Re: Digest Number 35

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Hi Group:

My daughter's fiancé has " thrush " the Dr's. diagnoses. He also has

diarrhea frequently, especially after he eats. He was a Marine in

Desert Storm and I'm wondering if this has anything to do with his

present condition. Also, where do you think the thrush is coming from?

His Dr. said from glasses at restaurants. That they aren't not really

as clean as we think. Could this be?

Another worry I have is that my daughter has been dating him for two

years and right after she started to date him, she began having acne

extremely bad. She is 22 and finally went on Minocin. Could it be that

he has passed something on to her?

Worried Mother

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At 21:21 04.05.99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " Judy C. Lynch " <jlynch200@...>

>

>Hi Group:

>

>My daughter's fiancé has " thrush " the Dr's. diagnoses. He also has

>diarrhea frequently, especially after he eats. He was a Marine in

>Desert Storm and I'm wondering if this has anything to do with his

>present condition. Also, where do you think the thrush is coming from?

>His Dr. said from glasses at restaurants. That they aren't not really

>as clean as we think. Could this be?

>

>Another worry I have is that my daughter has been dating him for two

>years and right after she started to date him, she began having acne

>extremely bad. She is 22 and finally went on Minocin. Could it be that

>he has passed something on to her?

>

>Worried Mother

Hello Judy,

Thrush is often caused by overconsumption of antibiotics, and sugar.

Elevated glucose levels may in particular encourage the growth of Candida

albicans, the causative agent in thrush, and oral C. albicans counts have

been reported to be higher in diabetics than nondiabetics.

To get rid of Candida Albicans, whole program may be needed:

parasite cleasning, diet, yeast killing herbs, cleansing, dental cleansing

(amalgam)

Follow this program:

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/candida.html

Acne are symptom of poor digestion, nutritional deficiency and internal

pollution.

Those may be caused by consumption of toxins, exposure to toxins, by poor

diet, poor lifestyle quality, candidiasis, ...

Parasites can also cause poor digestion, nutritional deficiency and

internal pollution.

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/acne.html

Dusan

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If you are interested in my help to eliminate the Thrush, Candidiasis, and other

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Judy C. Lynch wrote:

> From: " Judy C. Lynch " <jlynch200@...>

>

> Hi Group:

>

> My daughter's fiancé has " thrush " the Dr's. diagnoses. He also has

> diarrhea frequently, especially after he eats. He was a Marine in

> Desert Storm and I'm wondering if this has anything to do with his

> present condition. Also, where do you think the thrush is coming from?

> His Dr. said from glasses at restaurants. That they aren't not really

> as clean as we think. Could this be?

>

> Another worry I have is that my daughter has been dating him for two

> years and right after she started to date him, she began having acne

> extremely bad. She is 22 and finally went on Minocin. Could it be that

> he has passed something on to her?

>

> Worried Mother

>

> candidiasisonelist wrote:

> >

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> > Built Tough, Built Cool! Full of Features! Electro Luminescent, Alarm

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[Guest guest]

Hello

Could you pass along recipes for soap rocks to me, too.

Thanks

G N Glyn

>Message: 2

> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:10:31 -0000

> From: " joanne russell " <accudata@...>

>Subject: need recipe for soap crystals or soap rocks

>

>New to soap making and I am looking for a recipe for soap rocks or soap

>crystals. (Are they easy to do?) Please e-mail with instructions. Any

>help is appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Me too, please!--------Livia:o)

need recipe for soap crystals or soap rocks

>>

>>New to soap making and I am looking for a recipe for soap rocks or soap

>>crystals. (Are they easy to do?) Please e-mail with instructions. Any

>>help is appreciated.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/99 5:09:49 PM Central Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< Where's everybody from?

>>

LISA MITCHELL/COZY MOON/TULSA OK

[Guest guest]

Hi, from Greenwood, SC

Digest Number 35

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[Guest guest]

You should probably have it checked out by either your primary care

provider or a dermatologist. This is commonly seen at the area where the

interferon is injected, and may stay red, due to sensitivity to the

irritants in the injection, but, it usually subsides. I have seen these

last throughout the entire course of treatment. They are medium in size,

usually do not hurt, may feel warmer to the touch, may itch at times,

but are usually only mildly pink to red in color. These are usually seen

around the site of injection, but I have seen some people get them in

other places.

Just to make sure it is not a cellulitis, or from something else,

since the combo therapy can make you more immunocompromised, eg: you may

get different problems because your body is under medication and you

have a virus affecting the liver where most everything can pass through,

it should be checked out. If for no other reason, since you were

concerned enough to ask about it, it should be looked to for peace of

mind. Marty

[Guest guest]

> As I was saying to Lachlan 'off list' I think that lack of protein can

> sometimes produce ES-like symptoms. Protein powder - soya-based is

> good. Interesitng that so many on this list are veg....makes you

> wonder...

The human body only needs 8-12 percent protein each day!!

Animal protein is NOT good for the human body.

We're made to digest vegetable protein... spinach and other dark leafy

greens. They have MORE protein than meat and it's highly digestible!

Most people overdo the protein which puts a terrible burden on the liver and

kidneys and leads to all sorts of health challenges!

Jan

[Guest guest]

I agree about the load to liver and kidneys - I always make sure I drink

more peppermein or kidney tea after taking extra protein. However, most

people probably don't need it as they drive everywhere. I don't have a

car currently and walk everywhere, which is a lot of exercise

somewtimes. I just find I feel a lot better with a protein top-up.

Re: Digest Number 35

> As I was saying to Lachlan 'off list' I think that lack of protein can

> sometimes produce ES-like symptoms. Protein powder - soya-based is

> good. Interesitng that so many on this list are veg....makes you

> wonder...

The human body only needs 8-12 percent protein each day!! Animal protein

is NOT good for the human body. We're made to digest vegetable

protein... spinach and other dark leafy greens. They have MORE protein

than meat and it's highly digestible!

Most people overdo the protein which puts a terrible burden on the liver

and kidneys and leads to all sorts of health challenges!

Jan

[Guest guest]

The problem is quite a few ES' and other health troubled individuals have

problems digesting vegetable proteins and fats and need animal proteins.

Nikolaj

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Nikolaj Holtermann,

cand. scient., sundhedskonsulent

Re: Digest Number 35

> As I was saying to Lachlan 'off list' I think that lack of protein can

> sometimes produce ES-like symptoms. Protein powder - soya-based is

> good. Interesitng that so many on this list are veg....makes you

> wonder...

The human body only needs 8-12 percent protein each day!!

Animal protein is NOT good for the human body.

We're made to digest vegetable protein... spinach and other dark leafy

greens. They have MORE protein than meat and it's highly digestible!

Most people overdo the protein which puts a terrible burden on the liver and

kidneys and leads to all sorts of health challenges!

Jan

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[Guest guest]

Colourbleu-

I was started on tetracycline end of September 2004

and did 3 months of that-- big herx at beginning and

less overall inflammatory pain but little improvement

in brain fog and fatigue-- and four IV's of colloidial

silver which improved my energy somewhat. I found the

Wheldon protocal and my doctor agreed that it was

worth adding so switched to doxy and zithro at the end

of January, starting with one flagyl at end of first

week. As I noted, through February I found that trying

to wait the three week interval to pulse the Flagyl

resulted in worsening, and weekly pulses for about

three days seems to work well for now.

I've also had yeast problems along with everything,

but my doc is prescribing 1-2 tabs of fluconozole each

week to manage it, and I'm using Threelac nightly

which seems a pretty strong anti-yeast and (I think)

anti-chlamydial effect in the gut. Neither the Flagyl

nor the Abx appear to be worsening candida symptoms

with this regime. Allergies and chemical sensitivities

are worse when herxing, but not apparently related to

the drugs themselves. I'm betting (hoping?) that the

constant Cpn load over the years is part of the

allergy/chemical sensitivity problems. We shall see.

Something which Wheldon comments on that I find true

in my experience: that the combination of abx clearly

has a bacteriocidal effect, not just bacteriostatic,

as I get clear herx about one and a half hours after I

take the zithro (once a day) with the 2nd doxy dose.

The flagyl clearly is killing stuff also, and I'm

guessing that it is reduction of the intracellular

form of Cpn, so taxing on the cellular energy

supplies, which is the reason I get energy bursts in

the first day or two of pulsing the flagyl. Then the

herx builds up and I feel more toxic. Or maybe it's

just the effect of the flagyl itself building up-- I

can't imagine more than 5 days on the stuff!

I'll try to get out and pick up some of the charcoal

again to see if this helps-- I don't think I did

enough of it previously-- and will add niacin to try

and get at that middle stage of Cpn form. It's curious

that Wheldon doesn't mention this stage although it's

layed out clearly in the Stratton patent description.

When I get the time I'll email him and ask about it. I

also want to ask him why he prefers the doxycycline as

Stratton seems to prefer either Minocycline or

Levaquan for the main abx combo's. It may have to do

more with Wheldon gearing the protocal at MS rather

than other forms of Cpn involvement.

I take it that you are treating for Cpn also?

Incidently, my daughter is being treated for Lyme's

(only two bands were positive on the Western Blot, but

both were Lymes specific) with a similar protocal:

double abx with a 10 day flagyl pulse at the end of

each month, and switching from doxy/zith to

doxy/biaxin at month two, then back to doxy/zith for

month three. So far she's gotten worse, not better, so

either it's not Lymes or it's not the right treatment

for her.

Jim

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 33

> I am also told by Wheldon that ALA and Acetyl

L-Carnitine are also of

> great value.

> Jim please keep me informed as to how you go. How

long have you > been on

> this protocol? Do you have any problems with fungi,

allergies as a

> result of the Flaygl?

> bleu

> Re: Message: 12 

> Colourbleu--

> Yes, I'm doing the Wheldon regime: doxycycline &

> zithromax continuously and Flagyl in pulsed doses.

> Wheldon suggests Flagyl for 5 days every three

weeks.

> I found that I improved so much on the Flagyl,

> although I could only tolerate it for 2-3 days, and

> would not feel as clear in between just on the

> doxy/zithro, that currently I'm doing the flagyl

for 3

> days every week. I probably will stretch this out

as i

> go to fit the protocal better, especially as my

read

> of Stratton is, as Wheldon notes very clearly, that

> the abx drive the Cpn into it's " stringent " form,

> which the Flagyl then kills.

>

> I have improved significantly on this protocal to

> date, and am very interested in adding whatever

> factors will get the Cpn at another of it's life

> phase's, hence my curiosity about niacin. More

reading

> to do first!

>

> Jim

[Guest guest]

I did cipro and biaxin in fairly large doses for 6 week cycles. This

was about 2000 after being ill for about 1.5 years. Since then I have

been much better, (and doing reletivly low doses of different abx,)

though I still have colon, left eye, and prostate issues. (the colon I

think is due to thyroid at the moment?). The other too are local

infections, The main bulk of the CPn is out. Thank god. I was doing

really well up until about 4 months ago after a trial of benicar, that

nearly sent me to my grave, I've been down for about 3 months, and am

just getting up again with the help of the B12, 6, folic acid, all

stemming from Stratton's ideas.

Please keep in touch with me, I want to see how you do with it. (I

suspect the Flaygl is one of the few abx that might get my localised

spots. I could not handle Flaygl when I tried it for more than about 4

days, but at that time I did not know about Stratton and pulsing it. It

gave me serious Candida and allergies so much so that I could not

breath through my nose.

Bleu

>

> Colourbleu-

> I was started on tetracycline end of September 2004

> and did 3 months of that-- big herx at beginning and

> less overall inflammatory pain but little improvement

> in brain fog and fatigue-- and four IV's of colloidial

> silver which improved my energy somewhat. I found the

> Wheldon protocal and my doctor agreed that it was

> worth adding so switched to doxy and zithro at the end

> of January, starting with one flagyl at end of first

> week. As I noted, through February I found that trying

> to wait the three week interval to pulse the Flagyl

> resulted in worsening, and weekly pulses for about

> three days seems to work well for now.

>

> I've also had yeast problems along with everything,

> but my doc is prescribing 1-2 tabs of fluconozole each

> week to manage it, and I'm using Threelac nightly

> which seems a pretty strong anti-yeast and (I think)

> anti-chlamydial effect in the gut. Neither the Flagyl

> nor the Abx appear to be worsening candida symptoms

> with this regime. Allergies and chemical sensitivities

> are worse when herxing, but not apparently related to

> the drugs themselves. I'm betting (hoping?) that the

> constant Cpn load over the years is part of the

> allergy/chemical sensitivity problems. We shall see.

>

> Something which Wheldon comments on that I find true

> in my experience: that the combination of abx clearly

> has a bacteriocidal effect, not just bacteriostatic,

> as I get clear herx about one and a half hours after I

> take the zithro (once a day) with the 2nd doxy dose.

> The flagyl clearly is killing stuff also, and I'm

> guessing that it is reduction of the intracellular

> form of Cpn, so taxing on the cellular energy

> supplies, which is the reason I get energy bursts in

> the first day or two of pulsing the flagyl. Then the

> herx builds up and I feel more toxic. Or maybe it's

> just the effect of the flagyl itself building up-- I

> can't imagine more than 5 days on the stuff!

>

> I'll try to get out and pick up some of the charcoal

> again to see if this helps-- I don't think I did

> enough of it previously-- and will add niacin to try

> and get at that middle stage of Cpn form. It's curious

> that Wheldon doesn't mention this stage although it's

> layed out clearly in the Stratton patent description.

> When I get the time I'll email him and ask about it. I

> also want to ask him why he prefers the doxycycline as

> Stratton seems to prefer either Minocycline or

> Levaquan for the main abx combo's. It may have to do

> more with Wheldon gearing the protocal at MS rather

> than other forms of Cpn involvement.

>

> I take it that you are treating for Cpn also?

>

> Incidently, my daughter is being treated for Lyme's

> (only two bands were positive on the Western Blot, but

> both were Lymes specific) with a similar protocal:

> double abx with a 10 day flagyl pulse at the end of

> each month, and switching from doxy/zith to

> doxy/biaxin at month two, then back to doxy/zith for

> month three. So far she's gotten worse, not better, so

> either it's not Lymes or it's not the right treatment

> for her.

> Jim

>

>> Subject: Re: Digest Number 33

>

>> I am also told by Wheldon that ALA and Acetyl

> L-Carnitine are also of

>> great value.

>

>> Jim please keep me informed as to how you go. How

> long have you > been on

>> this protocol? Do you have any problems with fungi,

> allergies as a

>> result of the Flaygl?

>

>> bleu

>

>> Re: Message: 12 

>> Colourbleu--

>> Yes, I'm doing the Wheldon regime: doxycycline &

>> zithromax continuously and Flagyl in pulsed doses.

>> Wheldon suggests Flagyl for 5 days every three

> weeks.

>> I found that I improved so much on the Flagyl,

>> although I could only tolerate it for 2-3 days, and

>> would not feel as clear in between just on the

>> doxy/zithro, that currently I'm doing the flagyl

> for 3

>> days every week. I probably will stretch this out

> as i

>> go to fit the protocal better, especially as my

> read

>> of Stratton is, as Wheldon notes very clearly, that

>> the abx drive the Cpn into it's " stringent " form,

>> which the Flagyl then kills.

>>

>> I have improved significantly on this protocal to

>> date, and am very interested in adding whatever

>> factors will get the Cpn at another of it's life

>> phase's, hence my curiosity about niacin. More

> reading

>> to do first!

>>

>> Jim

>

>

>

>

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