Natto, treats ISAC, inhibits ACE

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Nattokinase is becoming an increasingly popular enzyme to treat ISAC

(hypercoagulation) which has been found in 90% of those Dx with CFS

and lyme; it has also been found in other long term illnesses that

have been linked with chronic infections. Natto can also have a BP

lowering effect in those who have high BP because it also inhibits

ACE which is responsible for the conversion from angiotensin I to

angiotensin II. Could this be why natto's popularity is increasing

through treating both these problems at the same time?

We know that benicar in normal doses effects the HPA axis in a way

that makes it possibly unsuitable for those who are already having

problems. There have been numerous other problems reported too, this

has resulted in supplementation being needed to restore essential

levels of vit D, the b vits including B12, folic acid and B6 There

have been other problems for some who have started the MP but have

had to drop out. I have yet to read of any of these problems

occurring through the use of natto.

Perhaps those who are good at looking up the research data and

scientific papers could look into this. Maybe be this is one of the

safer alternatives than could be used to achieve some of the benefits

the MP claims to achieve without the diufficulties it seems to be

causing 50% who go onto it.

I am not sure how this would fit in with the inflammatory cytokine

TNF-alpha theory but not everyone benefits from reducing vit D, many

with CFS are struggling as a result of reducing it.

Here are a couple of commercial sites whose info includes this Ace

inhibiting action in Natto. It would appear that Natto can in theory

at least treat both ISAC and the problems with raised levels of ACE

leading to higher levels of angiotensin II.

http://www.buynattokinase.com/natto1P.html

http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/health_nattokinase.html

Cheers, Tansy

[Guest guest]

I am having my best day yet following my downfall and am on high doses

of B12.

Agent Bleu

How many others have had problems with B12? Are other reporting anaemia?

Researchers at the University of Milan now report that a vitamin B12

deficiency is associated with higher levels of the inflammatory

cytokine, tumour necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) and reduced levels

of epidermal growth factor (EGF). It is believed that high levels of

TNF-alpha speed up the progression of Alzheimer's disease thus

explaining the association between low vitamin B12 levels and

Alzheimer's. The researchers point out that the increase in TNF-alpha

and the decrease in EGF can both be reversed by vitamin B12

supplementation. TNF-alpha is also implicated in the progression of HIV

to AIDS and vitamin B12 has been found to slow this progression.

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> Nattokinase is becoming an increasingly  popular enzyme to treat ISAC

> (hypercoagulation) which has been found in 90% of those Dx with CFS

> and lyme; it has also been found in other long term illnesses that

> have been linked with chronic infections. Natto can also have a BP

> lowering effect in those who have high BP because it also inhibits

> ACE which is responsible for the conversion from angiotensin I to

> angiotensin II. Could this be why natto's popularity is increasing

> through treating both these problems at the same time?

>

> We know that benicar in normal doses effects the HPA axis in a way

> that makes it possibly unsuitable for those who are already having

> problems. There have been numerous other problems reported too, this

> has resulted in supplementation being needed to restore essential

> levels of vit D, the b vits including B12, folic acid and B6 There

> have been other problems for some who have started the MP but have

> had to drop out. I have yet to read of any of these problems

> occurring through the use of natto.

>

> Perhaps those who are good at looking up the research data and

> scientific papers could look into this. Maybe be this is one of the

> safer alternatives than could be used to achieve some of the benefits

> the MP claims to achieve without the diufficulties it seems to be

> causing 50% who go onto it.

>

> I am not sure how this would fit in with the inflammatory cytokine

> TNF-alpha theory but not everyone benefits from reducing vit D, many

> with CFS are struggling as a result of reducing it.

>

> Here are a couple of commercial sites whose info includes this Ace

> inhibiting action in Natto. It would appear that Natto can in theory

> at least treat both ISAC and the problems with raised levels of ACE

> leading to higher levels of angiotensin II.

> http://www.buynattokinase.com/natto1P.html

> http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/health_nattokinase.html

>

> Cheers, Tansy

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[Guest guest]

Tansy, this is really interesting stuff to me. I have been using

NattoK for about 9 months in replacement of the heparin I had been

on for 3 years. It has seemed to keep my hypercoagulation at bay,

but I had also noticed improvement in a few symptoms that were still

holding on. I never thought that the NattoK may have been the

reason, but reading this about it being an ACE inhibitor, might be

what has done it. Thanks, exceiting news to me.

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> Nattokinase is becoming an increasingly popular enzyme to treat

ISAC

> (hypercoagulation) which has been found in 90% of those Dx with

CFS

> and lyme; it has also been found in other long term illnesses that

> have been linked with chronic infections. Natto can also have a BP

> lowering effect in those who have high BP because it also inhibits

> ACE which is responsible for the conversion from angiotensin I to

> angiotensin II. Could this be why natto's popularity is increasing

> through treating both these problems at the same time?

>

> We know that benicar in normal doses effects the HPA axis in a way

> that makes it possibly unsuitable for those who are already having

> problems. There have been numerous other problems reported too,

this

> has resulted in supplementation being needed to restore essential

> levels of vit D, the b vits including B12, folic acid and B6 There

> have been other problems for some who have started the MP but have

> had to drop out. I have yet to read of any of these problems

> occurring through the use of natto.

>

> Perhaps those who are good at looking up the research data and

> scientific papers could look into this. Maybe be this is one of

the

> safer alternatives than could be used to achieve some of the

benefits

> the MP claims to achieve without the diufficulties it seems to be

> causing 50% who go onto it.

>

> I am not sure how this would fit in with the inflammatory cytokine

> TNF-alpha theory but not everyone benefits from reducing vit D,

many

> with CFS are struggling as a result of reducing it.

>

> Here are a couple of commercial sites whose info includes this Ace

> inhibiting action in Natto. It would appear that Natto can in

theory

> at least treat both ISAC and the problems with raised levels of

ACE

> leading to higher levels of angiotensin II.

> http://www.buynattokinase.com/natto1P.html

> http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/health_nattokinase.html

>

> Cheers, Tansy