Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 yes jill we also deal with that ,it started about a year before he was diagnosed with esld.we thought it was from his blood pressure turns out the bp. was from a bigger source his liver, it seems to affect alot of things.its more frusterating to him than me i suppose but concerns us both, dr. didnt seem to concerned about it when we told him, so we just wait for the special moments to happen.anybody else???? so no babe your not alone thanks for having the courage to broach the subject,love barby > > I have a very delicate question.......but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. > > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 I think too that it's more frustrating for Ed than me. We're like you.....we take tose moments when we can. : ) Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissupport Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:33 AM yes jill we also deal with that ,it started about a year before he was diagnosed with esld.we thought it was from his blood pressure turns out the bp. was from a bigger source his liver, it seems to affect alot of things.its more frusterating to him than me i suppose but concerns us both, dr. didnt seem to concerned about it when we told him, so we just wait for the special moments to happen.anybody else???? so no babe your not alone thanks for having the courage to broach the subject,love barby > > I have a very delicate question.... ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. > > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ________________________________ To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question..... ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Ed keeps saying he wants viagra...but his hepatologist wants to keep his heart rate down to help with his varices.etc. So Ed asks can he take viagra or not! I don't know. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissupport Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 that is what i figured ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:44:58 AM Subject: Re: delicate question Ed keeps saying he wants viagra...but his hepatologist wants to keep his heart rate down to help with his varices.etc. So Ed asks can he take viagra or not! I don't know. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 This is just no fun,is it? Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 nope its not girls, only good thing is i now know for sure its just not me lol, for the longest i secretly thought .b.g. wasnt attracted to me anymore, and i was hurt i wont lie, then i would pass a mirror and really look at myself and wonder, then me being me would think ,heck no i am HOT lol lol lol,but until we got the diagnosis it did make me wonder, matbe now thats its out in the open someone can help with this situation,love barby > > From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: delicate question > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM > > this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> > To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM > Subject: delicate question > > I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Thanks,Barby....I guess I just tend to blurt out questions!! Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissupport Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:06 AM nope its not girls, only good thing is i now know for sure its just not me lol, for the longest i secretly thought .b.g. wasnt attracted to me anymore, and i was hurt i wont lie, then i would pass a mirror and really look at myself and wonder, then me being me would think ,heck no i am HOT lol lol lol,but until we got the diagnosis it did make me wonder, matbe now thats its out in the open someone can help with this situation,love barby > > From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: delicate question > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM > > this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> > To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM > Subject: delicate question > > I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 No, you're not alone. We also have had to deal with that. We have found nothing that really works. We have had to become " creative " in order to deal with the issue. As Terry has gotten sicker, even the " creative " methods have pretty much fallen to the wayside. He just simply does not have the energy anymore. Also, he has developed the condition where men develop breasts and it is totally demeaning to him to have to deal with the ED, plus the breasts and low energy. It all combines to make for an unsurmountable inability for him. Sorry, I know that's not very encouraging, but it is the truth. Hugs.......... Diane delicate question I have a very delicate question.... ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Actually, Diane...it's encouraging to me to know that we are not alone in this. I'm so glad I found this forum. Thanks everybody!! Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissupport Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 12:38 PM No, you're not alone. We also have had to deal with that. We have found nothing that really works. We have had to become " creative " in order to deal with the issue. As Terry has gotten sicker, even the " creative " methods have pretty much fallen to the wayside. He just simply does not have the energy anymore. Also, he has developed the condition where men develop breasts and it is totally demeaning to him to have to deal with the ED, plus the breasts and low energy. It all combines to make for an unsurmountable inability for him. Sorry, I know that's not very encouraging, but it is the truth. Hugs........ .. Diane delicate question I have a very delicate question.... ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 thanks diane ,i guess us gals are all in this together huh, maybe the liver steals the blood thats headed to that region ? i dont know just a thought ,oh well its good to know its just not in my house that this is happening in, makes it easier to say we can handle this honey, its just part of the process. well a happy halloween to you girly are you ready for the ghosts and goblins teehee, much love barby > > > Subject: Re: delicate question > To: livercirrhosissupport > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 12:38 PM > > > > > > > No, you're not alone. We also have had to deal with that. We have found nothing that really works. We have had to become " creative " in order to deal with the issue. As Terry has gotten sicker, even the " creative " methods have pretty much fallen to the wayside. He just simply does not have the energy anymore. Also, he has developed the condition where men develop breasts and it is totally demeaning to him to have to deal with the ED, plus the breasts and low energy. It all combines to make for an unsurmountable inability for him. Sorry, I know that's not very encouraging, but it is the truth. > > Hugs........ .. > Diane > > delicate question > > I have a very delicate question.... ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Ain't it the truth, Jill?! Every time I feel low or alone, I jump on and read the posts and realize I am so NOT alone. Unfortunately, there are just way too many of us going through this together. I'm sorry you're all suffering, but I'm sure glad we all found each other through this incredible group! Hugs.......... Diane delicate question I have a very delicate question.... ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yep, we are definitely all in this together! We don't have too many Trick or Treaters, we live off the beaten path! I am prepared though, just in case. I LOVE seeing all the kids in their little costumes. BTW, did I tell everyone that we have two new babies? We have 2 new Alaskan Malamute puppies!!!! They came to live with us on this past Tuesday. We have a female, Mischa, and a male, Klinket. They are 6 months old and precious! I'll post a couple of pics in my album so you can get a look at them. They are the light of our life right now! It has been so much fun having them around. It has done wonders for both of us! Hugs........................ Diane delicate question > > I have a very delicate question.... ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Rats......have to be more creative! Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yep, we've done things since the cirrhosis diagnosis we never tried when we were younger!!!! LOL!!!! Gotta admit, it had it's advantages! Hugs............. Diane delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 the pups are beautiful and i like the pheasant too i made a pair stain glass windows once of pheasants for my father...my husband is a German shep lover.i will send a pic of his dog to you soon. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:37:20 PM Subject: Re: delicate question Yep, we've done things since the cirrhosis diagnosis we never tried when we were younger!!!! LOL!!!! Gotta admit, it had it's advantages! Hugs......... ..... Diane delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Thanks . We love them! Hugs......... Diane delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Jill, I am very worried about this hepatologist. I would never impune the reputation of a learned doctor who has been all the way through college and then to medical school, and is now a specialist of the liver. But he seems to have things backward. Bear with me , ok. Viagra works by dilating the blood vessels in the body. It turns into nitric oxide, and causes a systemic vasodilation. When the blood vessels are dilated, the blood pressure goes DOWN. The viagra commercial says use with caution if you are on nitrates for heart problems, because low blood pressure can result. LOW BLOOD PRESSURE!!!! The beta blockers given to cirrhosis patients are to lower the overall blood pressure. Viagra does not increase the heart rate. Sex can elevate the heart rate, but viagra would lower the over all blood pressure even more, so sex with viagra would be safer for a cirrhotic than sex with out Viagra. Nitro glycerin is given to heart attack victims because it turns into nitric oxide. It will dilate blood vessels, and possibly save the victims life. If you are man sitting in an ambulance that was called because you think you are having an heart attack, the paramedic will spray nitro glycerin under your tongue. You will get two things. A frontal headache, often referred to as a nitro headache, and you will get a woody. At least it did for me. http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/chest-pain-nitro-oxygen-questions-art-138675.html Sandy , this is an area where you could help us greatly. Please can you ask or say if what I am saying is off base? My pulmonoligist says I have too much nitric oxide in my blood, and it is causing an overall ABG shunt fraction of 15 to 20%. I have never heard that viagra is contraindicated for a liver patient. Unless a person is on a transplant list where using it without permission could get you de-listed, I would seek a doctor to prescribe this drug. We are humans, and our needs in life include the need for food, shelter, clothes, love, sex, and well being. There is no reason why a couple has to lose such an important part of their life when there is medical intervention that can help improve life. An interesting note, I have the big breasts, and it is humiliating, but the ED is not a problem, priaprasm is, however. Unwanted and painful erections. My wife is very ill, and not able or willing to participate as often as this problem occurs. I also suffer from nitro headaches, and shortness of breath. http://www.medhelp.org/forums/cardio/archive/6077.html I urge all who have this problem to look further in to the solution. Remember, the treatment for varicies is to band them and lower the blood pressure by administring a beta blocker, like spironolactone. Viagra will not increase the blood pressure, it will further lower it. If there is a danger, it would be because of the drug interaction between a beta blocker and viagra. If the patient does not have large varicies, and is not on a beta blocker, there should be no reason why a patient could not safely use viagra unless some other problem exists. Love, Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:44:58 AM Subject: Re: delicate question Ed keeps saying he wants viagra...but his hepatologist wants to keep his heart rate down to help with his varices.etc. So Ed asks can he take viagra or not! I don't know. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 cant answer fully but from what i have learned is Viagra does lower BP ....nitroglycerin is more specific to heart muscles were as Viagra is prob acts most on systemic vessels...(i will recheck with other sources) i suspect that because of your existing conditions such as pulmonary hypertension renal problems i feel that the nitric is not being " blowed off or wasted " by your body. my husbands pcp asked him if he wanted viagra we do not take any thing that is not approved by the GI doc or hepatologist doc. any ways i will ask the Hep doc when we see him too my husband does have large varices and pulmonary hypertension gynecomastia...we make love every day by touch... playing... being with each other talking...we have been in love for 30 yrs. i feel like this ....he is ok cause the hormone issues makes him and other not want it...not that they want it but cant they just have no desire which is different then not having the ability too...... did i help ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:56:37 PM Subject: Re: delicate question Jill, I am very worried about this hepatologist. I would never impune the reputation of a learned doctor who has been all the way through college and then to medical school, and is now a specialist of the liver. But he seems to have things backward. Bear with me , ok. Viagra works by dilating the blood vessels in the body. It turns into nitric oxide, and causes a systemic vasodilation. When the blood vessels are dilated, the blood pressure goes DOWN. The viagra commercial says use with caution if you are on nitrates for heart problems, because low blood pressure can result. LOW BLOOD PRESSURE!!!! The beta blockers given to cirrhosis patients are to lower the overall blood pressure. Viagra does not increase the heart rate. Sex can elevate the heart rate, but viagra would lower the over all blood pressure even more, so sex with viagra would be safer for a cirrhotic than sex with out Viagra. Nitro glycerin is given to heart attack victims because it turns into nitric oxide. It will dilate blood vessels, and possibly save the victims life. If you are man sitting in an ambulance that was called because you think you are having an heart attack, the paramedic will spray nitro glycerin under your tongue. You will get two things. A frontal headache, often referred to as a nitro headache, and you will get a woody. At least it did for me. http://allnurses. com/forums/ f8/chest- pain-nitro- oxygen-questions -art-138675. html Sandy , this is an area where you could help us greatly. Please can you ask or say if what I am saying is off base? My pulmonoligist says I have too much nitric oxide in my blood, and it is causing an overall ABG shunt fraction of 15 to 20%. I have never heard that viagra is contraindicated for a liver patient. Unless a person is on a transplant list where using it without permission could get you de-listed, I would seek a doctor to prescribe this drug. We are humans, and our needs in life include the need for food, shelter, clothes, love, sex, and well being. There is no reason why a couple has to lose such an important part of their life when there is medical intervention that can help improve life. An interesting note, I have the big breasts, and it is humiliating, but the ED is not a problem, priaprasm is, however. Unwanted and painful erections. My wife is very ill, and not able or willing to participate as often as this problem occurs. I also suffer from nitro headaches, and shortness of breath. http://www.medhelp. org/forums/ cardio/archive/ 6077.html I urge all who have this problem to look further in to the solution. Remember, the treatment for varicies is to band them and lower the blood pressure by administring a beta blocker, like spironolactone. Viagra will not increase the blood pressure, it will further lower it. If there is a danger, it would be because of the drug interaction between a beta blocker and viagra. If the patient does not have large varicies, and is not on a beta blocker, there should be no reason why a patient could not safely use viagra unless some other problem exists. Love, Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:44:58 AM Subject: Re: delicate question Ed keeps saying he wants viagra...but his hepatologist wants to keep his heart rate down to help with his varices.etc. So Ed asks can he take viagra or not! I don't know. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 have you been told lately that you are awesome and very smart...well you are ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 1:14:12 AM Subject: Re: delicate question cant answer fully but from what i have learned is Viagra does lower BP ....nitroglycerin is more specific to heart muscles were as Viagra is prob acts most on systemic vessels...(i will recheck with other sources) i suspect that because of your existing conditions such as pulmonary hypertension renal problems i feel that the nitric is not being " blowed off or wasted " by your body. my husbands pcp asked him if he wanted viagra we do not take any thing that is not approved by the GI doc or hepatologist doc. any ways i will ask the Hep doc when we see him too my husband does have large varices and pulmonary hypertension gynecomastia. ...we make love every day by touch... playing... being with each other talking...we have been in love for 30 yrs. i feel like this ....he is ok cause the hormone issues makes him and other not want it...not that they want it but cant they just have no desire which is different then not having the ability too...... did i help ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:56:37 PM Subject: Re: delicate question Jill, I am very worried about this hepatologist. I would never impune the reputation of a learned doctor who has been all the way through college and then to medical school, and is now a specialist of the liver. But he seems to have things backward. Bear with me , ok. Viagra works by dilating the blood vessels in the body. It turns into nitric oxide, and causes a systemic vasodilation. When the blood vessels are dilated, the blood pressure goes DOWN. The viagra commercial says use with caution if you are on nitrates for heart problems, because low blood pressure can result. LOW BLOOD PRESSURE!!!! The beta blockers given to cirrhosis patients are to lower the overall blood pressure. Viagra does not increase the heart rate. Sex can elevate the heart rate, but viagra would lower the over all blood pressure even more, so sex with viagra would be safer for a cirrhotic than sex with out Viagra. Nitro glycerin is given to heart attack victims because it turns into nitric oxide. It will dilate blood vessels, and possibly save the victims life. If you are man sitting in an ambulance that was called because you think you are having an heart attack, the paramedic will spray nitro glycerin under your tongue. You will get two things. A frontal headache, often referred to as a nitro headache, and you will get a woody. At least it did for me. http://allnurses. com/forums/ f8/chest- pain-nitro- oxygen-questions -art-138675. html Sandy , this is an area where you could help us greatly. Please can you ask or say if what I am saying is off base? My pulmonoligist says I have too much nitric oxide in my blood, and it is causing an overall ABG shunt fraction of 15 to 20%. I have never heard that viagra is contraindicated for a liver patient. Unless a person is on a transplant list where using it without permission could get you de-listed, I would seek a doctor to prescribe this drug. We are humans, and our needs in life include the need for food, shelter, clothes, love, sex, and well being. There is no reason why a couple has to lose such an important part of their life when there is medical intervention that can help improve life. An interesting note, I have the big breasts, and it is humiliating, but the ED is not a problem, priaprasm is, however. Unwanted and painful erections. My wife is very ill, and not able or willing to participate as often as this problem occurs. I also suffer from nitro headaches, and shortness of breath. http://www.medhelp. org/forums/ cardio/archive/ 6077.html I urge all who have this problem to look further in to the solution. Remember, the treatment for varicies is to band them and lower the blood pressure by administring a beta blocker, like spironolactone. Viagra will not increase the blood pressure, it will further lower it. If there is a danger, it would be because of the drug interaction between a beta blocker and viagra. If the patient does not have large varicies, and is not on a beta blocker, there should be no reason why a patient could not safely use viagra unless some other problem exists. Love, Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:44:58 AM Subject: Re: delicate question Ed keeps saying he wants viagra...but his hepatologist wants to keep his heart rate down to help with his varices.etc. So Ed asks can he take viagra or not! I don't know. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Yes. Love, Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:14:12 PM Subject: Re: delicate question cant answer fully but from what i have learned is Viagra does lower BP ....nitroglycerin is more specific to heart muscles were as Viagra is prob acts most on systemic vessels...(i will recheck with other sources) i suspect that because of your existing conditions such as pulmonary hypertension renal problems i feel that the nitric is not being " blowed off or wasted " by your body. my husbands pcp asked him if he wanted viagra we do not take any thing that is not approved by the GI doc or hepatologist doc. any ways i will ask the Hep doc when we see him too my husband does have large varices and pulmonary hypertension gynecomastia. ...we make love every day by touch... playing... being with each other talking...we have been in love for 30 yrs. i feel like this ....he is ok cause the hormone issues makes him and other not want it...not that they want it but cant they just have no desire which is different then not having the ability too...... did i help ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:56:37 PM Subject: Re: delicate question Jill, I am very worried about this hepatologist. I would never impune the reputation of a learned doctor who has been all the way through college and then to medical school, and is now a specialist of the liver. But he seems to have things backward. Bear with me , ok. Viagra works by dilating the blood vessels in the body. It turns into nitric oxide, and causes a systemic vasodilation. When the blood vessels are dilated, the blood pressure goes DOWN. The viagra commercial says use with caution if you are on nitrates for heart problems, because low blood pressure can result. LOW BLOOD PRESSURE!!!! The beta blockers given to cirrhosis patients are to lower the overall blood pressure. Viagra does not increase the heart rate. Sex can elevate the heart rate, but viagra would lower the over all blood pressure even more, so sex with viagra would be safer for a cirrhotic than sex with out Viagra. Nitro glycerin is given to heart attack victims because it turns into nitric oxide. It will dilate blood vessels, and possibly save the victims life. If you are man sitting in an ambulance that was called because you think you are having an heart attack, the paramedic will spray nitro glycerin under your tongue. You will get two things. A frontal headache, often referred to as a nitro headache, and you will get a woody. At least it did for me. http://allnurses. com/forums/ f8/chest- pain-nitro- oxygen-questions -art-138675. html Sandy , this is an area where you could help us greatly. Please can you ask or say if what I am saying is off base? My pulmonoligist says I have too much nitric oxide in my blood, and it is causing an overall ABG shunt fraction of 15 to 20%. I have never heard that viagra is contraindicated for a liver patient. Unless a person is on a transplant list where using it without permission could get you de-listed, I would seek a doctor to prescribe this drug. We are humans, and our needs in life include the need for food, shelter, clothes, love, sex, and well being. There is no reason why a couple has to lose such an important part of their life when there is medical intervention that can help improve life. An interesting note, I have the big breasts, and it is humiliating, but the ED is not a problem, priaprasm is, however. Unwanted and painful erections. My wife is very ill, and not able or willing to participate as often as this problem occurs. I also suffer from nitro headaches, and shortness of breath. http://www.medhelp. org/forums/ cardio/archive/ 6077.html I urge all who have this problem to look further in to the solution. Remember, the treatment for varicies is to band them and lower the blood pressure by administring a beta blocker, like spironolactone. Viagra will not increase the blood pressure, it will further lower it. If there is a danger, it would be because of the drug interaction between a beta blocker and viagra. If the patient does not have large varicies, and is not on a beta blocker, there should be no reason why a patient could not safely use viagra unless some other problem exists. Love, Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:44:58 AM Subject: Re: delicate question Ed keeps saying he wants viagra...but his hepatologist wants to keep his heart rate down to help with his varices.etc. So Ed asks can he take viagra or not! I don't know. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 You helped. long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 12:54:36 AM Subject: Re: delicate question Yes. Love, Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:14:12 PM Subject: Re: delicate question cant answer fully but from what i have learned is Viagra does lower BP ....nitroglycerin is more specific to heart muscles were as Viagra is prob acts most on systemic vessels...(i will recheck with other sources) i suspect that because of your existing conditions such as pulmonary hypertension renal problems i feel that the nitric is not being " blowed off or wasted " by your body. my husbands pcp asked him if he wanted viagra we do not take any thing that is not approved by the GI doc or hepatologist doc. any ways i will ask the Hep doc when we see him too my husband does have large varices and pulmonary hypertension gynecomastia. ...we make love every day by touch... playing... being with each other talking...we have been in love for 30 yrs. i feel like this ....he is ok cause the hormone issues makes him and other not want it...not that they want it but cant they just have no desire which is different then not having the ability too...... did i help ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:56:37 PM Subject: Re: delicate question Jill, I am very worried about this hepatologist. I would never impune the reputation of a learned doctor who has been all the way through college and then to medical school, and is now a specialist of the liver. But he seems to have things backward. Bear with me , ok. Viagra works by dilating the blood vessels in the body. It turns into nitric oxide, and causes a systemic vasodilation. When the blood vessels are dilated, the blood pressure goes DOWN. The viagra commercial says use with caution if you are on nitrates for heart problems, because low blood pressure can result. LOW BLOOD PRESSURE!!!! The beta blockers given to cirrhosis patients are to lower the overall blood pressure. Viagra does not increase the heart rate. Sex can elevate the heart rate, but viagra would lower the over all blood pressure even more, so sex with viagra would be safer for a cirrhotic than sex with out Viagra. Nitro glycerin is given to heart attack victims because it turns into nitric oxide. It will dilate blood vessels, and possibly save the victims life. If you are man sitting in an ambulance that was called because you think you are having an heart attack, the paramedic will spray nitro glycerin under your tongue. You will get two things. A frontal headache, often referred to as a nitro headache, and you will get a woody. At least it did for me. http://allnurses. com/forums/ f8/chest- pain-nitro- oxygen-questions -art-138675. html Sandy , this is an area where you could help us greatly. Please can you ask or say if what I am saying is off base? My pulmonoligist says I have too much nitric oxide in my blood, and it is causing an overall ABG shunt fraction of 15 to 20%. I have never heard that viagra is contraindicated for a liver patient. Unless a person is on a transplant list where using it without permission could get you de-listed, I would seek a doctor to prescribe this drug. We are humans, and our needs in life include the need for food, shelter, clothes, love, sex, and well being. There is no reason why a couple has to lose such an important part of their life when there is medical intervention that can help improve life. An interesting note, I have the big breasts, and it is humiliating, but the ED is not a problem, priaprasm is, however. Unwanted and painful erections. My wife is very ill, and not able or willing to participate as often as this problem occurs. I also suffer from nitro headaches, and shortness of breath. http://www.medhelp. org/forums/ cardio/archive/ 6077.html I urge all who have this problem to look further in to the solution. Remember, the treatment for varicies is to band them and lower the blood pressure by administring a beta blocker, like spironolactone. Viagra will not increase the blood pressure, it will further lower it. If there is a danger, it would be because of the drug interaction between a beta blocker and viagra. If the patient does not have large varicies, and is not on a beta blocker, there should be no reason why a patient could not safely use viagra unless some other problem exists. Love, Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:44:58 AM Subject: Re: delicate question Ed keeps saying he wants viagra...but his hepatologist wants to keep his heart rate down to help with his varices.etc. So Ed asks can he take viagra or not! I don't know. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ...but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 what if any thing do you take to lower the NO concentration...how does the doc treat this condition? ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 2:55:27 AM Subject: Re: delicate question You helped. long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 12:54:36 AM Subject: Re: delicate question Yes. Love, Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:14:12 PM Subject: Re: delicate question cant answer fully but from what i have learned is Viagra does lower BP ....nitroglycerin is more specific to heart muscles were as Viagra is prob acts most on systemic vessels...(i will recheck with other sources) i suspect that because of your existing conditions such as pulmonary hypertension renal problems i feel that the nitric is not being " blowed off or wasted " by your body. my husbands pcp asked him if he wanted viagra we do not take any thing that is not approved by the GI doc or hepatologist doc. any ways i will ask the Hep doc when we see him too my husband does have large varices and pulmonary hypertension gynecomastia. ..we make love every day by touch... playing... being with each other talking...we have been in love for 30 yrs. i feel like this ....he is ok cause the hormone issues makes him and other not want it...not that they want it but cant they just have no desire which is different then not having the ability too...... did i help ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:56:37 PM Subject: Re: delicate question Jill, I am very worried about this hepatologist. I would never impune the reputation of a learned doctor who has been all the way through college and then to medical school, and is now a specialist of the liver. But he seems to have things backward. Bear with me , ok. Viagra works by dilating the blood vessels in the body. It turns into nitric oxide, and causes a systemic vasodilation. When the blood vessels are dilated, the blood pressure goes DOWN. The viagra commercial says use with caution if you are on nitrates for heart problems, because low blood pressure can result. LOW BLOOD PRESSURE!!!! The beta blockers given to cirrhosis patients are to lower the overall blood pressure. Viagra does not increase the heart rate. Sex can elevate the heart rate, but viagra would lower the over all blood pressure even more, so sex with viagra would be safer for a cirrhotic than sex with out Viagra. Nitro glycerin is given to heart attack victims because it turns into nitric oxide. It will dilate blood vessels, and possibly save the victims life. If you are man sitting in an ambulance that was called because you think you are having an heart attack, the paramedic will spray nitro glycerin under your tongue. You will get two things. A frontal headache, often referred to as a nitro headache, and you will get a woody. At least it did for me. http://allnurses. com/forums/ f8/chest- pain-nitro- oxygen-questions -art-138675. html Sandy , this is an area where you could help us greatly. Please can you ask or say if what I am saying is off base? My pulmonoligist says I have too much nitric oxide in my blood, and it is causing an overall ABG shunt fraction of 15 to 20%. I have never heard that viagra is contraindicated for a liver patient. Unless a person is on a transplant list where using it without permission could get you de-listed, I would seek a doctor to prescribe this drug. We are humans, and our needs in life include the need for food, shelter, clothes, love, sex, and well being. There is no reason why a couple has to lose such an important part of their life when there is medical intervention that can help improve life. An interesting note, I have the big breasts, and it is humiliating, but the ED is not a problem, priaprasm is, however. Unwanted and painful erections. My wife is very ill, and not able or willing to participate as often as this problem occurs. I also suffer from nitro headaches, and shortness of breath. http://www.medhelp. org/forums/ cardio/archive/ 6077.html I urge all who have this problem to look further in to the solution. Remember, the treatment for varicies is to band them and lower the blood pressure by administring a beta blocker, like spironolactone. Viagra will not increase the blood pressure, it will further lower it. If there is a danger, it would be because of the drug interaction between a beta blocker and viagra. If the patient does not have large varicies, and is not on a beta blocker, there should be no reason why a patient could not safely use viagra unless some other problem exists. Love, Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:44:58 AM Subject: Re: delicate question Ed keeps saying he wants viagra...but his hepatologist wants to keep his heart rate down to help with his varices.etc. So Ed asks can he take viagra or not! I don't know. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. From: sandra <sgonz48yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: delicate question To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:40 AM this is amazing that we should both post the same question at the same time.....i was vague but i am asking what you ask...and should one take a supplement ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: Cirrhosis forum <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) . com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:22:55 AM Subject: delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ....but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 They said all they can do is moniter me. HPS is usally progressive and once it gets started it gets out of hand and usually won't resolve untill after a liver transplant. I don't know of you saw any of the recent pictures of Annika, but she has it so bad that her fingers are clubbed. The ends are like little light bulbs. Does your husband have any shortness of breath? Lov BObby aka rwe Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ....but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 yes he has shortness of breath...gets winded easy...he also does this funny catching of his breath more diaphragm related it seems i guessed it because of the enlarger liver and pancreas. send me the link to Annika i deleted all the past posting. thank you for you yours sandra ________________________________ To: Livercirrhosissupport <livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 5:27:48 AM Subject: Re: delicate question They said all they can do is moniter me. HPS is usally progressive and once it gets started it gets out of hand and usually won't resolve untill after a liver transplant.. I don't know of you saw any of the recent pictures of Annika, but she has it so bad that her fingers are clubbed. The ends are like little light bulbs. Does your husband have any shortness of breath? Lov BObby aka rwe Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile delicate question I have a very delicate question.... . ....but a real concern. Does anyone have to deal with ED because of cirrhosis? This has affected us alot. I just wonder if we're alone in this. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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