Re: mentioning animals and fish on the list

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I went back to the original e-mail that was responding to, when she asked us not to discuss eating animals and fish. I see that Ilanit is saying that she heard a recommendation to eat certain kinds of fish but that she was "put off" by it because the fish are so toxic.

For a vegan, this should be good to read, it seems to me. It is supportive of vegan choices: rejecting even the traditional macro consumption of fish on the grounds that fish are too loaded with heavy metals, PCB's and God knows what else. I think that the toxicity of animal foods is an excellent reason to be vegan. It's certainly my main reason. Saying it may influence other people to be vegan, too.

I know that certain subjects are painful, but it bothers me that someone can't say they are REJECTING fish consumption, and this is why, without running into resentment on the list. I'm not the moderator, and it's not my decision, but that kind of boundary feels too cramped to me.

Am I being unreasonable? A truthful answer is welcome, and I promise to keep an open mind.

Nina

-----Original Message-----From: VeganMacrobiotics [mailto:VeganMacrobiotics ]On Behalf Of Ilanit TofSent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:32 AMTo: VeganMacrobiotics Subject: Re: whole food yin and yang

#### Worth considering, though! I think it probably IS more balancing and life-giving to eat as much of the animal as possible, herman used to recommend small dried fish - they are alkalising or more so as you eat the bones and all.I have been put right off fish today after hearing about a toxin found only in reef fish that is resistant to heat, freezing and all treatment and can cause highly uncomfortable symptoms in people that can last years.I prefer tempeh anyway!

rather than just selected portions -- and it seems to me that has been the standard procedure in traditional, native cultures.yes - very Weston Price

even salt - is that a wholefood or is it only so if in the seawater itcame from etc?#### Another good point! It seems to me, if the salt is naturally dried, with no further processing, then it's at least a reasonably whole food -- because all that's been removed is pure water (unless you count the little ocean creatures in the water, which are not part of the salt)....check outwww.cea-life.com

[Guest guest]

Nina Moliver wrote:

Hi all,

I went back to the original e-mail that

was responding to, when she asked us not to discuss eating animals and

fish. I see that Ilanit is saying that she heard a recommendation to

eat certain kinds of fish but that she was "put off" by it because the

fish are so toxic.

I think I was commenting on something I saw on TV about a very

dangerous fish food poisoning toxin - Ciguatera which is nasty. I have

just been researching it today

then of course all the supposedly healthy fish - like salmon are farmed

and are not that often recemmended in mb - so that is out.

so there is nothing to worry about ebing a vegan mb person!

For a vegan, this should be good to read, it

seems to me.

yes

It is supportive of vegan choices: rejecting

even the traditional macro consumption of fish

it is all a personal choice. you can be vegan and be mb and can be non

vegan and be mb. there is no one standard mb reoommended diet - it is

all about learning and feeling the principals and then making

appropriate personal choices

on the grounds that fish are too loaded with

heavy metals, PCB's and God knows what else.

there is that too!

I think that the toxicity of animal foods is

an excellent reason to be vegan. It's certainly my main reason.

Saying it may influence other people to be vegan, too.

makes sense.

I know that certain subjects are painful, but it

bothers me that someone can't say they are REJECTING fish consumption,

and this is why, without running into resentment on the list. I'm not

the moderator, and it's not my decision, but that kind of boundary

feels too cramped to me.

I can understand that too. But I will be happy to comply with what is

recommended and asked within this list!

Ilanit Tof - Signature

Ilanit

Ms Ilanit Tof

B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology)

Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods

PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate)

Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts

Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing

with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition

ilanit@...

www.littletree.com.au

[Guest guest]

What offended me in earlier posts was talk of eating fish, bones and

all, and another thread regarding eating a whole animal as opposed to

just its parts. I understand that Ilanit won't eat fish because of the

toxins therein, so are we to assume that if the fish were " non-toxic "

that they would then be ok to consume?

ly, it seems to me that Nina has much more to offer a macro group

than I do, and if discussions of eating animals and fish are part of a

macro diet and would be beneficial to this group, then have at it.

As to the suggestion that I just delete any post that I find offensive,

why should I have to get so far into the post to realize that it

discusses things that offend me?

Maybe the solution is to change to a strictly macrobiotic group? I'm

sure that I can find veg groups elsewhere.

[Guest guest]

I can't speak for , but I am confident in saying I'm sure it's

referring to eating flesh and bones............

Reggie

> Hi all,

>

> I went back to the original e-mail that was responding to,

when she

> asked us not to discuss eating animals and fish. I see that

Ilanit is

> saying that she heard a recommendation to eat certain kinds of

fish but that

> she was " put off " by it because the fish are so toxic.

>

> For a vegan, this should be good to read, it seems to me. It is

supportive

> of vegan choices: rejecting even the traditional macro consumption

of fish

> on the grounds that fish are too loaded with heavy metals, PCB's

and God

> knows what else. I think that the toxicity of animal foods is an

excellent

> reason to be vegan. It's certainly my main reason. Saying it may

influence

> other people to be vegan, too.

>

> I know that certain subjects are painful, but it bothers me that

someone

> can't say they are REJECTING fish consumption, and this is why,

without

> running into resentment on the list. I'm not the moderator, and

it's not my

> decision, but that kind of boundary feels too cramped to me.

>

> Am I being unreasonable? A truthful answer is welcome, and I

promise to

> keep an open mind.

>

> Nina

>

>

> Re: whole food yin and yang

>

>

>

>

>

>

> #### Worth considering, though! I think it probably IS more

balancing

> and

> life-giving to eat as much of the animal as possible,

> herman used to recommend small dried fish - they are alkalising

or more

> so as you eat the bones and all.

> I have been put right off fish today after hearing about a toxin

found

> only in reef fish that is resistant to heat, freezing and all

treatment and

> can cause highly uncomfortable symptoms in people that can last

years.

> I prefer tempeh anyway!

>

> rather than just

> selected portions -- and it seems to me that has been the

standard

> procedure in traditional, native cultures.

>

> yes - very Weston Price

>

>

> even salt - is that a wholefood or is it only so if in the

seawater it

> came from etc?

>

> #### Another good point! It seems to me, if the salt is

naturally

> dried,

> with no further processing, then it's at least a reasonably

whole

> food --

> because all that's been removed is pure water (unless you

count the

> little

> ocean creatures in the water, which are not part of the

salt)....

>

>

> check out

>

> www.cea-life.com

[Guest guest]

Ok, so I was right and I can respect what is saying.

This IS a vegan macro group so why not try and not mention eating

animal products. Can't be that difficult can it?

I value 's input and Nina's as well. I certainly hope that Nina

can agree as Ilanit has that it's not a big deal to not mention and

offend.

Peace,]

Reggie

> What offended me in earlier posts was talk of eating fish, bones

and

> all, and another thread regarding eating a whole animal as opposed

to

> just its parts. I understand that Ilanit won't eat fish because

of the

> toxins therein, so are we to assume that if the fish were " non-

toxic "

> that they would then be ok to consume?

>

> ly, it seems to me that Nina has much more to offer a macro

group

> than I do, and if discussions of eating animals and fish are part

of a

> macro diet and would be beneficial to this group, then have at

it.

>

> As to the suggestion that I just delete any post that I find

offensive,

> why should I have to get so far into the post to realize that it

> discusses things that offend me?

>

> Maybe the solution is to change to a strictly macrobiotic group?

I'm

> sure that I can find veg groups elsewhere.

>

>