Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 I have tried a number of alternative therapies, but with little success. Seriously, the best remedies for me have been healthy eating and exercise. Having said that, you might want to look into the origins of some of your regular medications. I remember that one of my drugs (I'm afraid I can't remember which one) actually gets the effective ingredients from seaweed. Heh. > does anyone recommend herbal medicine for asthma, obviously to be used > alongside inhalers. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 >does anyone recommend herbal medicine for asthma, obviously to be used > alongside inhalers. probably we shouldnt simply because we dont know the interaction between herbal and allopathic drug. > I have tried a number of alternative therapies, but with little success. > Seriously, the best remedies for me have been healthy eating and > exercise. > > Having said that, you might want to look into the origins of some of your > regular medications. I remember that one of my drugs (I'm afraid I can't > remember which one) actually gets the effective ingredients from seaweed. > Heh. > > > > does anyone recommend herbal medicine for asthma, obviously to be used > > alongside inhalers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 I agree with Mr. Kumar. And shame on me for forgetting my standard caveat: always, always, ALWAYS check with your doctor before making any changes to your regimen. There are no doctors on this list (as far as I can tell), so none of us is qualified to give any medical advice. >>does anyone recommend herbal medicine for asthma, obviously to be >> used >> alongside inhalers. > > probably we shouldnt simply because we dont know the interaction > between > herbal and allopathic drug. > > > > > >> I have tried a number of alternative therapies, but with little >> success. Seriously, the best remedies for me have been healthy eating >> and exercise. >> >> Having said that, you might want to look into the origins of some of >> your regular medications. I remember that one of my drugs (I'm >> afraid I can't remember which one) actually gets the effective >> ingredients from seaweed. Heh. >> >> >> > does anyone recommend herbal medicine for asthma, obviously to be >> used alongside inhalers. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 hi i wouldnt use herbal meds for my asthma it could lead into a very bad attack . > does anyone recommend herbal medicine for asthma, obviously to be > used alongside inhalers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Perhaps it would be best to get an allergy test before trying. > hi i wouldnt use herbal meds for my asthma it could lead into a very > bad > attack . > >> does anyone recommend herbal medicine for asthma, obviously to be >> used alongside inhalers. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 > And shame on me for forgetting my standard caveat: I admire you ,but you know,atleast with internet,we can also know as much as doctors know things.but once again,I agree with you,we have consult with doctors before doing anything,funny thing here is definitely different doctors have different opinion > I agree with Mr. Kumar. And shame on me for forgetting my standard > caveat: always, always, ALWAYS check with your doctor before making any > changes to your regimen. There are no doctors on this list (as far as I > can tell), so none of us is qualified to give any medical advice. > > > >>does anyone recommend herbal medicine for asthma, obviously to be > >> used > >> alongside inhalers. > > > > probably we shouldnt simply because we dont know the interaction > > between > > herbal and allopathic drug. > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have tried a number of alternative therapies, but with little > >> success. Seriously, the best remedies for me have been healthy eating > >> and exercise. > >> > >> Having said that, you might want to look into the origins of some of > >> your regular medications. I remember that one of my drugs (I'm > >> afraid I can't remember which one) actually gets the effective > >> ingredients from seaweed. Heh. > >> > >> > >> > does anyone recommend herbal medicine for asthma, obviously to be > >> used alongside inhalers. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 <<'t even *THINK* about replacing your prescribed medications with anything else; I would even suggest not trying anything as a supplement without getting your doctor's okay first. Some herbs can interact badly with medications you're already taking and make your asthma worse.>> I agree with this, especially for serious asthmatics. Stay away from anything that contains ephedra or ma-huang, often used in diet preparations. It can speed up your system to the point of getting a heart attack.. C-M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 I'm sorry about the tone of your e-mail. It started out reasonably intelligent and thoughtful, but degenerated into unnecessary sarcasm. > Maybe I was wrong to think that people on the list > wouldn't do stupid things (I have only recently > joined) you know them better.. maybe that's why you > are so precoutious... ....and I certainly did not join this list to read this sort of sarcasm. Let me make myself clear. I was *NOT* implying that anyone on this list is stupid, foolish, naive, or anything like that. Far from it; I don't know anyone on this list personally, so I cannot possibly make that kind of judgment call. It would be wrong of me to do so. I have, however, seen some very intelligent people loaded with common sense get fooled by specious claims of miracle cures, quick guaranteed relief, and so on. I have been fooled myself, and I don't want to see anyone else be fooled and make decisions that could hurt them. >> it's more likely you'll just lose your money on >> a bunch of dried >> leaves that don't do you any good at all. > >I'm not sure how you measure this: 'more likely'??? >How can you say that something is more likely if you >don't have stats, etc.? Perhaps my statement comes from bitter experience; perhaps it comes from a course I took in college entitled " The History of Quackery and Pseudoscience in America " ; perhaps it comes from a couple of decades of reading through asthma literature and materials; perhaps it comes from seeing family and friend -- very intelligent and bright people -- occasionally taken in by claims that turned out to be false. Whatever the basis is, I admit that I have no statistics, so I must retract my statement. I stand firmly behind my observation, though, that I have never seen alternative therapies work, and would caution anyone against using them without medical supervision. >Who >mentioned stopping medicines when you start taking >herbs???? No one specifically mentioned it, true. And I hope that they don't. I've seen it done before, I don't want to see it done again. I do not think I am more intelligent on this list, and I don't think I am precocious in any way. I think everyone on this list is intelligent and possesses common sense, and I think that they have all suffered a lot from their asthma. And certainly everyone on this list is smart enough and mature enough to make their own decisions about their own health and health care. I like the level of caring and concern I've seen on this list. And if anyone has felt intimidated or threatened or insulted by anything I wrote in my earlier, I sincerely apologize. Whew. Okay, back to your scheduled wheezing. ;-) -- -- Slainte, S. Crawford AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com " It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye. " --Antoine de Saint Exupery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Once again ,I admire you! > I'm sorry about the tone of your e-mail. It started out reasonably > intelligent and thoughtful, but degenerated into unnecessary sarcasm. > > > > > Maybe I was wrong to think that people on the list > > wouldn't do stupid things (I have only recently > > joined) you know them better.. maybe that's why you > > are so precoutious... > > ...and I certainly did not join this list to read this sort of sarcasm. > > Let me make myself clear. > > I was *NOT* implying that anyone on this list is stupid, foolish, naive, > or anything like that. Far from it; I don't know anyone on this list > personally, so I cannot possibly make that kind of judgment call. It > would be wrong of me to do so. > > I have, however, seen some very intelligent people loaded with common > sense get fooled by specious claims of miracle cures, quick guaranteed > relief, and so on. I have been fooled myself, and I don't want to see > anyone else be fooled and make decisions that could hurt them. > > >> it's more likely you'll just lose your money on > >> a bunch of dried > >> leaves that don't do you any good at all. > > > >I'm not sure how you measure this: 'more likely'??? > >How can you say that something is more likely if you > >don't have stats, etc.? > > Perhaps my statement comes from bitter experience; perhaps it comes from > a course I took in college entitled " The History of Quackery and > Pseudoscience in America " ; perhaps it comes from a couple of decades of > reading through asthma literature and materials; perhaps it comes from > seeing family and friend -- very intelligent and bright people -- > occasionally taken in by claims that turned out to be false. Whatever > the basis is, I admit that I have no statistics, so I must retract my > statement. I stand firmly behind my observation, though, that I have > never seen alternative therapies work, and would caution anyone against > using them without medical supervision. > > >Who > >mentioned stopping medicines when you start taking > >herbs???? > > No one specifically mentioned it, true. And I hope that they don't. > I've seen it done before, I don't want to see it done again. > > I do not think I am more intelligent on this list, and I don't think I > am precocious in any way. I think everyone on this list is intelligent > and possesses common sense, and I think that they have all suffered a > lot from their asthma. And certainly everyone on this list is smart > enough and mature enough to make their own decisions about their own > health and health care. I like the level of caring and concern I've > seen on this list. > > And if anyone has felt intimidated or threatened or insulted by anything > I wrote in my earlier, I sincerely apologize. > > Whew. > > Okay, back to your scheduled wheezing. ;-) > > > > -- > -- > Slainte, > S. Crawford > AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 > http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com > " It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential > is invisible to the eye. " --Antoine de Saint Exupery > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 May be, but mypoint is herbs also contains chemical compounds only.As you know even food is consider as foreign material to the body,there is no need to worry about synthetic drugs. I cannt certainly accept that herbal medicine has no side effect. it may have but we are not aware.for example now people have found that some sidda medicine which uses some metals cause kidney damage on long run.another point is since in herbs we use so many extract so that side effect of one drug may be cancelled by other.I think allopathic science should think on this way.It like my mother takes folic acid to avoid liver damage when ever she takes methotrexate > <<nce again herbs contains some chemical compounds which > will heal the disease.you know coffee is good for asthma > since it contains coffine which is closely related to > theophiline (both are same xanthine family). >> > > My body does not react the same to it.. > Coffee makes my stomach turn, gives me the runs and the all over > jitteries.. > A low dose of theophilline in the am. helps me to jumpstart the day > when it's allergy season and my Asthma is at 'treshold' levels. > C-M > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 <<nce again herbs contains some chemical compounds which will heal the disease.you know coffee is good for asthma since it contains coffine which is closely related to theophiline (both are same xanthine family). >> My body does not react the same to it.. Coffee makes my stomach turn, gives me the runs and the all over jitteries.. A low dose of theophilline in the am. helps me to jumpstart the day when it's allergy season and my Asthma is at 'treshold' levels. C-M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Can you drink tea? The molecular structure of the caffeine in tea is slightly different from the molecular structure of the caffeine in coffee, and is actually a bit closer to theophylline. Of course, the act of relaxing with a cup of tea in itself is good for you. And, of course, one of the most important things to do when you feel an attack coming on is to keep your cool and relax. Stressing yourself out about it only makes it worse (I know from bitter experience -- heh). > <<nce again herbs contains some chemical compounds which > will heal the disease.you know coffee is good for asthma > since it contains coffine which is closely related to > theophiline (both are same xanthine family). >> > > My body does not react the same to it.. > Coffee makes my stomach turn, gives me the runs and the all over > jitteries.. > A low dose of theophilline in the am. helps me to jumpstart the day > when it's allergy season and my Asthma is at 'treshold' levels. > C-M > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 I drink TONS of tea - no coffee, though. Do you know I didn't know that it could help asthma and yet I have been prone to drinking it because it does help. I thought it was the soothing warm of the tea that did it. I also go through 18 lemons a week in tea (I am anemic - long story) At 5/10/03 11:30 AM, S. Crawford wrote: >Can you drink tea? The molecular structure of the caffeine in tea is >slightly different from the molecular structure of the caffeine in >coffee, and is actually a bit closer to theophylline. > >Of course, the act of relaxing with a cup of tea in itself is good for >you. And, of course, one of the most important things to do when you >feel an attack coming on is to keep your cool and relax. Stressing >yourself out about it only makes it worse (I know from bitter experience >-- heh). > > > > > <<nce again herbs contains some chemical compounds which > > will heal the disease.you know coffee is good for asthma > > since it contains coffine which is closely related to > > theophiline (both are same xanthine family). >> > > > > My body does not react the same to it.. > > Coffee makes my stomach turn, gives me the runs and the all over > > jitteries.. > > A low dose of theophilline in the am. helps me to jumpstart the day > > when it's allergy season and my Asthma is at 'treshold' levels. > > C-M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 At 5/10/03 12:57 PM, Christa- wrote: >But to take a small amount of Theophylline on days when I wake up >breathing harder, it gives me a jumpstart with no side effects. I do >not take it every day and never at night. I just take Serevent, >pulmicort during the day, at times the rescue inhaler, usually when I am >out and around people with perfumes.During rough times I use the >nebulizer at night and in the morning and by doing that have stayed out >of the ER for many years. >Guess it works different for some people. I know one has to have their >blood monitored when on theophylline for a long time. Since I switched to Singulair I have not had to use a nebulizer - EVER. I used to be in ER about once a year prior to that. I think they found some side effects of theophylline that were heart-related and doctors tended to use it less because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 A homeopathic physician I was seeing at the time advised me to drink rose hip tea and eat the rose hips afterwards. If I recall correctly, it was because I was anemic. There was also a brown tea he wanted me to drink. The tea was in long strands and I can't remember the name of it now. At 5/10/03 08:59 PM, Maja Hristozova wrote: >What kind of a tea do you drink? Did you mention rose >hip? >I read theophylline was originally made of a >herb/flower (vague memories Camellia Sinensis) and in >the late 30's and early 40's it was still made of it. >Then they started using the chemicals.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 I had this done about 15 years ago. I was surprised how much I am allergic to. i wonder if it needs to be repeated. At 5/10/03 11:11 PM, Christa- wrote: >In the US you can go to an allergy specialist and they do skin tests to >see what you are allergic, too. Also have you take a food diary and >diary of household products to see what you are allergic too. >It can be pretty specific, but some are also broad, like my son is >allergic to industrial cleaners...ther are many out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 In the US you can go to an allergy specialist and they do skin tests to see what you are allergic, too. Also have you take a food diary and diary of household products to see what you are allergic too. It can be pretty specific, but some are also broad, like my son is allergic to industrial cleaners...ther are many out there. C-M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 No,I dont take tea or coffee.I just know that it helps. when my attack is very bad,I just take predinisolone 5 mg.It really helps.for mild attackes ventoline + ipravent inhaler.Infact now a days I am daily using ipravent,due you have any idea of using ipravent daily makes asthma worst? I just love this inhaler simply because it doesnt give me shaking.ofcourse you have used this before the attack starts, otherwise there wont be so much effect. Many Greetings, Senthil Kumar.S. > Can you drink tea? The molecular structure of the caffeine in tea is > slightly different from the molecular structure of the caffeine in > coffee, and is actually a bit closer to theophylline. > > Of course, the act of relaxing with a cup of tea in itself is good for > you. And, of course, one of the most important things to do when you > feel an attack coming on is to keep your cool and relax. Stressing > yourself out about it only makes it worse (I know from bitter experience > -- heh). > > > > > <<nce again herbs contains some chemical compounds which > > will heal the disease.you know coffee is good for asthma > > since it contains coffine which is closely related to > > theophiline (both are same xanthine family). >> > > > > My body does not react the same to it.. > > Coffee makes my stomach turn, gives me the runs and the all over > > jitteries.. > > A low dose of theophilline in the am. helps me to jumpstart the day > > when it's allergy season and my Asthma is at 'treshold' levels. > > C-M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 Hi Group, what is really meant by " Asthma control " !?!!? sometimes this word looks so funny and strange for me!!! just two months before I found that I need salbutamol daily.then my doctor puts me under beclate (400 mcg perday) after a month he asked me to use up to 800 mcg.after another 20 days,yesterday he changed to advair 250/50,two times a day.still always feeling tightness,salbutamol is not at all working.I stopped cycling 2 months before. daily I need now atleast 6 puffs of salbutamol plus 6 puffs of ipravent.still sometimes feeling complete tightness.but no sneezing,running nose etc,etc.just " dry " wheezing. I fell I cannt breath.what kind of asthma it is? occasionaly I take prednisolone,initially 5 mg was working fine.now I think I need 15 mg to see atleast slight benefit.doctor told me I have use advair for 15 days after that he may think of whatelse can be done.he told that with this advair I should be symptom free.oops! already I have used 6 puffs of ventoline/ipravent. now time is just 5 pm!?!!? still feeling bottom of right lung is still closed.just loves to take 10-15 mg of predinisolone and breath happily with a full lungs,but yesterday he told to not take oral steroid for this two weeks,he wants to know how advair is going to work for me.how cruel is he!?!? I think now I can understand why people die due to asthma?!?!? I am really asking is there anything called asthma control, can I get back my old days? say atleast cycling from my workplace to room with out using salbutamol.just not feeling my lungs,thatmeans I should completely forget about my lungs. now I am taking advair 250/50,two times a day, salbutamol + ipravent - sos!?!?! (sos - thats really funny, I take this more than regularly) do you think I need to be put it under some more severe medications? Infact I asked him about short course of perdinisolone,he told I can manage with only advair!!! do you think now I have to change the doctor? your suggestion is really appreciated.I want to get back mylife. Asthma affect my life so badly. Thank you Many Greetings, Senthil Kumar.S. ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` If you cannt breath nothingelse matters!!! ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Mr.S.Senthil Kumar, C/O Prof.P.K.Das, Dept of IPC, IISc, Bangalore - 12, Karnataka, India, South Asia, Asia, World, Solar System, Milkyway, Universe, My head?!?!?! ```````````````````` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 Senthil, Your letter makes me wonder what might be in your environment to cause you such severe asthma right now. Doc is right, sounds like a lot of steroids, you need ot be careful with that. I wonder if you could get a home breathing machine to use in the morning and evening. I found that this kickstarts me during rough times better than anything else, tho I still use my other meds , such as Serevent, Pulmicort and the rescue inhaler. It's tough when one is so tight for so long, takes all the energy out. But I would check your environment, to see if there is anything you could avoid, so the asthma might not be so bad. Good luck. C-M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Enviornment,but same place last year I was perfectly alright. what is that home breathing machine? I dont know whether that is available in India or not. Many Greetings, Senthil Kumar.S. > Senthil, > Your letter makes me wonder what might be in your environment to cause > you such severe asthma right now. > Doc is right, sounds like a lot of steroids, you need ot be careful with > that. > I wonder if you could get a home breathing machine to use in the morning > and evening. I found that this kickstarts me during rough times better > than anything else, tho I still use my other meds , such as Serevent, > Pulmicort and the rescue inhaler. > It's tough when one is so tight for so long, takes all the energy out. > But I would check your environment, to see if there is anything you > could avoid, so the asthma might not be so bad. > Good luck. > C-M > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Senthil, Best way to find out and track the 'cause' of your Asthma, is by keeping a diary. Write down what food you eat, where you have been, and anything new and different, like detergents, pollen outside, perfumes, pets etc. If you keep one for several month, you most likely will find the cause root of what gives you asthma. However, with asthma there is also always an emotional factor, it kicks in easier when under stress or one has to deal with unresolved emotional issues. I read somewhere that Asthma is often " Tears cried inside " . C-M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 >However, with asthma there is also always >an emotional factor, it kicks in easier when under stress or one has to >deal with unresolved emotional issues. >I read somewhere that Asthma is often " Tears cried inside " . yes, you may be correct,I have got problem with ladies (being in a college envoirnment and having fragile heart!!!) but really I dont know how to solve this,one way is there better to runaway from this place,I think I will do this soon. Many Greetings, Senthil Kumar.S. > Senthil, > Best way to find out and track the 'cause' of your Asthma, is by > keeping a diary. > Write down what food you eat, where you have been, and anything new and > different, like detergents, pollen outside, perfumes, pets etc. > If you keep one for several month, you most likely will find the cause > root of what gives you asthma. However, with asthma there is also always > an emotional factor, it kicks in easier when under stress or one has to > deal with unresolved emotional issues. > I read somewhere that Asthma is often " Tears cried inside " . > C-M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Today I have started cycling,two puffs of salbutamol before cycling, going well,except shaking like sheep,but thats o.k I think!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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