Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 In a message dated 12/23/03 8:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Idol@... writes: > It sounds like you have moderate digestive tract dysbiosis, and maybe > hypochloridia. As far as the dysbiosis goes, the single best book on the > subject is _Breaking The Vicious Cycle_, by Elaine Gottschall. Though it's > not NT per se, it's extremely NT-compatible. As far as the possibility of > hypochloridia and treatment options, people on the list have suggested a > bicarb test, but someone else would have to enlighten you on that. The > whole subject is something I'm just beginning to look into seriously. > > >I can't eat garlic, onions, lentils etc. without getting gas (coming and > >going). I would love to use it (love the taste). What can I do to make > >it like me. , What about her post indicates hypochloridia to you, and what would distinguish it from GI dysbiosis? I don't have any problem with cooked garlic and onions, but raw garlic really makes things move around in there. It seems like the garlic is *helping* not hurting, and making war on some bad guys hanging around in there or something. Lentils in large amounts can give me gas, and so can milk, but it seems that the combo of milk and potatoes within close vicinity of each other gives me much more gas than large amounts of either when separate. I noticed that this problem is almost disappeared since I got my first jar of raw honey the other day in a long time, and have been taking a few tbsp a day. Wheat seems to give me a whole 'nother issue that is more stomach pain or gas that *doesn't move* instead of gas that moves, but either raw honey or red wine seems to cure it. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 In a message dated 12/23/03 8:58:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Idol@... writes: > What do you mean by " move around " ? Rumbling noises and stuff. Gas is never a good sign, but I suppose > > some distress or burbling could be the sign of a dieoff of undesirable > organisms. I think so. If I have symptoms of some kind of gut bug, raw garlic, e.g., will cause more gas and rumbling for a little while but ultimately kill it. Any time you take something that kills off weeds, though, you > should make sure to take some kind of probiotic, whether in pill form or as > > a fermented food. Otherwise the weeds will probably come back. True. > > >Lentils in large amounts can give me gas, and so can milk, but it seems > that > >the combo of milk and potatoes within close vicinity of each other gives me > >much more gas than large amounts of either when separate. > > Hmm, I'm not really sure why that should be, though I suppose it could just > be that since your digestive system is taxed by either one alone, having > both is just too much. Maybe production of the proper enzymes for both is > kind of an either/or proposition. Maybe. They're probably both zinc-dependent, and I think I suffer from severe zinc deficiency. I need to order the test, which costs some money, but I think I have pyroluria, which causes severe deficiencies in zinc, B6 and arachidonic acid. I have less digestive problems the more beef I'm eating, too, so it seems like its an issue of enzyme taxation, or, ultimately, taxation of my zinc resources perhaps. > > >I noticed that this > >problem is almost disappeared since I got my first jar of raw honey the > other > >day in a long time, and have been taking a few tbsp a day. > > Quality raw honey can have a profoundly antibiotic effect (I noticed this > using different honeys as fermentation food -- forget about making pickled > salmon with YS Organic raw honey, for example) so maybe the honey is > suppressing the organisms that might otherwise have taken immediate > advantage of the milk+potato opportunity. Maybe. I was thinking it might also be the enzymes. I can't imagine why honey would have lactase, but it is definitely rich in amylases. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 I can't eat garlic, onions, lentils etc. without getting gas (coming and going). I would love to use it (love the taste). What can I do to make it like me. Amy Re: Hebal remedy Hi Everyone Garlic is one of the most medicinal herbs there is, and my family and I eat it daily. Just a couple of thoughts on it first it must be raw, heat kills its medicinal value, secound the pills you buy at the health food store most if not all have removed the allicin. Allicin is on of the primary active constituents so you loss most of the medicinal value, and as with all herbs when you powder them they lose medical value fast. Honey if it raw has medicinal value as well and it wouldn't supprize me if that remedy works. The goatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Amy- It sounds like you have moderate digestive tract dysbiosis, and maybe hypochloridia. As far as the dysbiosis goes, the single best book on the subject is _Breaking The Vicious Cycle_, by Elaine Gottschall. Though it's not NT per se, it's extremely NT-compatible. As far as the possibility of hypochloridia and treatment options, people on the list have suggested a bicarb test, but someone else would have to enlighten you on that. The whole subject is something I'm just beginning to look into seriously. >I can't eat garlic, onions, lentils etc. without getting gas (coming and >going). I would love to use it (love the taste). What can I do to make >it like me. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Chris- >What about her post indicates hypochloridia to you, and what would >distinguish it from GI dysbiosis? Well, burping soon after eating can be suggestive of hypochloridia, though intestinal dysbiosis can also sometimes cause it. That said, dysbiosis and hypochloridia go hand in hand often enough, each exacerbating the other. >but raw garlic really >makes things move around in there. It seems like the garlic is *helping* not >hurting, and making war on some bad guys hanging around in there or >something. What do you mean by " move around " ? Gas is never a good sign, but I suppose some distress or burbling could be the sign of a dieoff of undesirable organisms. Any time you take something that kills off weeds, though, you should make sure to take some kind of probiotic, whether in pill form or as a fermented food. Otherwise the weeds will probably come back. >Lentils in large amounts can give me gas, and so can milk, but it seems that >the combo of milk and potatoes within close vicinity of each other gives me >much more gas than large amounts of either when separate. Hmm, I'm not really sure why that should be, though I suppose it could just be that since your digestive system is taxed by either one alone, having both is just too much. Maybe production of the proper enzymes for both is kind of an either/or proposition. >I noticed that this >problem is almost disappeared since I got my first jar of raw honey the other >day in a long time, and have been taking a few tbsp a day. Quality raw honey can have a profoundly antibiotic effect (I noticed this using different honeys as fermentation food -- forget about making pickled salmon with YS Organic raw honey, for example) so maybe the honey is suppressing the organisms that might otherwise have taken immediate advantage of the milk+potato opportunity. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 In a message dated 12/24/03 6:18:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, cbdfarm@... writes: > White spots on fingernails are supposed to be indicative of a zinc > deficiency. I know, personally, if I take supplemental zinc the white spots > will disappear and if I quit they will come back. That may help determine a > zinc deficiency just as easily as a test would. > Just some thoughts, Thanks Danny. I have white spots on my fingernails, though they were considerably worse before I started NT (and was eating much less zinc), but they're still significant. The test would be for elevated pyrolles, not zinc, though the latter is one test that is often taken along with the former. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 White spots on fingernails are supposed to be indicative of a zinc deficiency. I know, personally, if I take supplemental zinc the white spots will disappear and if I quit they will come back. That may help determine a zinc deficiency just as easily as a test would. Just some thoughts, danny > Maybe. They're probably both zinc-dependent, and I think I suffer from > severe zinc deficiency. I need to order the test, which costs some money, but I > think I have pyroluria, which causes severe deficiencies in zinc, B6 and > arachidonic acid. I have less digestive problems the more beef I'm eating, too, so > it seems like its an issue of enzyme taxation, or, ultimately, taxation of my > zinc resources perhaps. Creek Bend Dairy Farm Harry & Peggy Strite 11917 Snug Harbor Lane port, MD 21795 301-582-4135 cbdfarm@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 In a message dated 12/24/03 1:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, rawbabymama@... writes: > I have noticed this also, with the white spots disappearing quickly if I > take chelated zinc. I have Leaky Gut Syndrome, one of the side effects of > which is damaged ability to absorb/utilize minerals due to the carrier > proteins not attaching properly. I blend my vitamins in a smoothie. Also, the zinc deficiency could cause or aggravate the LGS, I would think, since it would undermine your digestion. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 I have noticed this also, with the white spots disappearing quickly if I take chelated zinc. I have Leaky Gut Syndrome, one of the side effects of which is damaged ability to absorb/utilize minerals due to the carrier proteins not attaching properly. I blend my vitamins in a smoothie. happy holidays Michele >From: ChrisMasterjohn@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Re: Hebal remedy >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:07:28 EST > >In a message dated 12/24/03 6:18:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, >cbdfarm@... writes: > > > White spots on fingernails are supposed to be indicative of a zinc > > deficiency. I know, personally, if I take supplemental zinc the white >spots > > will disappear and if I quit they will come back. That may help >determine a > > zinc deficiency just as easily as a test would. > > Just some thoughts, > >Thanks Danny. I have white spots on my fingernails, though they were >considerably worse before I started NT (and was eating much less zinc), but >they're >still significant. > >The test would be for elevated pyrolles, not zinc, though the latter is one >test that is often taken along with the former. > >Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 I should say, the white spots do not show up in new nail as opposed to getting more as the nail grows. The spots already on the nail remain. Just wanted ti clarify. Michele >From: " the scorpio " <rawbabymama@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Re: Hebal remedy >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:41:45 -0500 > >I have noticed this also, with the white spots disappearing quickly if I >take chelated zinc. I have Leaky Gut Syndrome, one of the side effects of >which is damaged ability to absorb/utilize minerals due to the carrier >proteins not attaching properly. I blend my vitamins in a smoothie. > >happy holidays > >Michele > > > >From: ChrisMasterjohn@... > >Reply- > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Hebal remedy > >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:07:28 EST > > > >In a message dated 12/24/03 6:18:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >cbdfarm@... writes: > > > > > White spots on fingernails are supposed to be indicative of a zinc > > > deficiency. I know, personally, if I take supplemental zinc the white > >spots > > > will disappear and if I quit they will come back. That may help > >determine a > > > zinc deficiency just as easily as a test would. > > > Just some thoughts, > > > >Thanks Danny. I have white spots on my fingernails, though they were > >considerably worse before I started NT (and was eating much less zinc), >but > >they're > >still significant. > > > >The test would be for elevated pyrolles, not zinc, though the latter is >one > >test that is often taken along with the former. > > > >Chris > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Yes! It is all a vicious cycle. The zinc is a relatively easy one to break. Unfortunately it is only a small part of the picture. take care Michele >From: ChrisMasterjohn@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Re: Hebal remedy >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:27:02 EST > >In a message dated 12/24/03 1:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, >rawbabymama@... writes: > > > I have noticed this also, with the white spots disappearing quickly if I > > take chelated zinc. I have Leaky Gut Syndrome, one of the side effects >of > > which is damaged ability to absorb/utilize minerals due to the carrier > > proteins not attaching properly. I blend my vitamins in a smoothie. > >Also, the zinc deficiency could cause or aggravate the LGS, I would think, >since it would undermine your digestion. > >Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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