Re: The gift we give ourselves

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

Have you gotten your 25 (OH) D levels checked? Estrogen, parathyroid

hormone, and calcitriol (vitamin D) all help retain calcium in the blood, so

perhaps

a deficiencies in one of these or another such hormone is to blame?

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/25/03 4:19:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

h2ocolor@... writes:

> I have recently had my 25-OH level of vitamin D checked It was 30.3

> which is not optimal according to Mercloa. I have started taking one

> T of CLO instead of 2 T. I will have it checked again in 6 months.

> Does that sound reasonable?

I don't understand. 30.3 is *below* the optimal range, so why would you

*decrease* your D intake instead of *increasing* it?

> I still need my parathyroids checked. Do you know if it is common

> for a person with low thyroid hormones to also have faulty

> parathyroid hormones?

I don't know. But it doesn't sound unreasonable, because parathyroid is

antagonistic to calcitonin, not thyroid hormone.

> I take all natural plantbased Triest with Progestrone, one sublingual

> tab,once a week. It seems to be all I need to control hot flashes. I

> was hoping to taper off them completely over the next year. Now I

> wonder if that is wise?

I'm the last person to ask.

>

> What is calcitriol? Is it checked by a blood test?

Calcitriol is the active form of vitamin D. Vitamin D from food and from

skin conversions is ergocalciferol, which I believe is a prohormone to

25-hydroxyvitamin D, which is then converted to calcitriol by parathyroid

hormone.

Vitamin D as it comes from food has no activity in relation to calcium.

According to Mercola, the most accurate test is 25-hydroxyvitamin D. Either

there are no calcitriol tests, they aren't accessible, or for whatever reason

they are considered less informative.

> So much to learn? We are body mystery detectives. :-)

lol, yeah, and the more we learn the more we realize how little we know.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Sheila-

Good for you for refusing the Fosamax. Nobody should ever take that. It

temporarily increases apparent bone density by killing the bone -- a

longer-term recipe for dramatically increased fragility, as my grandmother

found out to her woe.

>When I got the results of my bone scan my NP wanted my to start

>Fosamax

-

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have recently had my 25-OH level of vitamin D checked It was 30.3

which is not optimal according to Mercloa. I have started taking one

T of CLO instead of 2 T. I will have it checked again in 6 months.

Does that sound reasonable?

I still need my parathyroids checked. Do you know if it is common

for a person with low thyroid hormones to also have faulty

parathyroid hormones?

I take all natural plantbased Triest with Progestrone, one sublingual

tab,once a week. It seems to be all I need to control hot flashes. I

was hoping to taper off them completely over the next year. Now I

wonder if that is wise?

What is calcitriol? Is it checked by a blood test?

So much to learn? We are body mystery detectives. :-)

Thanks for your help,

Sheila

--- In , ChrisMasterjohn@a... wrote..

>

> Have you gotten your 25 (OH) D levels checked? Estrogen,

parathyroid

> hormone, and calcitriol (vitamin D) all help retain calcium in the

blood, so perhaps

> a deficiencies in one of these or another such hormone is to blame?

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/25/03 6:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

h2ocolor@... writes:

> I am thinking with the NT diet of whole foods properly prepared, plus

> the correct level of HCl and digestive enzymes, I will see

> improvement in my bone density. This may not be the whole picture,

> but it has got to be crucial to any recovery.

Do you lift weights? Lifting weights is an excellent way of increasing bone

density, and the exercise is important to combine with the dietary approach.

Without the other, each is in vein.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I am trying to keep all parts of me alive and healthy. I

didn't want to go the kill the cells route. Yikes! What an idea.

I'm sorry your grandmother suffered more in the long run from the

Fosamx. I simply don't trust any drugs and will not take them unless

death is knocking on my life.

Sheila

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> Sheila-

>

> Good for you for refusing the Fosamax. Nobody should ever take

that. It

> temporarily increases apparent bone density by killing the bone --

a

> longer-term recipe for dramatically increased fragility, as my

grandmother

> found out to her woe.

>

> >When I got the results of my bone scan my NP wanted my to start

> >Fosamax

>

>

>

> -

[Guest guest]

Sorry I meant 2 t not 2 T. I have increased the CLO to 1 T. It is not

as high as Price found native people taking, but 1200 iu to 1500 iu

is certainly higher than most people take.

The clacitriol information was interesting. Thanks Chris. I will get

my parathyroid checked next. One test at a time.

I am thinking with the NT diet of whole foods properly prepared, plus

the correct level of HCl and digestive enzymes, I will see

improvement in my bone density. This may not be the whole picture,

but it has got to be crucial to any recovery.

It is true that the more we know, the more we know we don't know, but

I love to learn and feel strong and healthy,so I persevere.

Sheila

> In a message dated 12/25/03 4:19:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> h2ocolor@b... writes:

>

> > I have recently had my 25-OH level of vitamin D checked It was

30.3

> > which is not optimal according to Mercloa. I have started taking

one

> > T of CLO instead of 2 T. I will have it checked again in 6

months.

> > Does that sound reasonable?

>

> I don't understand. 30.3 is *below* the optimal range, so why

would you

> *decrease* your D intake instead of *increasing* it?

>

>

> > I still need my parathyroids checked. Do you know if it is common

> > for a person with low thyroid hormones to also have faulty

> > parathyroid hormones?

>

> I don't know. But it doesn't sound unreasonable, because

parathyroid is

> antagonistic to calcitonin, not thyroid hormone.

>

> > I take all natural plantbased Triest with Progestrone, one

sublingual

> > tab,once a week. It seems to be all I need to control hot

flashes. I

> > was hoping to taper off them completely over the next year. Now I

> > wonder if that is wise?

>

> I'm the last person to ask.

>

> >

> > What is calcitriol? Is it checked by a blood test?

>

> Calcitriol is the active form of vitamin D. Vitamin D from food

and from

> skin conversions is ergocalciferol, which I believe is a prohormone

to

> 25-hydroxyvitamin D, which is then converted to calcitriol by

parathyroid hormone.

> Vitamin D as it comes from food has no activity in relation to

calcium.

>

> According to Mercola, the most accurate test is 25-hydroxyvitamin

D. Either

> there are no calcitriol tests, they aren't accessible, or for

whatever reason

> they are considered less informative.

>

>

> > So much to learn? We are body mystery detectives. :-)

>

> lol, yeah, and the more we learn the more we realize how little we

know.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do lift weights to increase bone mass. They are 1 to 3 pound

weights. I will use heavier ones little by little over the course of

the coming months.

I used to go to a weight training class, but injured both my wrists.

They still bother me, so I have to be very careful not to overdo or

move incorrectly. Since I am 66 years old I am extra careful to not

stain any muscles. Of course injury can happen to anyone of any age.

I seem to be rather susceptible to injury. In the same class I

developed bursitis in my hips. I dropped that class.I stick to a home

program now and go at my own pace. It works for me.

Sheila

> In a message dated 12/25/03 6:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> h2ocolor@b... writes:

>

> > I am thinking with the NT diet of whole foods properly prepared,

plus

> > the correct level of HCl and digestive enzymes, I will see

> > improvement in my bone density. This may not be the whole

picture,

> > but it has got to be crucial to any recovery.

>

> Do you lift weights? Lifting weights is an excellent way of

increasing bone

> density, and the exercise is important to combine with the dietary

approach.

> Without the other, each is in vein.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/25/03 10:43:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

h2ocolor@... writes:

> I do lift weights to increase bone mass. They are 1 to 3 pound

> weights. I will use heavier ones little by little over the course of

> the coming months.

> I used to go to a weight training class, but injured both my wrists.

> They still bother me, so I have to be very careful not to overdo or

> move incorrectly. Since I am 66 years old I am extra careful to not

> stain any muscles. Of course injury can happen to anyone of any age.

> I seem to be rather susceptible to injury. In the same class I

> developed bursitis in my hips. I dropped that class.I stick to a home

> program now and go at my own pace. It works for me.

That's good. I think injuries are usually from improper form and/or

movements, but I don't know much about the relative risks that correspond with

age.

I wish you well and hope all your doing will pay off greatly.

Chris

[Guest guest]

> Good for you for refusing the Fosamax. Nobody should ever take that.

It

> temporarily increases apparent bone density by killing the bone -- a

> longer-term recipe for dramatically increased fragility, as my

grandmother

> found out to her woe.

> -

,

My mom is on Fosamax. She went off for 1/2 a year and her bone density

went down so she went back on it. What is the story on your

grandmother?

Laurel

[Guest guest]

If you want to use a diuretic try doing a search on the web for herbs that

are natural diuretics.

I use a herbal recipe for my calcium. Plus what I eat.

Kayte

The gift we give ourselves

When I recieved a call yesterday about my osteoporosis, I was

reminded of the value of the gift I give to myself through

researching and correcting my own health difficulties. It is the same

gift you are also giving yourselves. I have discovered there are not

many of in this world who will take the time or the effort this

entails.

I have found out, because of my own determination to get a test Bee

suggested (24 hour urine), that my osteo is called hypocalciuria. It

is the throwing off of calcium by the kidneys, instead of it being

taken up into the bones. According to my NP the worst thing I can do

is take supplemental calcium. Instead, if I keep my calcium intake to

around 400 mg from food a day my bones should heal a lot in about a

year and a half. They will heal faster if I am put on a mild

duiretic, but I prefer to be treated a more natural way if that is

possible. Any suggestions?

When I got the results of my bone scan my NP wanted my to start

Fosamax and take more calcium and magnesium. She was surprised and a

little upset,when I resisted the Fosamax. Now it turns out that was

not what I needed at all, in fact more cal/mag made me very ill. I

never even considered the Fosamx.

My NP made the comment, " It took a lot of testing, but we found out

what the problem was? " Yes, we found out because I asked for the

tests. Two tests dosen't seem like all that many to me! I will say

she has been very willing to let me get the testing, even the extra

adrenal check up which proved my adrenals are doing fine. Thank

goodness she would listen to me. I am grateful.

Now I am researching more about this condition, hypocalciuria. I want

to know why, if that is possible, this has happened to my body.

What's up with my kidneys?If any of you have a clues for anatural

treatment please pass it along.

I am now wondering if the Cal-Ma plus is the way to go. Of course I

purchased some and had just opened the bottle when my NP called

(Gumpherson's Law at work here!)It contains 170 of calcium, which is

almost half of what I should be getting in a day.

Over the last few years many of you have helped me with health, herbs

and food questions. I have greatly appreciated your kind emotional

support and your well founded nutritional advice. I thank you very

much.

May you all have a wonderful hoiday time and a very happy new year.

I hope you will keep giving yourself the gift of self health

protection through seeking knowledge and eating the NT way. It really

pays off!

Sheila

[Guest guest]

Thanks Chris. I have high hopes of recovery. Bee did it with NT

eating so why not me? It takes a long time to rebuild bone, so I'll

get back to you in around a year or so, after my next bone scan.

Sheila

> In a message dated 12/25/03 10:43:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> h2ocolor@b... writes:

>

> > I do lift weights to increase bone mass. They are 1 to 3 pound

> > weights. I will use heavier ones little by little over the course

of

> > the coming months.

> > I used to go to a weight training class, but injured both my

wrists.

> > They still bother me, so I have to be very careful not to overdo

or

> > move incorrectly. Since I am 66 years old I am extra careful to

not

> > stain any muscles. Of course injury can happen to anyone of any

age.

> > I seem to be rather susceptible to injury. In the same class I

> > developed bursitis in my hips. I dropped that class.I stick to a

home

> > program now and go at my own pace. It works for me.

>

> That's good. I think injuries are usually from improper form

and/or

> movements, but I don't know much about the relative risks that

correspond with age.

>

> I wish you well and hope all your doing will pay off greatly.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kayte,

Using a natural diuretic is a great idea.

What kind of herbal recipe do you use for calcium?

Thanks to you and everyone else who has replied to my thoughts and

questions.

Happy New Year!

Sheila

--- In , Kayte Sisler <kayte@m...>

wrote:

> If you want to use a diuretic try doing a search on the web for

herbs that

> are natural diuretics.

>

> I use a herbal recipe for my calcium. Plus what I eat.

>

> Kayte

>

> The gift we give ourselves

>

>

>

> When I recieved a call yesterday about my osteoporosis, I was

> reminded of the value of the gift I give to myself through

> researching and correcting my own health difficulties. It is the

same

> gift you are also giving yourselves. I have discovered there are

not

> many of in this world who will take the time or the effort this

> entails.

>

> I have found out, because of my own determination to get a test Bee

> suggested (24 hour urine), that my osteo is called hypocalciuria.

It

> is the throwing off of calcium by the kidneys, instead of it being

> taken up into the bones. According to my NP the worst thing I can

do

> is take supplemental calcium. Instead, if I keep my calcium intake

to

> around 400 mg from food a day my bones should heal a lot in about a

> year and a half. They will heal faster if I am put on a mild

> duiretic, but I prefer to be treated a more natural way if that is

> possible. Any suggestions?

>

> When I got the results of my bone scan my NP wanted my to start

> Fosamax and take more calcium and magnesium. She was surprised and

a

> little upset,when I resisted the Fosamax. Now it turns out that was

> not what I needed at all, in fact more cal/mag made me very ill. I

> never even considered the Fosamx.

> My NP made the comment, " It took a lot of testing, but we found out

> what the problem was? " Yes, we found out because I asked for the

> tests. Two tests dosen't seem like all that many to me! I will say

> she has been very willing to let me get the testing, even the extra

> adrenal check up which proved my adrenals are doing fine. Thank

> goodness she would listen to me. I am grateful.

>

> Now I am researching more about this condition, hypocalciuria. I

want

> to know why, if that is possible, this has happened to my body.

> What's up with my kidneys?If any of you have a clues for anatural

> treatment please pass it along.

>

> I am now wondering if the Cal-Ma plus is the way to go. Of course I

> purchased some and had just opened the bottle when my NP called

> (Gumpherson's Law at work here!)It contains 170 of calcium, which

is

> almost half of what I should be getting in a day.

>

> Over the last few years many of you have helped me with health,

herbs

> and food questions. I have greatly appreciated your kind emotional

> support and your well founded nutritional advice. I thank you very

> much.

>

> May you all have a wonderful hoiday time and a very happy new year.

>

> I hope you will keep giving yourself the gift of self health

> protection through seeking knowledge and eating the NT way. It

really

> pays off!

>

> Sheila

>

>

>

>

>