Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 In a message dated 12/18/03 1:51:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaltak@... writes: > And what about Seventh Day Adventists who refrain from eating pork or, all > meats, for religious reasons? The only article I've read by a SDAist advocating vegetarianism promoted it purely for social reasons. That said, there are literally thousands of groups that call themselves Christian and even more that use Christ within their mythology somehow, but by any reasonable standard you can't use one of them to define what constitutes " judeo-christian hocus pocus. " Especially since Christianity is almost 2000 years old, and there is a wealth of documents that reveal quite clearly the Christian attitude towards foods. The accepted biblical canon says explicitly in numerous different documents that the forbidding of any food is forbidden, and also predicts the coming of pseudo-Christian sects that will forbid certain foods. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Please tell us where this can be found. Chapter, verse, etc. I'm not doubting you I would just like to know. And if you are interested I am not Christian. Judith Alta -----Original Message----- In a message dated 12/18/03 1:51:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaltak@... writes: > And what about Seventh Day Adventists who refrain from eating pork or, all > meats, for religious reasons? The only article I've read by a SDAist advocating vegetarianism promoted it purely for social reasons. That said, there are literally thousands of groups that call themselves Christian and even more that use Christ within their mythology somehow, but by any reasonable standard you can't use one of them to define what constitutes " judeo-christian hocus pocus. " Especially since Christianity is almost 2000 years old, and there is a wealth of documents that reveal quite clearly the Christian attitude towards foods. The accepted biblical canon says explicitly in numerous different documents that the forbidding of any food is forbidden, and also predicts the coming of pseudo-Christian sects that will forbid certain foods. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 > And what about Seventh Day Adventists who refrain from eating pork or, all > meats, for religious reasons? > > Judith Alta ----Judith, I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist, but I knew one once, and asked him about this very issue. I was concerned about the legalism of forbidding animal foods as part of their religious tradition. He said that vegetarianism, while encouraged and a wide spread practice among their congregations, was not a religious requirement to be a Seventh Day Adventist. They believed it was the best way because they believed animals were not eaten before the Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden (perhaps this was true... but I still don't think it's a good argument for vegetarianism ). I agreed that it is not legalism as long as eating no meat is not a measure of who is " more spiritual " , and is mandated by the church. Whether or not individuals live up the this is a matter that is between them and God, however. I suspect the social and spiritual pressure to be a veg. if you are a Seventh Day Adventist is high. On a personal note, my body requires animal meat and fat to be healthy. I can't imagine our bodies would need it if it wasn't " spiritual " to eat it. Not exactly a strong scientific OR religious argument... but it works for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 > Please tell us where this can be found. Chapter, verse, etc. I'm not > doubting you I would just like to know. > > And if you are interested I am not Christian. ----Judith, unfortunately my bible is in the car (which my husband has right now), otherwise I could give you chaper and verse. Unless someone else chimes in first, I'll post the info when I get a chance to look it up later. I just wanted to add that, though I'm a Christian, I didn't intend my previous posts to be proseletyzing in any way. Just thought I could clear things up. The last thing I want to do is start a huge religious debate on this list! I'd rather talk about food! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 It is in Leviticus 11 (the whole chapter) When I was in nursing school we talked about the Leviticus Laws and on a whole they have ryhme and reason such as seperate bowls for meat and other items (as if you think of clay or other material bowls....they would have cross contamination) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: " kristenchavez " <kristenchavez@...> > ----Judith, unfortunately my bible is in the car (which my husband has right > now), otherwise I could give you chaper and verse. Unless someone else > chimes in first, I'll post the info when I get a chance to look it up later. There are numerous searchable bibles on the Web. Here's the first hit I got from Google: http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 , Thank you for your comments. Very interesting. One thing, more than any other, that convinces me that humans were meant to eat animals is the fact that the essential nutrient, Vitamin B-12, in a form the body can use, us only found in animals. Why would such a necessary nutrient not be available from plants in a form we can use if we were intended to be vegan? My contact with the SD Adventists was through my father's mother and her other two children. Dad did not follow her path. She lived with my parents from the time I started school until her death after my marriage. Grandma would eat any meat except pork. Judith Alta Re: Non-traditional meats --- In , " Judith Alta K " <jaltak@v...> wrote: > And what about Seventh Day Adventists who refrain from eating pork or, all > meats, for religious reasons? > > Judith Alta ----Judith, I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist, but I knew one once, and asked him about this very issue. I was concerned about the legalism of forbidding animal foods as part of their religious tradition. He said that vegetarianism, while encouraged and a wide spread practice among their congregations, was not a religious requirement to be a Seventh Day Adventist. They believed it was the best way because they believed animals were not eaten before the Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden (perhaps this was true... but I still don't think it's a good argument for vegetarianism ). I agreed that it is not legalism as long as eating no meat is not a measure of who is " more spiritual " , and is mandated by the church. Whether or not individuals live up the this is a matter that is between them and God, however. I suspect the social and spiritual pressure to be a veg. if you are a Seventh Day Adventist is high. On a personal note, my body requires animal meat and fat to be healthy. I can't imagine our bodies would need it if it wasn't " spiritual " to eat it. Not exactly a strong scientific OR religious argument... but it works for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 , No proselytizing that I can see. Just a discussion of why some people may not eat meat. Comparing religious practices is in no way offensive to me. Enjoy! ;-) Judith Alta -----Original Message----- --- In , " Judith Alta K " <jaltak@v...> wrote: > Please tell us where this can be found. Chapter, verse, etc. I'm not > doubting you I would just like to know. > > And if you are interested I am not Christian. ----Judith, unfortunately my bible is in the car (which my husband has right now), otherwise I could give you chaper and verse. Unless someone else chimes in first, I'll post the info when I get a chance to look it up later. I just wanted to add that, though I'm a Christian, I didn't intend my previous posts to be proseletyzing in any way. Just thought I could clear things up. The last thing I want to do is start a huge religious debate on this list! I'd rather talk about food! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 I remember reading it many years ago, but had no idea where to look for it. Thank you, Judith Alta -----Original Message----- It is in Leviticus 11 (the whole chapter) When I was in nursing school we talked about the Leviticus Laws and on a whole they have ryhme and reason such as seperate bowls for meat and other items (as if you think of clay or other material bowls....they would have cross contamination) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 --- In , " Berg " <bberg@c...> wrote: > There are numerous searchable bibles on the Web. Here's the first hit I > got from Google: > Thanks, : 1 Corinthians 8 8But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. 9Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. Paraphrase: restricting certain foods doesn't make us more spiritual of more worthy of God's love and approval. However, if someone struggles with addictions to certain foods, or thinks a certain food is " sinful " , it is better to abstain from that food in his/her presence. Also note the word " freedom " . Christian freedom is a big part of the new covenant. It is clear Christians are free to partake of all foods (moderation is a different issue) as long as they are respectful of others in doing so. BTW, I found the search site unwieldy, and I couldn't figure out how to cut and paste multiple verses... I know there are better verses to address this issue of food restriction, but this one is a decent example in the meantime. I tried to get more, but when I went back to copy more examples, I would lose my message and have to start from scratch. Phew, how did we get here from eating horse meat? Again, I don't want to offend anyone with all the God-talk. I just wanted to address the questions and concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 --- In , " Berg " <bberg@c...> wrote: > > There are numerous searchable bibles on the Web. Here's the first > hit I got from Google: > > http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible A really good one is at http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Guess this is pretty specific: Romans 14:2 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. (if a bit wordy....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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