Re: Mark Purdey on Mad Cow

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Quoting ChrisMasterjohn@...:

> bberg@... writes:

> > By the way, no serious researcher is claiming that anyone who eats meat

> > containing BSE prions will always get nvCJD. In the British outbreak,

> > there were millions of people potentially exposed to meat from infected

> > cows, and fewer than 150 people died. The general consensus seems to be

> > that the vast majority of people who consume BSE prions will not

> develop

> > nvCJD.

>

> So what is your opinion on Mark Purdy's research?

I haven't really researched the issue enough to form an informed position.

Both hypotheses seem plausible from what I know about biochemistry in

general--beyond that it's just a question of where the preponderance of

evidence points.

> And what is your

> estimation of the reason(s) it seems the mainstream is ignoring it?

Because he's not a licensed and bonded scienceologist, maybe? I think part

of the reason that alternative viewpoints tend not to get much attention

from the scientific community is that there's just so much quackery out

there that they can't possibly investigate every one of them. I've also

heard--though I'm not sure if it's true--that others have tried and failed

to duplicate Purdey's findings. By the way, wasn't Prince pushing

for research into this hypothesis a year or two ago?

--

Berg

bberg@...

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--- Berg <bberg@...> wrote: > ----- >

In the

> British outbreak,

> there were millions of people potentially exposed to

> meat from infected

> cows, and fewer than 150 people died. The general

> consensus seems to be

> that the vast majority of people who consume BSE

> prions will not develop

> nvCJD.

From what I understand, the rate of human CJD

infection in the UK has not risen above the

international average rate, ever, despite the increase

in BSE in cows. I'm afraid I don't have a source for

this, but the person I heard it from is a source I

trust and who is well read/researched in these things.

Jo

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> By the way, wasn't Prince pushing

>for research into this hypothesis a year or two ago?

- As I understand it, Prince showed strong interest

in Mark Purdey's work and sent for him to have a personal talk.

before such a talk happened, however, the Prince's 'handlers' got

into the act and the appointment was cancelled.

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> That doesn't seem relevant to me. The question

> should be whether there has

> been an increase *in Britain* of CJD that

> corresponds to the increase in BSE

> with any proportionality.

I don't believe there has been an increase, but I have

been unable to find the figures on it. THe person who

I got this information from has access to info which I

don't have access to

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Here's a link that talks about the interest Prince has:

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%

2F01%2F13%2Fncjd13.xml

I didn't realize it, but HRH has an organic farm.

--- In , Allan Balliett <igg@i...>

wrote:

> > By the way, wasn't Prince pushing

> >for research into this hypothesis a year or two ago?

>

>

> - As I understand it, Prince showed strong interest

> in Mark Purdey's work and sent for him to have a personal talk.

> before such a talk happened, however, the Prince's 'handlers' got

> into the act and the appointment was cancelled.

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I hope you can make that long link work. Here is a link to a

different story, which gives more general background:

http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/times%20mag%20Brig%20Mark.htm

> > > By the way, wasn't Prince pushing

> > >for research into this hypothesis a year or two ago?

> >

> >

> > - As I understand it, Prince showed strong

interest

> > in Mark Purdey's work and sent for him to have a personal talk.

> > before such a talk happened, however, the Prince's 'handlers' got

> > into the act and the appointment was cancelled.

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Thanks for these good links,.

It is my understanding that there is more accurate information at

Mark's page www.markpurdey.com than there is at his brother's. I only

hold this opinion because Mark passed it on to me. I assume it is ok

to pass it on to others ;-)

-Allan

>I hope you can make that long link work. Here is a link to a

>different story, which gives more general background:

>

>http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/times%20mag%20Brig%20Mark.htm

>

>

>

>

>

>> > > By the way, wasn't Prince pushing

>> > >for research into this hypothesis a year or two ago?

>> >

>> >

>> > - As I understand it, Prince showed strong

>interest

>> > in Mark Purdey's work and sent for him to have a personal talk.

>> > before such a talk happened, however, the Prince's 'handlers' got

>> > into the act and the appointment was cancelled.

>

>

>

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Hi Allan,

You're right. I couldn't remember Mark's other site's URL, but here

it is:

http://www.markpurdey.com

And here's a recent article that discusses the Washington state

situation:

http://www.markpurdey.com/the_magnetics_of_madness.htm

> >> > > By the way, wasn't Prince pushing

> >> > >for research into this hypothesis a year or two ago?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > - As I understand it, Prince showed strong

> >interest

> >> > in Mark Purdey's work and sent for him to have a personal

talk.

> >> > before such a talk happened, however, the Prince's 'handlers'

got

> >> > into the act and the appointment was cancelled.

> >

> >

> >

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In support of your valid question here's an interesting article

" Scientist: 'Mad Cow' May Not Cause Human Illness "

http://www.mercola.com/2001/oct/24/mad_cow.htm

Mad cow disease and the illness thought to be its human equivalent

may not be linked after all.

Venters, an expert in public health medicine in Hamilton,

Scotland, believes the rogue prion brain protein that causes mad cow

disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), does not cause

new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD) -- a degenerative brain

disease found in humans.

Venters said he does not believe that the evidence now available

casts serious doubts on the case for a causal link between bovine

spongiform encephalopathy and new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease

and that the epidemiological evidence just doesn't stack up.

The link between the animal and human brain-wasting diseases is open

to question, he added, because it does not meet criteria used by

scientists to assess a link between cause and effect for disease.

When you apply them to the case of BSE causing vCJD, the evidence is

weak. A telling point is the number and pattern of cases detected is

different from what you usually find in epidemics caused by eating

contaminated food.

British scientists first identified vCJD in 1996 and suggested eating

meat infected with BSE was the cause. The condition causes

degeneration of the victim's brain tissue and eventual death.

But Venters said there is no direct evidence that the prion

responsible for BSE and other animal diseases is infectious in

humans.

Prions in animals and humans are different, he argues, and humans do

not get other animal prion diseases such as scrapie -- found in

sheep -- from eating lamb.

Also, ingestion is an inefficient route of transmission of prions

other than by cannibalism. Infection of humans from eating the bovine

spongiform encephalopathy prion is therefore unlikely.

In a report in the British Medical Journal, Venters listed other

inconsistencies including the relatively small number of cases of

vCJD, lack of details about exposure to the infectious agent and the

pattern of infection, which does not fit in with other food-borne

diseases.

If vCJD is caused by eating beef contaminated with BSE, Venters said

the number of cases should be much higher than the 100 or so

confirmed cases reported so far.

Bee

> In a message dated 1/2/04 7:20:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> jopollack2001@y... writes:

>

> > From what I understand, the rate of human CJD

> > infection in the UK has not risen above the

> > international average rate, ever, despite the increase

> > in BSE in cows. I'm afraid I don't have a source for

> > this, but the person I heard it from is a source I

> > trust and who is well read/researched in these things.

>

> That doesn't seem relevant to me. The question should be whether

there has

> been an increase *in Britain* of CJD that corresponds to the

increase in BSE

> with any proportionality.

>

> Chris

>

>

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