Re: brushing with no toothpaste

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>I've been doing it for a few months now. YOu generate

>enough saliva while brushing that there is plenty of

>fluid in the mouth, and rinsing the brush regularly

>leaves a fresh feeling in your mouth. You just get

>used to it. ~ Jo

I used to do that too but brushed too much and wore some of the enamel off my

teeth. I brushed until they felt smooth and clean, till the plaque was too much

but evidently that was too much.

Filippa

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In a message dated 12/24/03 4:49:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jopollack2001@... writes:

> --- Filippa <filippa91@...> wrote: >

> >I used to do that too but brushed too much and wore

> >some of the enamel off my teeth. I brushed until

> >they felt smooth and clean, till the plaque was too

> >much but evidently that was too much.

> >

>

> But isn't that how we're meant to brush our teeth,

> until they are clean? I do that either with or

> without toothpaste. Otherwise, what's the point in

> brushing if you still leave all the fur in place?

>

> Also, what do you mean by " ...till the plaque was too

> much " ?

Wow, that's funny! When I read Fillipa's post, I read that sentence as " till

the plaque was gone but evidently that was too much, " and didn't realize what

it actually said till I read Jo's response!

Anyway, brushing your teeth is bad for your teeth, though the cleanliness

provides certain benefits. In order to maximize the benefits and minimize the

harm you need to never brush for more than 2 minutes and never use a tooth brush

that is " medium " or tougher. Always use a soft, or, preferably, an

ultrasoft. Medium's will wreck your enamel.

Chris

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--- Filippa <filippa91@...> wrote: >

> I used to do that too but brushed too much and wore

> some of the enamel off my teeth. I brushed until

> they felt smooth and clean, till the plaque was too

> much but evidently that was too much.

>

But isn't that how we're meant to brush our teeth,

until they are clean? I do that either with or

without toothpaste. Otherwise, what's the point in

brushing if you still leave all the fur in place?

Also, what do you mean by " ...till the plaque was too

much " ?

Jo

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Jo -

>But isn't that how we're meant to brush our teeth,

>until they are clean? I do that either with or

>without toothpaste. Otherwise, what's the point in

>brushing if you still leave all the fur in place?

Well that's what I thought but I wore away the enamel and have got sensitive

grooves now. Maybe my technique was wrong. The dentist said I was brushing too

much. I remember my stepmother being told the same thing.

>Also, what do you mean by " ...till the plaque was too

much " ?

I think I was off with the fairies when I wrote that. I meant to say till the

plaque was gone, till my teeth felt smooth and shiny :-)

- Filippa

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wrote:

>Wow, that's funny! When I read Fillipa's post, I read that >sentence as " till

the plaque was gone but evidently that was too >much, " and didn't realize what

it actually said till I read Jo's >response!

heh heh, as I said I was off with the fairies. Glad you knew what I meant!!

>Anyway, brushing your teeth is bad for your teeth, though the >cleanliness

provides certain benefits. In order to maximize the >benefits and minimize the

harm you need to never brush for more >than 2 minutes and never use a tooth

brush that is " medium " or >tougher. Always use a soft, or, preferably, an

ultrasoft. >Medium's will wreck your enamel.

I agree. The dentist who told me this technique of no toothpaste said a couple

of minutes. But mine never felt clean by then. Also I used to read while I was

doing it and it's easy to lose track of time. Now I use a small head, soft

bristled brush.

- Filippa

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> Well that's what I thought but I wore away the

> enamel and have got sensitive grooves now. Maybe my

> technique was wrong. The dentist said I was

> brushing too much. I remember my stepmother being

> told the same thing.

So, at what point does one stop brushing? I brush for

about 2 mins at night, and 1 min or less in the

morning. Right now I'm using a medium brush, but very

gently, and intend to switch to soft. A toothbrush

typically lasts me 6 monhts or so before the bristles

spread out. My teeth are always smooth when I finish.

I can't imagine using a bar of soap as toothpaste - on

the odd occasion when I have accidentally tasted soap,

I have gagged on the taste!

Jo

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try handmade soap. The lady I get my raw dairy from makes milk soaps that are

delicious, I especially like her honey and oatmeal bar. Amy

Re: brushing with no toothpaste

> Well that's what I thought but I wore away the

> enamel and have got sensitive grooves now. Maybe my

> technique was wrong. The dentist said I was

> brushing too much. I remember my stepmother being

> told the same thing.

So, at what point does one stop brushing? I brush for

about 2 mins at night, and 1 min or less in the

morning. Right now I'm using a medium brush, but very

gently, and intend to switch to soft. A toothbrush

typically lasts me 6 monhts or so before the bristles

spread out. My teeth are always smooth when I finish.

I can't imagine using a bar of soap as toothpaste - on

the odd occasion when I have accidentally tasted soap,

I have gagged on the taste!

Jo

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Amy Lee Waters " <amyleewaters@...>

> try handmade soap. The lady I get my raw dairy from makes milk soaps

that are delicious, I especially like her honey and oatmeal bar. Amy

I have trouble seeing how any true soap could taste good. Isn't the

taste one generally associates with soap the taste of the metal/fatty

acid salts which make soap soap? Do you know what she puts in it?

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The main ingredient is goats milk, then lard, lye, coconut oil, olive oil, and

honey and steel cut oats. I have to keep it put up high or my two year old will

just stuff it in her mouth.

Amy

Re: brushing with no toothpaste

----- Original Message -----

From: " Amy Lee Waters " <amyleewaters@...>

> try handmade soap. The lady I get my raw dairy from makes milk soaps

that are delicious, I especially like her honey and oatmeal bar. Amy

I have trouble seeing how any true soap could taste good. Isn't the

taste one generally associates with soap the taste of the metal/fatty

acid salts which make soap soap? Do you know what she puts in it?

[Guest guest]

>> try handmade soap. The lady I get my raw dairy from >>makes milk soaps

>>that are delicious, I especially like her honey and >>oatmeal bar. Amy

>I have trouble seeing how any true soap could taste >good. Isn't the

>taste one generally associates with soap the taste of >the metal/fatty

>acid salts which make soap soap? Do you know what she >puts in it?

>>The main ingredient is goats milk, then lard, lye, >>coconut oil, olive oil,

and honey and steel cut oats. >>I have to keep it put up high or my two year

old will >>just stuff it in her mouth.

>>Amy

Her fat lye ratio is only enough to cover the lard,

The coconut oil, olive oil, and gouts milk are for over fattening the soap.

(so that it will not dry out your skin, over fatting is also done for shampoo

bars) Things like color, smells, and things added for sink health, are added

last, but will be of no use if the soap is not over in fat.

But if the soap steel has a taste then you need to worry about it becoming

rancid (It can get hot here so that may be more of a worry for me then you)

You may want to refrigerate your soap.

If there is a metallic twang to the taste of the soap then the lye was a little

higher then the fat. And there was probably some soda ash on the soap that had

to be cut off.

If you are going to put the soap in your mouth I would us an over fattened soap.

You do not want to swallow any lye. I have been told that it can cause stomach

cancer

Krickett

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In a message dated 1/1/04 4:27:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

purple_tirza@... writes:

> So, do you brush your teeth? Do you have a recommendation for how to

> not need to? That would be ideal, of course...

>

> Lindsey

>

> --- In , ChrisMasterjohn@a... wrote>

> Anyway, brushing your teeth is bad for your teeth, though the

> cleanliness provides certain benefits.

I do brush my teeth. In the archives, the blotting method has been

discussed, but I don't know anything about it.

I simply would recommend using an extra soft or ultra soft toothbrush, and

not brushing more than two minutes. I wouldn't time it; I'd guess.

Chris

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So, do you brush your teeth? Do you have a recommendation for how to

not need to? That would be ideal, of course...

Lindsey

--- In , ChrisMasterjohn@a... wrote>

Anyway, brushing your teeth is bad for your teeth, though the

cleanliness provides certain benefits.

[Guest guest]

Dr. s (www.realhealthnews.com) recommends just rinsing with hydrogen

peroxide.

>So, do you brush your teeth? Do you have a recommendation for how to

>not need to? That would be ideal, of course...

>

>Lindsey

>

>--- In , ChrisMasterjohn@a... wrote>

>Anyway, brushing your teeth is bad for your teeth, though the

>cleanliness provides certain benefits.

>

[Guest guest]

Another interesting aspect of brushing teeth is this article at WAPF:

" The Invisible Toothbrush "

http://www.westonaprice.org/healthissues/toothbrush.html

With this introduction:

" One of the many risk factors for heart disease is poor dental

health. The root cause for both diseases is probably the same—

nutritional deficiencies, including deficiency of vitamin C. In this

article, Dr. Emmanuel Cheraskin presents evidence that serum vitamin

C levels are just as important as brushing for the prevention of

tooth decay. His research also explains why primitive peoples on

nutrient-dense diets have no tooth decay, in spite of the fact that

they do not brush their teeth. "

As well, I have often read that using a soft bristle toothbrush and

just dry brushing the teeth with no toothpaste or water removes

debris more effectively than using toothpaste or any other substance

on the brush. However if a person prefers to use a toothpaste like

substance a very good natural one is a combination of good salt and

baking soda, blended into a paste with a little water.

I have read at WAPF that some peoples studied by Dr. Price had very

healthy teeth and gums in spite of the green slime on them.

Cheers, Bee

--- In , " Filippa " <filippa91@y...>

wrote:

> >I've been doing it for a few months now. YOu generate

> >enough saliva while brushing that there is plenty of

> >fluid in the mouth, and rinsing the brush regularly

> >leaves a fresh feeling in your mouth. You just get

> >used to it. ~ Jo

>

>

> I used to do that too but brushed too much and wore some of the

enamel off my teeth. I brushed until they felt smooth and clean,

till the plaque was too much but evidently that was too much.

>

> Filippa

>

>

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In a message dated 1/2/04 8:30:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, beewilder@...

writes:

> I have read at WAPF that some peoples studied by Dr. Price had very

> healthy teeth and gums in spite of the green slime on them.

I agree. The reason I brush my teeth is almost entirely aesthetic. While

I'll never have perfect teeth due to childhood fluorisis (possibly

pryoluria-induced), though they've been " fixed " to some degree with much money

spent, I

think I-- and anyone else-- am more attractive the whiter my teeth are. I use

's toothpaste, which has whiteners that they claim are gentle.

Chris

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I love 's toothpastes too. My favorite is spearmint.

But I question a couple of the ingredients; sodium lauryl sulfate

(from coconut oil) - I heard that all SLS is absorbed systemically

and causes problems but I'm not familiar with the kind made from

coconut oil. Are you?

I also question the carrageenan. But of course the small amount that

may be absorbed is negligible.

I found another toothpaste which seems good " Doctor Burt's Lavendar

Mint. "

Bee

> In a message dated 1/2/04 8:30:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,

beewilder@s...

> writes:

>

> > I have read at WAPF that some peoples studied by Dr. Price had

very

> > healthy teeth and gums in spite of the green slime on them.

>

> I agree. The reason I brush my teeth is almost entirely

aesthetic. While

> I'll never have perfect teeth due to childhood fluorisis (possibly

> pryoluria-induced), though they've been " fixed " to some degree with

much money spent, I

> think I-- and anyone else-- am more attractive the whiter my teeth

are. I use

> 's toothpaste, which has whiteners that they claim are gentle.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

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In a message dated 1/3/04 11:01:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,

beewilder@... writes:

> I love 's toothpastes too. My favorite is spearmint.

> But I question a couple of the ingredients; sodium lauryl sulfate

> (from coconut oil) - I heard that all SLS is absorbed systemically

> and causes problems but I'm not familiar with the kind made from

> coconut oil. Are you?

I have no idea. I vaguely remember reading about it, but I remember it being

something that some people are sensitive too, not toxic. If you eat several

tbsp coconut oil a day, are you getting less than what you absorb brushing

your teeth?

> I also question the carrageenan. But of course the small amount that

> may be absorbed is negligible.

What's wrong with it? When I can't get raw, I use cream with carageenan in

it. I'm sure that's much more significant than my toothpaste.

>

> I found another toothpaste which seems good " Doctor Burt's Lavendar

> Mint. "

I got that in a travel pack recently. It seems like a good toothpaste,

though I don't care for the flavor.

Chris

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Ooow. You don't know about carageenan? I'm so sensitive to it that

I almost pass out from having that cream you talk about, only a

smidge in my coffee too. I looked it up and during the processing of

the seaweed it actually becomes just like MSG, which I can't tolerate

either.

Bee

> In a message dated 1/3/04 11:01:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> beewilder@s... writes:

>

> > I love 's toothpastes too. My favorite is

spearmint.

> > But I question a couple of the ingredients; sodium lauryl sulfate

> > (from coconut oil) - I heard that all SLS is absorbed

systemically

> > and causes problems but I'm not familiar with the kind made from

> > coconut oil. Are you?

>

> I have no idea. I vaguely remember reading about it, but I

remember it being

> something that some people are sensitive too, not toxic. If you

eat several

> tbsp coconut oil a day, are you getting less than what you absorb

brushing

> your teeth?

>

> > I also question the carrageenan. But of course the small amount

that

> > may be absorbed is negligible.

>

> What's wrong with it? When I can't get raw, I use cream with

carageenan in

> it. I'm sure that's much more significant than my toothpaste.

>

> >

> > I found another toothpaste which seems good " Doctor Burt's

Lavendar

> > Mint. "

>

> I got that in a travel pack recently. It seems like a good

toothpaste,

> though I don't care for the flavor.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

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In a message dated 1/3/04 10:17:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

beewilder@... writes:

> Ooow. You don't know about carageenan? I'm so sensitive to it that

> I almost pass out from having that cream you talk about, only a

> smidge in my coffee too. I looked it up and during the processing of

> the seaweed it actually becomes just like MSG, which I can't tolerate

> either.

Then that seems to be a matter of the sensitivity of the individual as well.

It doesn't bother me one bit.

Chris

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In a message dated 1/4/04 2:09:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Carageenan is also used in lab experiments to induce ulcerative cholitis in

>

> rats.

,

Even if most if it were absorbed from toothpaste into the blood, wouldn't it

need to pass through the digestive tract to produce cholitis?

Chris

[Guest guest]

Bee-

Carageenan is also used in lab experiments to induce ulcerative cholitis in

rats.

>You don't know about carageenan?

-

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/4/04 6:19:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

> I was referring to the cream you sometimes buy which has carageenan.

>

> >Even if most if it were absorbed from toothpaste into the blood, wouldn't

> it

> >need to pass through the digestive tract to produce cholitis?

I'll look into it and consider not buying it then. Would you consider

carageenan in toothpaste a concern for any reason?

Chris

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Chris-

I was referring to the cream you sometimes buy which has carageenan.

>Even if most if it were absorbed from toothpaste into the blood, wouldn't it

>need to pass through the digestive tract to produce cholitis?

-

[Guest guest]

Chris-

I have heard from some people in bad shape, intestinally speaking (e.g.

some of those making slow progress healing from ulcerative cholitis) who

are bothered by it, but since the quantity absorbed is so much less than

when it's in food, it would seem to be safe for the vast majority of

people. That said, since you're having at least a little bit of ongoing

digestive trouble, maybe there's no reason not to figure better safe than

sorry. Little tiny insults to the health can add up fast for people who

aren't in robust shape.

>Would you consider

>carageenan in toothpaste a concern for any reason?

-

[Guest guest]

no, it's probably negligible and doesn't actually get eaten,

however it is absorbed in the mouth. But I've had a hard time

finding a toothpaste without carageenan in it.

Bee

> In a message dated 1/4/04 6:19:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Idol@c... writes:

>

> > I was referring to the cream you sometimes buy which has

carageenan.

> >

> > >Even if most if it were absorbed from toothpaste into the blood,

wouldn't

> > it

> > >need to pass through the digestive tract to produce cholitis?

>

> I'll look into it and consider not buying it then. Would you

consider

> carageenan in toothpaste a concern for any reason?

>

> Chris

>

>

>