Re: Mad Cow

[Guest guest]

>The fact is that the UK authorities recon that about 1/3 of tonsil removal

>sets in the UK is contaminated with the proton that lead to the disease.

>They do not know how to figure out how many people is infectedsince it might

>take 20+ years to develop and it it is carried from mother to

>child(genetically) because it attach to the mitochondrial chromosomes.

>Francois

Hi,

Then exposure to mad cow disease can cause a genetic mutation? That is

horribly frightening! I'm waiting for muscle biopsy results for mito

disorder and specialist did speak of mutations and acquired mito damage from

toxins in those with no family history. I have late onset and have thought

that my problems were from enrivonment somehow - as yet (and probably

never), to be determined. My children also show signs. Thanks for this post.

Take care,

Christie

[Guest guest]

Being a " newbie " on this list looks like I have the right place for an

education with CFS, Fibro & MCS.

Please tell me what mito disorder is,

also what treatment is HBOT?

Thank you.

josiefour@...

Springfield, Illinois

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/21/01 1:44:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

binklg@... writes:

<< Oh man! One more thing to worry about!!! Never even thought about mad

cow disease.

>>

I'd rather Mad cow disease at 15% bodyfat than at 30%! LOL!

Seriously, this is the last thing I'm going to worry about. Probably have a

better chance of getting struck by lightening - TWICE.

[Guest guest]

Oh man! One more thing to worry about!!! Never even thought about mad cow

disease.

>>> <dianne_usa@...> 03/21/01 11:24AM >>>

[Guest guest]

*Mooooooooo* *froth* *froth*

Oh man! One more thing to worry about!!! Never even thought about mad cow disease.

[Guest guest]

Here is the actual AP Wire news story

U.S. Sheep Seized in Mad Cow Scare

By WILSON RING

Associated Press Writer

GREENSBORO, Vt. (AP) — Federal agents seized a Vermont farmer's flock

of 234 sheep Wednesday for fear they are infected with a version of

mad cow disease — the first such action ever taken against livestock

in the United States.

The U.S. Agriculture Department ``has no choice but to take this

decisive action based on the threat the sheep pose to the health of

America's livestock nationwide,'' said Craig , administrator of

USDA's animal and plant health inspection service.

A team of federal agents and agriculture officials arrived at

Houghton Freeman's farm at daybreak. Two cattle trucks were loaded up

by 11 a.m. and will take the sheep to Iowa, where they will be tested

and destroyed.

Freeman and another farmer had waged a court battle to save their

sheep after the Agriculture Department ordered the flocks seized last

July.

The flocks consisted of sheep that were either imported from Belgium

in 1996 or were descendants of those animals.

The seizure went peacefully, but Amidon, a lawyer for Freeman,

called it ``sad, depressing and a rushed judgment.''

``This is so unnecessary,'' he said.

USDA spokesman Ed Curlett said the seizure was the first of any cow

or sheep in the United States under suspicion of having an illness

related to mad cow disease.

The USDA has said four sheep from Freeman's flock showed signs of

transmissible spongiform encephalopathy, a class of neurological

diseases that includes both bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or mad

cow disease, and scrapie, a sheep disease not harmful to humans. The

government said the sheep may have been exposed through contaminated

European feed.

However, the USDA tests could not confirm whether the sheep have BSE.

The animals will undergo further testing at a USDA lab in Ames, Iowa.

There have been no confirmed cases of mad cow disease in the United

States. Scrapie has been in the United States since at least 1947.

The sheep are highly unusual and valuable East Friesians. They were

not being raised for their wool or their meat, but for their rich

milk, used in making exotic cheeses.

The Vermont Health Department asked the sheep owners to stop selling

the cheese last July. In Europe, there has been no evidence that mad

cow disase can be spread through milk.

The second disputed flock of about 140 sheep is owned by Larry and

Faillace of East Warren. No date has been set to take their

sheep.

Faillace said Wednesday she felt ``anger, frustration,

disbelief'' and accused the USDA of failing to heed science.

``That's what makes us so angry. USDA builds up public hysteria over

a species that doesn't get the disease,'' she said.

The human version of BSE, which like the animal version has a long

incubation period, has killed almost 100 people in Britain and other

European countries since 1995. The scare has virtually wiped out the

British beef industry.

After losing their case in U.S. District Court in February, the

Faillaces and Freeman appealed and asked that the seizure order be

put on hold until the case had worked its way through the courts. An

appeals court refused to stay the seizure but said it would hear the

case.

The farmers also sought help from the Vermont's congressional

delegation, but all three members stood by the USDA.

``Too little is yet known about this disease, but we do know that it

is deadly and that it has the potential to spread quickly, widely and

insidiously if not handled early,'' Sens. Leahy and

Jeffords and Rep. Bernard said in a statement.

The Vermont Farm Bureau also supported the animals' destruction.

``The more you look into it, the more you realize it's not a perfect

world, and the science isn't perfect, the risk isn't worth it, and

you move on,'' said the bureau's president, Hinsdale.

The USDA offered the farmers up to $2.4 million for their flocks last

year, but they refused, deciding instead to continue their court

fight. USDA veterinarian Dr. Detwiler said the farmers will be

compensated for the fair market value of their sheep.

While the seizure was a first, a flock of 21 sheep from the same

family of sheep was voluntarily turned over to government officials

last summer by their Vermont owner and were destroyed.

———

On the Net:

USDA Web site on this issue:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/oa/tse/index.html

[Guest guest]

Here is the actual AP Wire news story

U.S. Sheep Seized in Mad Cow Scare

By WILSON RING

Associated Press Writer

GREENSBORO, Vt. (AP) — Federal agents seized a Vermont farmer's flock

of 234 sheep Wednesday for fear they are infected with a version of

mad cow disease — the first such action ever taken against livestock

in the United States.

The U.S. Agriculture Department ``has no choice but to take this

decisive action based on the threat the sheep pose to the health of

America's livestock nationwide,'' said Craig , administrator of

USDA's animal and plant health inspection service.

A team of federal agents and agriculture officials arrived at

Houghton Freeman's farm at daybreak. Two cattle trucks were loaded up

by 11 a.m. and will take the sheep to Iowa, where they will be tested

and destroyed.

Freeman and another farmer had waged a court battle to save their

sheep after the Agriculture Department ordered the flocks seized last

July.

The flocks consisted of sheep that were either imported from Belgium

in 1996 or were descendants of those animals.

The seizure went peacefully, but Amidon, a lawyer for Freeman,

called it ``sad, depressing and a rushed judgment.''

``This is so unnecessary,'' he said.

USDA spokesman Ed Curlett said the seizure was the first of any cow

or sheep in the United States under suspicion of having an illness

related to mad cow disease.

The USDA has said four sheep from Freeman's flock showed signs of

transmissible spongiform encephalopathy, a class of neurological

diseases that includes both bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or mad

cow disease, and scrapie, a sheep disease not harmful to humans. The

government said the sheep may have been exposed through contaminated

European feed.

However, the USDA tests could not confirm whether the sheep have BSE.

The animals will undergo further testing at a USDA lab in Ames, Iowa.

There have been no confirmed cases of mad cow disease in the United

States. Scrapie has been in the United States since at least 1947.

The sheep are highly unusual and valuable East Friesians. They were

not being raised for their wool or their meat, but for their rich

milk, used in making exotic cheeses.

The Vermont Health Department asked the sheep owners to stop selling

the cheese last July. In Europe, there has been no evidence that mad

cow disase can be spread through milk.

The second disputed flock of about 140 sheep is owned by Larry and

Faillace of East Warren. No date has been set to take their

sheep.

Faillace said Wednesday she felt ``anger, frustration,

disbelief'' and accused the USDA of failing to heed science.

``That's what makes us so angry. USDA builds up public hysteria over

a species that doesn't get the disease,'' she said.

The human version of BSE, which like the animal version has a long

incubation period, has killed almost 100 people in Britain and other

European countries since 1995. The scare has virtually wiped out the

British beef industry.

After losing their case in U.S. District Court in February, the

Faillaces and Freeman appealed and asked that the seizure order be

put on hold until the case had worked its way through the courts. An

appeals court refused to stay the seizure but said it would hear the

case.

The farmers also sought help from the Vermont's congressional

delegation, but all three members stood by the USDA.

``Too little is yet known about this disease, but we do know that it

is deadly and that it has the potential to spread quickly, widely and

insidiously if not handled early,'' Sens. Leahy and

Jeffords and Rep. Bernard said in a statement.

The Vermont Farm Bureau also supported the animals' destruction.

``The more you look into it, the more you realize it's not a perfect

world, and the science isn't perfect, the risk isn't worth it, and

you move on,'' said the bureau's president, Hinsdale.

The USDA offered the farmers up to $2.4 million for their flocks last

year, but they refused, deciding instead to continue their court

fight. USDA veterinarian Dr. Detwiler said the farmers will be

compensated for the fair market value of their sheep.

While the seizure was a first, a flock of 21 sheep from the same

family of sheep was voluntarily turned over to government officials

last summer by their Vermont owner and were destroyed.

———

On the Net:

USDA Web site on this issue:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/oa/tse/index.html

[Guest guest]

Kit Keyes [kit.keyes@...] wrote:

> usually the source of protein is whey eggs or milk. Is mad cow transmitted

> through milk?

no one knows for sure. the cause is a prion which is basically a rogue protein.

there was one case I saw in the uk where a vegetarian got it. so its not out of

the realm of possiblity that any animal protein source may incorporate it.

Deus

[Guest guest]

Aloha, Dianne,

Yikes! That sounds pretty scary.

However, if one is using a soy protein powder, contamination with that virus

shouldn't be a concern, right? (PLEASE say that's right.)

So, please clarify for me if the possible contamination would come in whey.

If that's so, are you suggesting avoidance of whey products unless the

packaging specifies that it comes from dairies in North America?

I'm really interested in your reply.

Patti

[Guest guest]

For those who are interested, here is a link to an article written about

this disease and the possibility of it existing in the U.S.

http://www.pccnaturalmarkets.com/sc/0104/sc0104-madcow.html

Regards,

& Mike Ashby

http://www.cedarcreeksoap.com

mailto: mikeashby@...

[Guest guest]

Hi everybody I saw a documentary on Tv some time ago about a British Farmer who

taught himself some field in science. he had a theory that Mad cows disease was

caused by what your saying he went to a place in Romania and found a whole

village that had this disease , Hi magnesium levels were found in the soil. It

was a BBC programme .

john C

Uk

Hey Lou Ann,

There's some pretty interesting research showing that mad cow disease is

very closely related to manganese poisoning, occurring where intense levels

of manganese are found. Makes for a much neater explanation than all the

other stuff...yet, there's something about feeding cows and sheep meat

that's a bit out of order.

SaraLou

Re: new to list-Mercola patient

>

> > You can order bovine thyroid from nutrimeds - check out their

> website -

> > Armour has too much in it that is not natural

>

> I think I would steer clear (no pun intended) from bovine because of

> the " mad cow " factor.

> I'll ask my doctor about it next time I see him. What is in Armour

> that isn't natural? I thought that it was dessicated pork thyroid

> that included the range of thyroid hormones, not just T4 like

> Synthroid.

> Interesting that you would say that Armour isn't natural.

> Lou Ann

[Guest guest]

,

You're confusing us. Magnesium (not linked to mad cow) and manganese

(possibly linked to mad cow) are two very different minerals.

Celeste

Codling, wrote:

> Hi everybody I saw a documentary on Tv some time ago about a

British Farmer who taught himself some field in science. he had a

theory that Mad cows disease was caused by what your saying he went

to a place in Romania and found a whole village that had this

disease, Hi magnesium levels were found in the soil. It was a BBC

programme.

>

>

> SaraLou wrote:

> There's some pretty interesting research showing that mad cow

disease is

> very closely related to manganese poisoning, occurring where

intense levels

> of manganese are found.

[Guest guest]

you could be right It was one onf those linked to Mad cows

Sorry,

> Re: mad cow

>

> ,

>

> You're confusing us. Magnesium (not linked to mad cow) and manganese

> (possibly linked to mad cow) are two very different minerals.

>

> Celeste

>

> Codling, wrote:

> > Hi everybody I saw a documentary on Tv some time ago about a

> British Farmer who taught himself some field in science. he had a

> theory that Mad cows disease was caused by what your saying he went

> to a place in Romania and found a whole village that had this

> disease, Hi magnesium levels were found in the soil. It was a BBC

> programme.

> >

> >

> > SaraLou wrote:

> > There's some pretty interesting research showing that mad cow

> disease is

> > very closely related to manganese poisoning, occurring where

> intense levels

> > of manganese are found.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here's one of the many links regarding " alternative-to-government-pap "

theories.

http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/

hypothyroidism

http://www.bse.org.uk/

SaraLou

> Hey Lou Ann,

>

> There's some pretty interesting research showing that mad cow disease is

> very closely related to manganese poisoning, occurring where intense

levels

> of manganese are found. Makes for a much neater explanation than all the

> other stuff...yet, there's something about feeding cows and sheep meat

> that's a bit out of order.

>

> SaraLou

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/24/03 4:27:55 PM Central Standard Time,

writes:

> With the lone Mad Cow found in Oregon how does everyone feel about eating

> beef? In particular those of you in Oregon.

>

> --

>

>

Fine, 'specially seeing as I exactly what mine eat, or don't.

Belinda

[Guest guest]

-

>With the lone Mad Cow found in Oregon how does everyone feel about eating

>beef? In particular those of you in Oregon.

It doesn't make me feel very good about eating factory-farm beef, or beef

from depleted and pesticide-treated areas, but as I think Mark Purdey is

right about mad cow disease, I'm not worried about the beef I get from

organically raised pastured cows, though as always I wish I could find a

source grown on soil of the highest fertility.

-

[Guest guest]

<<I'm not worried about the beef I get from organically raised pastured cows,

though as always I wish I could find a source grown on soil of the highest

fertility.>>

,

IIRC, BSE was NEVER found in organically raised cattle here in the UK..!

Dedy

[Guest guest]

>It doesn't make me feel very good about eating factory-farm beef, or beef

>from depleted and pesticide-treated areas, but as I think Mark Purdey is

>right about mad cow disease, I'm not worried about the beef I get from

>organically raised pastured cows, though as always I wish I could find a

>source grown on soil of the highest fertility.

Excellent point, . Deficiencies are an issue across the board.

For example, hemlock trees are becoming endangered on the east coast

due to comprimised immune systems. The immunsystems are comprimised

because acid rain has changed the pH of the soils and because copper

is at a minimum in the soils (depleted) As a result, the trees pick

up aluminum instead of the minerals they really need to keep their

immune system effective. The result: a comprimised immune system nd a

week tree, easily invaded by pests.

A similar scenario led to the wasting disease in the mid-west a while

back. (I mentioned this in an earlier post.)

An example the other way: if soil is fully mineralized, toxic

substances will NOT be pulled into plants. They say that after the

fall out from Chernobyl moved across Europe, only vegetables in

biodynamic farms did not show residual radioactivity Why not? Because

the plants could always access EXACTLY the mineral they needed in

fully mineralized soils. In the depleted soils of conventional farms,

plants are 'hungry' and will pick up any molecule to and bring it

into their system in the hopes that it will fill a need. (This is not

an accurate description of this process, but, hopefully, you get the

idea.)

-Allan

[Guest guest]

My first question is: Did the cow have contact with organophosphate

insecticide?

After reading Mark Purdy's information I'm not overly worried and will

continue to eat beef.

Judith Alta

Mad Cow

With the lone Mad Cow found in Oregon how does everyone feel about eating

beef? In particular those of you in Oregon.

--

[Guest guest]

Just don't eat feed lot beef, or any meat from intensive

installations, or from any farm that maintains a MANURE LAGOON. You

can bet that BSE is only the first in a long chain of degenerative

diseases of potential contagion that we will see developed through

the extended abuse of natural systems. -Allan

>My first question is: Did the cow have contact with organophosphate

>insecticide?

>

>After reading Mark Purdy's information I'm not overly worried and will

>continue to eat beef.

>

>Judith Alta

>

> Mad Cow

>

>

>With the lone Mad Cow found in Oregon how does everyone feel about eating

>beef? In particular those of you in Oregon.

>

>--

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dedy-

So I've read, and I'm sure none of the grassfed beef I get poses any danger

either.

>IIRC, BSE was NEVER found in organically raised cattle here in the UK..!

-

[Guest guest]

-

Technically, everything written is protected by copyright, so no, you can't

post entire articles here without permission of the rights-holder (often

the author). Excerpts, however, and URLs, are always cool under fair use

protection, even though there are some who deny that fair use rights exist.

>To -- Is is cool to post articles from web sites that don't have a

>particular copyright statement? In this case, he has a premium content area

>of the site that he charges for, but the free areas don't have any

>copyright statement. I usually repost small pieces under " fair use " but

>have never really been sure how much that covers.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi folks....

it has long been known that mad cow has been in the U.S. cow herd for at least

250 years.

It is a natural cow disease that has been seen from time to time.

it has only reached the national conscience lately thanks to the U.K. and its

feeding problems, taught by the US a few years ago.

it is only another reason to know where your food comes from just as in e's,

TB, BGH ect ect.

A cow will not succomb to these problems if it resides close to its natural

environment nad is not under constant stress.

As for mad cow we have a report here that outlines a study in the early 60's of

a outbreak of mad cow symptoms in a mink ranchs here in wi.

They still have the brain samples of the minks at the UW Madison which were

rutienley fed downer cows and still are to this day.

So is it new , no. Is it a concern, only if you eat out of the commercial store

the ground up what ever they throw at you these days!!!!!!!!!!

Mad Cow

With the lone Mad Cow found in Oregon how does everyone feel about eating

beef? In particular those of you in Oregon.

--

[Guest guest]

Getting mad cow from eating beef would be impossible no matter how

bad the beef is. How can you get a nutrient deficiency from another

organism? A good source of info on the subject is:

http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/17/mad_cow_pesticides.htm

Happy holidays.

Bee

--- In , Allan Balliett <igg@i...>

wrote:

> Just don't eat feed lot beef, or any meat from intensive

> installations, or from any farm that maintains a MANURE LAGOON. You

> can bet that BSE is only the first in a long chain of degenerative

> diseases of potential contagion that we will see developed through

> the extended abuse of natural systems. -Allan

>

> >My first question is: Did the cow have contact with organophosphate

> >insecticide?

> >

> >After reading Mark Purdy's information I'm not overly worried and

will

> >continue to eat beef.

> >

> >Judith Alta

> >

> > Mad Cow

> >

> >

> >With the lone Mad Cow found in Oregon how does everyone feel about

eating

> >beef? In particular those of you in Oregon.

> >

> >--

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Bee.

Where is it? Shetland Islands I think, where the sheep have what is called

" scrapie, " a disease very similar to BSE. These people have been eating

potted sheep brains for years with no sign of it in humans.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

Getting mad cow from eating beef would be impossible no matter how

bad the beef is. How can you get a nutrient deficiency from another

organism? A good source of info on the subject is:

http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/17/mad_cow_pesticides.htm

Happy holidays.

Bee