Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Trichinosis if present is destroyed cooked well at 400 degrees. There's a Polish doctor, Jan Kwasienewski (sp.? ) who cures diabetes with pork. Its belived here Sally compromised on pork consumption in NT out of respect for Enig's Jewish ancestry. Mercola's looking at the fact that pigs are omnivores. Mine would kill and eat any of my free range chickens that flew into pig's fenced area. Chickens are omnivores too, pecking each other to death even. Some people are turned off by ground rooting which is more healthful than commercial non access. Your pigs are fine to eat. My thing as well, knowing what my food eats. We do have a biodynamic pastured pig raiser here Baillett who can help you more with raising than me. Definitely interested in pasturing pigs. Not something I've done or researched to feel sure of. Have you ever rendered lard? Help here with that too. If you have any extra meat or lard let me know offlist. Wanita > so, i've been wrestling with the pork question, and a friend said you guys > could help > > the research on pork seems to fall into three categories: > > douglass: pork is the perfect food (next to raw milk) if it just weren't > for trichinosis > > fallon: pork might or might not be ok, but lard is fine > > mercola: pork and lard is bad because pigs are scavengers, and therefore > it's difficult to know what the pork you're eating is made of. > > now, just before learning about NT, we bought three brandy new organic > piglets, and we raised them on a grass pasture and organic house slops. so, > does that mean we shouldn't worry about eating this pork, because i know > what they ate and it was good? or is pork still out? > > it's nearly butchering time, so what do you guys think? > > katja, in central vermont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 In a message dated 1/2/04 12:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, wanitawa@... writes: > Its > belived here Sally compromised on pork consumption in NT out of respect for > Enig's Jewish ancestry. Isn't that somewhat unreasonable, given that WAPF recommends shellfish as a superb food? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 In a message dated 1/2/04 4:59:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, heidis@... writes: > Pork is the meat closest to what humans are composed of. > Whether or not that is a good thing depends ... it means > we share more diseases with them (like flu perhaps!) and it > also means they might be more " ideal " nutritionally. Interesting. The two protein sources in the traditional highland New Guinea diet are pork and human flesh. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Yeah for good pork! If you decide not to eat it I'll pay to have it butchered and sent to Canada. LOL! Bee > so, i've been wrestling with the pork question, and a friend said you guys > could help > > the research on pork seems to fall into three categories: > > douglass: pork is the perfect food (next to raw milk) if it just weren't > for trichinosis > > fallon: pork might or might not be ok, but lard is fine > > mercola: pork and lard is bad because pigs are scavengers, and therefore > it's difficult to know what the pork you're eating is made of. > > now, just before learning about NT, we bought three brandy new organic > piglets, and we raised them on a grass pasture and organic house slops. so, > does that mean we shouldn't worry about eating this pork, because i know > what they ate and it was good? or is pork still out? > > it's nearly butchering time, so what do you guys think? > > katja, in central vermont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 In a message dated 1/2/04 5:33:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, katja@... writes: > ya know, i'm gonna skip the human flesh part and just go with the pork. > thanks, though. Thanks Katja. I'm not sure in what degree of proximity you live to me, but I do feel safer now. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 >douglass: pork is the perfect food (next to raw milk) if it just weren't >for trichinosis Pork is the meat closest to what humans are composed of. Whether or not that is a good thing depends ... it means we share more diseases with them (like flu perhaps!) and it also means they might be more " ideal " nutritionally. > mercola: pork and lard is bad because pigs are scavengers, and therefore >it's difficult to know what the pork you're eating is made of. Crabs are scavengers too, but they taste yummy ... Pigs do eat some nasty stuff, and traditionally in some cities they were kept in the streets to do garbage cleanup and provide meat for poor folks. >now, just before learning about NT, we bought three brandy new organic >piglets, and we raised them on a grass pasture and organic house slops. so, >does that mean we shouldn't worry about eating this pork, because i know >what they ate and it was good? or is pork still out? Sheesh, sounds ideal to me. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 thanks! this is just what i needed to know!! if anyone else has any pig raising advice, please feel free to chime in! these pigs are gloucestershire old spot, a heritage breed (all of our animals are heritage animals). since it was our first year with pigs, and since we wanted to move the gardens to a new location, we put the pigs into the new garden location and let them eat/root till their hearts content. two will go to slaughter real soon now, and the third we're keeping to breed (now that we feel ok about pork! ). at that point, i'm not sure what we'll do...we could put a humane ring in her nose i guess, but i don't really like that idea. we've been thinking that the hay and clover is pretty tenacious, and that if we rotate her through her pastures at a good rate, i think she can actually root without destroying the pasture. it'll be more work, and we'll certainly have to do some repair work each year to keep the grass growing, but it feels like the way to go... At 12:11 PM 1/2/2004, you wrote: >Trichinosis if present is destroyed cooked well at 400 degrees. There's a >Polish doctor, Jan Kwasienewski (sp.? ) who cures diabetes with pork. Its >belived here Sally compromised on pork consumption in NT out of respect for > Enig's Jewish ancestry. Mercola's looking at the fact that pigs are >omnivores. Mine would kill and eat any of my free range chickens that flew >into pig's fenced area. Chickens are omnivores too, pecking each other to >death even. Some people are turned off by ground rooting which is more >healthful than commercial non access. >Your pigs are fine to eat. My thing as well, knowing what my food eats. We >do have a biodynamic pastured pig raiser here Baillett who can help >you more with raising than me. Definitely interested in pasturing pigs. Not >something I've done or researched to feel sure of. Have you ever rendered >lard? Help here with that too. If you have any extra meat or lard let me >know offlist. > >Wanita > > > so, i've been wrestling with the pork question, and a friend said you guys > > could help > > > > the research on pork seems to fall into three categories: > > > > douglass: pork is the perfect food (next to raw milk) if it just weren't > > for trichinosis > > > > fallon: pork might or might not be ok, but lard is fine > > > > mercola: pork and lard is bad because pigs are scavengers, and therefore > > it's difficult to know what the pork you're eating is made of. > > > > now, just before learning about NT, we bought three brandy new organic > > piglets, and we raised them on a grass pasture and organic house slops. >so, > > does that mean we shouldn't worry about eating this pork, because i know > > what they ate and it was good? or is pork still out? > > > > it's nearly butchering time, so what do you guys think? > > > > katja, in central vermont > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 haha! well, wanita convinced me, and since i love bacon, you're out of luck. but if you can't find any good pork anywhere, we could prolly find a way to ship some At 12:35 PM 1/2/2004, you wrote: >Yeah for good pork! If you decide not to eat it I'll pay to have it >butchered and sent to Canada. LOL! > >Bee > > > so, i've been wrestling with the pork question, and a friend said >you guys > > could help > > > > the research on pork seems to fall into three categories: > > > > douglass: pork is the perfect food (next to raw milk) if it just >weren't > > for trichinosis > > > > fallon: pork might or might not be ok, but lard is fine > > > > mercola: pork and lard is bad because pigs are scavengers, and >therefore > > it's difficult to know what the pork you're eating is made of. > > > > now, just before learning about NT, we bought three brandy new >organic > > piglets, and we raised them on a grass pasture and organic house >slops. so, > > does that mean we shouldn't worry about eating this pork, because i >know > > what they ate and it was good? or is pork still out? > > > > it's nearly butchering time, so what do you guys think? > > > > katja, in central vermont > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 > now, just before learning about NT, we bought three brandy new organic > piglets, and we raised them on a grass pasture and organic house slops. so, > does that mean we shouldn't worry about eating this pork, because i know > what they ate and it was good? or is pork still out? > > it's nearly butchering time, so what do you guys think? > > katja, in central vermont @@@@@@@@@@@@ Katja, I hope you read this email in time! Pork is an awful, dangerous food and you will risk the health of your family! It's not even safe to have it in your vicinity. As a selfless public service I can give you my address and let you ship to me so I can, uh, dispose of it for you. I have experience with, uh, disposing of pork. I will even pay for shipping as a token of goodwill towards the citizens of Vermont. Mike SE Pennsylvania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 In a message dated 1/2/04 7:36:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, wanitawa@... writes: > Is shellfish an issue, too? If it is and was discussed here prior with > pork, > I don't recall it. I don't remember which of the numerous counterpoints to the argument were raised here, though my memory is that folks who participated in the discussion were divided on the issue, and never reached a consensus, and it seemed to drop at the suggestion that in the absence of any reason to actually believe it, it would be silly to speculate. Anyone interested of course could simply email Sally and ask her. But I would dismiss it due to the plethora of other violations of the Hebrew food laws, such as crab soup and oyster chowder (NT, p 204; Leviticus 11:10), and nearly every single beef recipe, most of which contain dairy in some form , the mixing of which I believe is banned somewhere in the Bible. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 By the way, Whatever Sally says about pork in NT, I do know she eats plenty of it! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 hahahaha! man! where have you guys been all my life? what a great list!! At 04:36 PM 1/2/2004, you wrote: >Katja, I hope you read this email in time! Pork is an awful, >dangerous food and you will risk the health of your family! It's not >even safe to have it in your vicinity. As a selfless public service >I can give you my address and let you ship to me so I can, uh, >dispose of it for you. I have experience with, uh, disposing of >pork. I will even pay for shipping as a token of goodwill towards the >citizens of Vermont. > >Mike >SE Pennsylvania atg technical support support@... 1-800-RING ATG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 In a message dated 1/2/04 10:05:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, heidis@... writes: > Well, we are both mammalian omnivores ... pork is so close > to human that they are using pork organs in people, I guess. Let's hope that pigs differ either in ingenuity or motor skills, as I wouldn't want the situation reversed. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 ya know, i'm gonna skip the human flesh part and just go with the pork. thanks, though. At 05:19 PM 1/2/2004, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/2/04 4:59:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, >heidis@... writes: > > > Pork is the meat closest to what humans are composed of. > > Whether or not that is a good thing depends ... it means > > we share more diseases with them (like flu perhaps!) and it > > also means they might be more " ideal " nutritionally. > >Interesting. The two protein sources in the traditional highland New Guinea >diet are pork and human flesh. > >Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 >Interesting. The two protein sources in the traditional highland New Guinea >diet are pork and human flesh. > >Chris And human flesh is commonly called " Long pork " , they say. Well, we are both mammalian omnivores ... pork is so close to human that they are using pork organs in people, I guess. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 > In a message dated 1/2/04 12:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wanitawa@... writes: > > > Its > > belived here Sally compromised on pork consumption in NT out of respect for > > Enig's Jewish ancestry. > > Isn't that somewhat unreasonable, given that WAPF recommends shellfish as a > superb food? > > Chris Is shellfish an issue, too? If it is and was discussed here prior with pork, I don't recall it. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 wanita writes: Is shellfish an issue, too? If it is and was discussed here prior with pork, I don't recall it. Wanita, like pork, shellfish are forbidden by Jewish dietary laws... guess therefore that Sally's opinions on eating pork [or not] have nothing to do with Enig Jewish origins Dedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 > wanita writes: Is shellfish an issue, too? If it is and was discussed here prior with pork, I don't recall it. > > > Wanita, > like pork, shellfish are forbidden by Jewish dietary laws... guess therefore that Sally's opinions on eating pork [or not] have nothing to do with Enig Jewish origins > > Dedy Thanks, Dedy! Was wrong there, Katja. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Name them Bacon, Sausage, and Ham and eat them. >so, i've been wrestling with the pork question, and a friend said you guys >could help > >the research on pork seems to fall into three categories: > >douglass: pork is the perfect food (next to raw milk) if it just weren't >for trichinosis > >fallon: pork might or might not be ok, but lard is fine > >mercola: pork and lard is bad because pigs are scavengers, and therefore >it's difficult to know what the pork you're eating is made of. > >now, just before learning about NT, we bought three brandy new organic >piglets, and we raised them on a grass pasture and organic house slops. so, >does that mean we shouldn't worry about eating this pork, because i know >what they ate and it was good? or is pork still out? > >it's nearly butchering time, so what do you guys think? > >katja, in central vermont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 At 08:45 PM 1/2/2004, you wrote: > > wanita writes: Is shellfish an issue, too? If it is and was discussed here >prior with pork, I don't recall it. > > > > > > Wanita, > > like pork, shellfish are forbidden by Jewish dietary laws... guess >therefore that Sally's opinions on eating pork [or not] have nothing to do >with Enig Jewish origins > > > > Dedy > >Thanks, Dedy! Was wrong there, Katja. > >Wanita s'ok - everything else is more than enough evidence... by the way, if there are any other pig farmers on the list, did i already say holler? we have some thoughts for next year i'd love to talk to piggy people about... -katja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 haha! ya know, the funny thing is, they're named Pork Chop, Dee and Dum - but pork chop is the one that we're keeping to breed! At 08:47 PM 1/2/2004, you wrote: >Name them Bacon, Sausage, and Ham and eat them. > > > >so, i've been wrestling with the pork question, and a friend said you guys > >could help > > > >the research on pork seems to fall into three categories: > > > >douglass: pork is the perfect food (next to raw milk) if it just weren't > >for trichinosis > > > >fallon: pork might or might not be ok, but lard is fine > > > >mercola: pork and lard is bad because pigs are scavengers, and therefore > >it's difficult to know what the pork you're eating is made of. > > > >now, just before learning about NT, we bought three brandy new organic > >piglets, and we raised them on a grass pasture and organic house slops. so, > >does that mean we shouldn't worry about eating this pork, because i know > >what they ate and it was good? or is pork still out? > > > >it's nearly butchering time, so what do you guys think? > > > >katja, in central vermont > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Quoting ChrisMasterjohn@...: > wanitawa@... writes: > > Its belived here Sally compromised on pork consumption in > > NT out of respect for Enig's Jewish ancestry. > > Isn't that somewhat unreasonable, given that WAPF recommends shellfish as > a superb food? Also, even the most orthodox Jews generally don't object to gentiles eating pork, do they? -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 I've heard women say that all men are pigs. Maybe there's some truth in that.... > >Interesting. The two protein sources in the traditional highland New > Guinea > >diet are pork and human flesh. > > > >Chris > >And human flesh is commonly called " Long pork " , they say. > >Well, we are both mammalian omnivores ... pork is so close >to human that they are using pork organs in people, I guess. > >-- Heidi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 I thought it talked about not cooking a calf in its mother's milk, but it talks about a not cooking a young goat in its mother's milk. Deuteronomy 14:21 says: " Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to an alien living in any of your towns, and he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner. But you are a people holy to the LORD your God. Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk. " Other references are Exodus 23:19 and Exodus 34:26. .... > and nearly every single beef recipe, most of which contain dairy in some form > , the mixing of which I believe is banned somewhere in the Bible. > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 I wouldn't get too concerned Chris. Pigs certainly look a whole lot different than humans! Sheila > In a message dated 1/2/04 10:05:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, > heidis@t... writes: > > > Well, we are both mammalian omnivores ... pork is so close > > to human that they are using pork organs in people, I guess. > > Let's hope that pigs differ either in ingenuity or motor skills, as I > wouldn't want the situation reversed. > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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