Re: [Fwd:a gestalt approach]

[Guest guest]

Dear (alter ego),

You sure were hard on that new guy, Blip? What's the problem? He had a

lot of passion behind his wheel...don't you love 'passion'?

#1: Yes, but passion devoid of reason??? Only when it suits

me....haha

#2: Yes, but isn't always THE 'reason' that destroys your

passion...and then you sit in your puddle of hopes and bemoan the value

of faith?......

#1:That's just because I am wishy-washy and stupid and you use to

not care....now, that I am trying to 'educate' myself in matters of

'state'..you get all threatened..like you are going to have to make

yourself 'up'..all over again!!

#2...well, now that you mentioned it...bitch...I will!! I have been

having to re-invent myself every 6 months to suit your growth and when I

do...you bitch about missing the old you!! What's a shadow girl to do?

#1.....stay in your place!!....in my sister's reflection! She's a

suitable repository for folks like you. A Pollyanna pisces! Either an

old soul or a babe in the woods...who can tell?, 'we' never have been

able to? All 'we' know is that she is full of maddening surprises, she

was responsible for 'us' finding a 'god/goddess', and seeing Aliens

above the lake when 'we' were children. This makes her a intuitive

goddess? Part of me says it only makes her alot of fun to hang out with

and stimulating company...it does not make her right!!

#2....and your opinion of her does not make YOU right!! Remember..a

prerequisite of deluding someone else, does not require that you delude

yourself?.......think about it.....long and hard...........

#1......ok....but you have to promise to get out more in concert

with me. We can both sing pretty good and we both play a mean

drum....Now..... who's gonna sing and who's gonna drum??????

" K. Armstrong " wrote:

>

> Dear Blip,

>

> I hear the Ted Kaczynski cabin is for sale for $25.00. Perhaps you can

> get a government grant to purchase it and work on your manifesto there

> in seclusion! In the case that you want to heed the good advice from

> Toni and take an economics course, might I suggest a professor from

> Mason University by the name of Walter E. ? You might

> even want to visit his website at www.gmu.edu/departments/economics.He

> has a really good article called 'Self-imposed Starvation' that you

> might take a gander at to balance out your repertoire.

> This type of stuff really does not belong on a Jungian type of list. If

> you have a website where those who are interested in your opinions can

> visit, please feel free to post it.

>

> A Quote: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It

> can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves

> largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority

> always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the

> public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collaspes over

> loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. " Professor

> Tytler over 200 years ago.

>

> Just something to think about.

>

> Toni Priest wrote:

> >

> > I really don't know whose " work " this is, or why it is on this list.I would

> > imagine whoever wrote it got it from somewhere else. it is definitely

> > derivative and not very deep.

> > How awful to feel that one is a slave to " the system " If there is

> > happiness, joy and fulfillment on this earth, like sadness deapair and

> > pain, it comes from within us. No sense blaming others, the system or the

> > world. In a sense we really do " make our own reality " We are not Pavlov's

> > dogs or Skinner's rats. We, not someone " out there " give meaning to our

> > lives

> >

> > " Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains. "

> > Think I've hears that someplace before????

> >

> > Of course there are people in modern society who work only for the money.

> > It is a sad fact that " a job well done " is often hard to see. The people

> > work, no one forces them to. It is in man's nature to work, that is his

> > creativity, and attempt

> > often to put meaning in his life. No one started the " reward system " It is

> > purely a natural , economic, cultural system which we have elected to

> > chose. Those who must work on stultifying jobs are often happy for the

> > " mindlessness " of the work, others do not have the skills or perhaps the

> > ambition and drive to get them.

> >

> > Your understanding of corporate structure leave a lot misunderstood. The

> > guy who molds the steel, does he design the car, do his marketing skills

> > help him understand what the customer wants? Does he understand the

> > engineering, the economic markets, and the financial. / No, workers can

> > not run corporations. If they had all those skills, they would start their

> > own corporation, or work for others still expressing their own creativity.

> >

> > Not everyone can be a " boss " Those of us who have had others working for

> > them did not " dole " them out . We hired the best qualified for the job.

> > A good course in economics, and markets might help here. Democracy in the

> > workplace??? Shall we vote on how to design the best engine? What to sell

> > the car for? As a librarian I selected the books the public library would

> > buy. Instead of the needs of the public I served, and the reviews of the

> > books, and my educated opinion, should we have a vote for each book by the

> > the clerks, and the technicians who also worked for the library? Most

> > workers want above all to be productive members of society. That is

> > work...it is not a prison , where the starving are forced to suffer, so

> > King Midas can sort his riches.

> >

> > The worse thing about the writer of this essay is that he/she feels a

> > victim. We do have some measure of control over our lives, and our

> > emotions, feelings and sensibility. We can decide how to view life on

> > earth. We can decide what stance to take to the good and the bad. We are

> > not robots, we are not victims of a system. Change the system, and the same

> > people are still its victims. Victim hood is a state of mind. No one else

> > can " make " you miserable, misunderstood,undervalued, and without joy. You

> > do it to yourself.

> >

> > If the writer were my student, i would send the paper back. There would be

> > red marks all over it, for sloppy logic, and ignorance on the large

> > overall view of today's reality. Karl Marx said it before and he said it

> > better. The dictatorship of the proletariat is where you are going. You are

> > free to go where you will, but you need to understand where you are coming

> > from. Envy, rage and victim hood stand at the end of this path and at its

> > beginning.

> > This is not to say, that we have the best of all possible worlds either.

> > teBlipBland@... wrote:

> >

> > > Let's start a revolution:

> > > We need to spread democracy to the workplace. As it

> > > stands now, workers don't elect their bosses, but

> > > serve under dictatorship. It is time for workers of a

> > > company to elect those who have authority over them,

> > > especially their direct superiors. Anyone within the

> > > company could run. Our ultimatum will be: adopt democracy in

> > > your workplace, or you will not survive.

> > > So lets get started. Add to this message.

> > >

> > > To have a reward

> > > system, you have to have a reward. So a major cost to

> > > a reward system, is that some group has to sacrifice

> > > to produce the reward.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear (both of you)

Thank you letting the rest of us peek in on your ACTIVE imagination. I think

you did a great job of airing this subject. And it was refreshing to see.

If only we could each become better at doing this whenever we

experience/create/react to conflict. What a different world we would live

in. Great way to usher in the new age. It is said that an increase in

consciousness is accompanied by a defeat for the ego. Perhaps that is why

the truly wise among us seem to be the most humble. Watching the real

emerge has been fun and instructive. When the " real " starts to drum and

sing, we will see only one -- but she will be a rich complexity indeed. Keep

talking!

Greg