Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Bravo Shan: I agree with you completely. Shirley from Southern Illinois Beth Black wrote: > >Steve is a nice guy. Everyone likes Steve. I do too. But I believe "the group" puts him on a pedestal and supports him NO MATTER WHAT. There is something so weak about this... Rubbish! and I and more recently several others have gently but very firmly said we disagree with Steve's stated aim for weightloss of several lbs a day. But we also recognise his authority over his own decisions and goals - this is TOTALLY important for all us obese people. Far too many people try to treat us as stupid fat lumps. Fat we are and sometimes lumpish but NOT stupid. We do not need thers to decide our method of healing ourselves. That jhas to be done the way WE need to do it, each of us, with our own mistakes - and successes. >>Steve leaves his kids and wife, No Problem. Quite. No problem for us. Problem for him, his wife and the kids to sort out for themselves. >>Steve lies about his walk,No problem. Quite. No problem. Ever studied myth? It's the healing and redemptive power of the story, the model, the hero/ hera. Do you really think all the heroes of the great stories did all that's put on them? Nah. Course not. But it's stories written larger that enlarge US - spiritually not physically! >>Steve divorces his wife,No problem. Steve and his wife have agreed to divorce, yes no problem. People do it all the time and mostly with far less dignity and care than this family. >>Steve reports quick weight loss plans,No problem. Yes here I agree for real there is a problem. A problem for Steve if he gets attached to that goal. (But a recent post from him makes it clear he isn't) More widely it culd be a problem just because Steve IS a public hero and a model for so many. This is one of the many complexities he will have to grapple with now he is famous. How much should he take responsibility for affecting others because he is their visionary icon? If too much he sacrifices his freedom to experiment, to play, to mess up, to be human. Too little and others get damaged by his example. Not an easy question but for me ultimately - having been 'famous'and 'a leader' myself, the bottom line is a leader's radical ultimate freedom to do as they damn well please if they really want to. It was one's deep founded nature as a unique individual that built the leadership. So acting against one's own needs betrays both oneself and one's responsibilities to others. >>I would say it's only Steve's business but STEVE MADE A PUBLIC FORUM ABOUT IT AND HE MAKES HIS PRIVATE LIFE PUBLIC. Yes. But it still belongs to him. We just get the outer layer. >That is when what he does comes under scrutiny and rightfully so. Sure. We can disagree and some of us have. So as you say, no problem. >It just is humorous almost to watch all you followers supporting Steve no matter what. Reminds me of the Emperor with no clothes. Hmm. This is your fantasy mate. You're not seeing the critical (but supportive) posts, and the disagreement here. >I'm gonna hang around here and watch Steve's next mistake, and the group scamper around twisting things to support him. Seems like all you are inflicted with the disease to please! Heavens. Didn't you know that obese people are deeply programmed to please? We swallow anger and grief with the food, and smile. We are "good natured" - like hell we are! Under the cushioning fat we rage and weep. But outside our rounded childlike faces smile and smile. Don't, please, treat the typical obese characteristics with contempt. It doesn't help. Instead work with us as one of us or as a fellow traveller, to work our way out of the disease to please most of us share. Then there's the next problem, taking pot shots at easy targets, friendly, generous leaders or other fatsos who don't shoot nasties back. It's easy to feel strong by playing the truthtelling kid against the powerful naked Emperor. It's MUCH harder to look down at one's own bulging tummy and see oneself, fat, exposed and vulnerable. But looking at it is a big step to dealing with it. Shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Shan takes my breath away with her amazing ability to cut to the truth of things, and then to expresss herself, and in the process, speak for many others. Reading your postings, Shan, is one of the great pleasures of belonging to this group. One wonders if you are a writer by profession W.. Re:Shan's email Bravo Shan: I agree with you completely. Shirley from Southern Illinois Beth Black wrote:>>Steve is a nice guy. Everyone likes Steve. I do too. But I believe "the group" puts him on a pedestal and supports him NO MATTER WHAT. There is something so weak about this...Rubbish! and I and more recently several others have gently but very firmly said we disagree with Steve's stated aim for weightloss of several lbs a day. But we also recognise his authority over his own decisions and goals - this is TOTALLY important for all us obese people. Far too many people try to treat us as stupid fat lumps. Fat we are and sometimes lumpish but NOT stupid. We do not need thers to decide our method of healing ourselves. That jhas to be done the way WE need to do it, each of us, with our own mistakes - and successes.>>Steve leaves his kids and wife, No Problem. Quite. No problem for us. Problem for him, his wife and the kids to sort out for themselves.>>Steve lies about his walk,No problem. Quite. No problem.Ever studied myth? It's the healing and redemptive power of the story, the model, the hero/ hera. Do you really think all the heroes of the great stories did all that's put on them? Nah. Course not. But it's stories written larger that enlarge US - spiritually not physically!>>Steve divorces his wife,No problem. Steve and his wife have agreed to divorce, yes no problem. People do it all the time and mostly with far less dignity and care than this family.>>Steve reports quick weight loss plans,No problem. Yes here I agree for real there is a problem. A problem for Steve if he gets attached to that goal. (But a recent post from him makes it clear he isn't)More widely it culd be a problem just because Steve IS a public hero and a model for so many. This is one of the many complexities he will have to grapple with now he is famous. How much should he take responsibility for affecting others because he is their visionary icon? If too much he sacrifices his freedom to experiment, to play, to mess up, to be human. Too little and others get damaged by his example. Not an easy question but for me ultimately - having been 'famous'and 'a leader' myself, the bottom line is a leader's radical ultimate freedom to do as they damn well please if they really want to. It was one's deep founded nature as a unique individual that built the leadership. So acting against one's own needs betrays both oneself and one's responsibilities to others.>>I would say it's only Steve's business but STEVE MADE A PUBLIC FORUM ABOUT IT AND HE MAKES HIS PRIVATE LIFE PUBLIC. Yes. But it still belongs to him. We just get the outer layer.>That is when what he does comes under scrutiny and rightfully so.Sure. We can disagree and some of us have. So as you say, no problem.>It just is humorous almost to watch all you followers supporting Steve no matter what. Reminds me of the Emperor with no clothes. Hmm. This is your fantasy mate. You're not seeing the critical (but supportive) posts, and the disagreement here.>I'm gonna hang around here and watch Steve's next mistake, and the group scamper around twisting things to support him. Seems like all you are inflicted with the disease to please!Heavens. Didn't you know that obese people are deeply programmed to please? We swallow anger and grief with the food, and smile. We are "good natured" - like hell we are! Under the cushioning fat we rage and weep. But outside our rounded childlike faces smile and smile.Don't, please, treat the typical obese characteristics with contempt. It doesn't help. Instead work with us as one of us or as a fellow traveller, to work our way out of the disease to please most of us share. Then there's the next problem, taking pot shots at easy targets, friendly, generous leaders or other fatsos who don't shoot nasties back. It's easy to feel strong by playing the truthtelling kid against the powerful naked Emperor. It's MUCH harder to look down at one's own bulging tummy and see oneself, fat, exposed and vulnerable. But looking at it is a big step to dealing with it.Shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 > > Shan takes my breath away with her amazing ability to cut to the truth of things, and then to expresss herself, and in the process, speak for many others. > Reading your postings, Shan, is one of the great pleasures of belonging to this group. One wonders if you are a writer by profession > W.. thank you, and Shirley too. Yes I am a writer. I have great delight in the right words to give exactly the right idea. I also trained in academic philosophy which forces the brain to make clear thought paths. Very glad some here enjoy my kind of skills. Sorry of you do not - just avoid my posts as I do tend to be pedantic and lengthy. There are many places a highly trained intelligence, and detailed examination of ideas, is not welcomed, so I genuinely appreciate being allowed to share my skills. Please nag if I become overbearing and arrogant - being an excellent writer and accustomed over long years of authority to getting it clear and right sometimes tips me over too far. Love to all. ps. and I love your posts. I like all of you but feel akin to these two especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 ps. and I love your posts. I like all of you but feel akin to these two especially. I feel very complimented. Thank you ever so much. Hugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 i agree with shan ... people want to believe the best about other people .. i am overweight and i am constantly trying to please everyone except myself.. i now try to put my own needs at equal with the other people in my life http://chocolatelabs.com From: sbrown857@...Reply-To: thefatmanwalking_group To: thefatmanwalking_group Subject: Re:Shan's emailDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:28:31 EDT Bravo Shan: I agree with you completely. Shirley from Southern Illinois Beth Black wrote:>>Steve is a nice guy. Everyone likes Steve. I do too. But I believe "the group" puts him on a pedestal and supports him NO MATTER WHAT. There is something so weak about this...Rubbish! and I and more recently several others have gently but very firmly said we disagree with Steve's stated aim for weightloss of several lbs a day. But we also recognise his authority over his own decisions and goals - this is TOTALLY important for all us obese people. Far too many people try to treat us as stupid fat lumps. Fat we are and sometimes lumpish but NOT stupid. We do not need thers to decide our method of healing ourselves. That jhas to be done the way WE need to do it, each of us, with our own mistakes - and successes.>>Steve leaves his kids and wife, No Problem. Quite. No problem for us. Problem for him, his wife and the kids to sort out for themselves.>>Steve lies about his walk,No problem. Quite. No problem.Ever studied myth? It's the healing and redemptive power of the story, the model, the hero/ hera. Do you really think all the heroes of the great stories did all that's put on them? Nah. Course not. But it's stories written larger that enlarge US - spiritually not physically!>>Steve divorces his wife,No problem. Steve and his wife have agreed to divorce, yes no problem. People do it all the time and mostly with far less dignity and care than this family.>>Steve reports quick weight loss plans,No problem. Yes here I agree for real there is a problem. A problem for Steve if he gets attached to that goal. (But a recent post from him makes it clear he isn't)More widely it culd be a problem just because Steve IS a public hero and a model for so many. This is one of the many complexities he will have to grapple with now he is famous. How much should he take responsibility for affecting others because he is their visionary icon? If too much he sacrifices his freedom to experiment, to play, to mess up, to be human. Too little and others get damaged by his example. Not an easy question but for me ultimately - having been 'famous'and 'a leader' myself, the bottom line is a leader's radical ultimate freedom to do as they damn well please if they really want to. It was one's deep founded nature as a unique individual that built the leadership. So acting against one's own needs betrays both oneself and one's responsibilities to others.>>I would say it's only Steve's business but STEVE MADE A PUBLIC FORUM ABOUT IT AND HE MAKES HIS PRIVATE LIFE PUBLIC. Yes. But it still belongs to him. We just get the outer layer.>That is when what he does comes under scrutiny and rightfully so.Sure. We can disagree and some of us have. So as you say, no problem.>It just is humorous almost to watch all you followers supporting Steve no matter what. Reminds me of the Emperor with no clothes. Hmm. This is your fantasy mate. You're not seeing the critical (but supportive) posts, and the disagreement here.>I'm gonna hang around here and watch Steve's next mistake, and the group scamper around twisting things to support him. Seems like all you are inflicted with the disease to please!Heavens. Didn't you know that obese people are deeply programmed to please? We swallow anger and grief with the food, and smile. We are "good natured" - like hell we are! Under the cushioning fat we rage and weep. But outside our rounded childlike faces smile and smile.Don't, please, treat the typical obese characteristics with contempt. It doesn't help. Instead work with us as one of us or as a fellow traveller, to work our way out of the disease to please most of us share. Then there's the next problem, taking pot shots at easy targets, friendly, generous leaders or other fatsos who don't shoot nasties back. It's easy to feel strong by playing the truthtelling kid against the powerful naked Emperor. It's MUCH harder to look down at one's own bulging tummy and see oneself, fat, exposed and vulnerable. But looking at it is a big step to dealing with it.Shan Watch music videos on Sympatico / MSN Video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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