Re: Filippa HCl

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Hi Filippa and Everyone,

I think I told you I would try the HCl in the morning on an empty

stomach. I did this until I hit 7 caps (648mg HCl and 130mg pepsin

each) and at that point I got the burning sensation

indicating " ENOUGH ALREADY " . The burning was easily resolved by

drinking a glass or two of water. I am holding steady at 6 HCl per

meal.

Keep in touch,

Sheila

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That's really interesting Sheila. Can you refresh my memory about this? You

simply take HCl with water on an empty stomach and wait until you get burning?

Do you do this over a number of days?

I had a session with my practitioner. He said my stomach was showing excess

where last time it was deficient. He suggested I cut down the HCl even though I

haven't been getting a burning sensation. So I've decided to take just 2 tabs

with meals and see if my digestion still functions OK. I'm interested to try

the HCl/burning test but I just can't remember what to do!!

Thanks for the feedback Sheila. I am SO relieved to have discovered that HCl

was really my only problem. I am feeling so much better.

Filippa

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Hi Filippa,

Maybe it was someone else who was interested in seeing what happened

on this test. Between holiday company and loads of cooking I have

lost track of who originally asked about the HCl test. I'm sorry.

Next time I will put a post-it on the front of my computer frame as a

reminder.

Here is the test.A person increases the dose of HCl by one each

morning on an empty stomach until they get a burning sensation which

indicates they have taken one to many. They then back off one capsule

and stay with that dose at each meal. The dose should be taken after

a bite of two of food. If 6 are needed per meal than it is best to

take 3 and then about mid meal, 3 more. This seems to work very well

for me.

I am trying to rebuild some bone density and of course digestion is

of great importance in this effort. Digestion is supremely important

period!

It is good to hear you are doing better. How could your practitioner

tell you had more acid than before?

Sheila

--- In , " Filippa " <filippa91@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Filippa and Everyone,

> I think I told you I would try the HCl in the morning on an empty

> stomach. I did this until I hit 7 caps (648mg HCl and 130mg pepsin

> each) and at that point I got the burning sensation

> indicating " ENOUGH ALREADY " . The burning was easily resolved by

> drinking a glass or two of water. I am holding steady at 6 HCl per

> meal.

> Keep in touch,

> Sheila

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------

>

> That's really interesting Sheila. Can you refresh my memory about

this? You simply take HCl with water on an empty stomach and wait

until you get burning? Do you do this over a number of days?

>

> I had a session with my practitioner. He said my stomach was

showing excess where last time it was deficient. He suggested I cut

down the HCl even though I haven't been getting a burning sensation.

So I've decided to take just 2 tabs with meals and see if my

digestion still functions OK. I'm interested to try the HCl/burning

test but I just can't remember what to do!!

>

> Thanks for the feedback Sheila. I am SO relieved to have

discovered that HCl was really my only problem. I am feeling so much

better.

>

> Filippa

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> It is good to hear you are doing better. How could your practitioner

> tell you had more acid than before? ~ Sheila

>

> ====> By muscle testing.

---Yay muscle testing! Unfortunately, according to MRT (my own, and my

chiropractor's) I am sensitive to HCl, both supplemental and my own.

Apparently this is why every time I eat my nose runs. I'm going to do an

NAET treatment for it, and hopefully it will work. My digestion is so much

improved, and I really want to resolve this final stomach acid thing.

[Guest guest]

---Yay muscle testing! Unfortunately, according to MRT (my own, and my

chiropractor's) I am sensitive to HCl, both supplemental and my own.

Apparently this is why every time I eat my nose runs. I'm going to do an

NAET treatment for it, and hopefully it will work. My digestion is so much

improved, and I really want to resolve this final stomach acid thing.

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Gee, I don't dare muscle test whether HCl supplements are actually good for me

or not!! But they've caused such a remarkable turnaround in my health that I'm

sure they're OK. My nose runs when I eat too, but only with hot food (both

temperature hot and curry hot). Does your nose run with *everything* you eat?

Hope you do resolve your stomach acid issue! Let us know if the NAET treatment

works.

Filippa

[Guest guest]

In Digestive Wellness by Lipski, she states as many as

60% of people over age 60 may be deficient in HCl. This can be due to

natural aging(we can not totally escape aging, except in one way!)or

due to illness's or SAD. Sometimes HCl is only needed for a short

time until the body recovers from what ever caused the upset. However

I have osteoporosis and rosacea, both are thought to be connected to

low stomach acid, so I feel HCl supplements are necessary for me.

Other illness's connected to low HCl are childhood asthma, chronic

hipatitis, chronic hives,diabetes, eczema, gallbladder disease,lupus,

rheumatoid arthritis, under and over active thyroid conditions,

vitiligo and weak adrenals, acne, food allergies,and a number of

others listed in Digestive Wellness.

My approach to figuring out how my digetion is doing is a stool

sample test. In a past test it was obvious I needed HCl. I figure I

can stay at the 6 HCl per meal level for a month or two and then have

the stool test done again. This should give me a strong indication of

how my digestion is working. I would love to cut back on this 6 pill

per meal (breakfast and dinner) amount as soon as possible.

There is a test called the Heidelberg test which determines the level

of stomach acid. It is a expensive test, not many physicians use it,

but it works. I believe Dr. V. does this test.

I do think one can determine how much HCl to take by experimenting

with different amounts and doing the stool test. It may take longer,

but it will be effective for diagnosis. IMHO. Has anyone tried this

approach?

Sheila

--- In , " Filippa " <filippa91@y...>

wrote:

> ---Yay muscle testing! Unfortunately, according to MRT (my own,

and my

> chiropractor's) I am sensitive to HCl, both supplemental and my

own.

> Apparently this is why every time I eat my nose runs. I'm going to

do an

> NAET treatment for it, and hopefully it will work. My digestion is

so much

> improved, and I really want to resolve this final stomach acid

thing.

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------------

>

>

> Gee, I don't dare muscle test whether HCl supplements are actually

good for me or not!! But they've caused such a remarkable turnaround

in my health that I'm sure they're OK. My nose runs when I eat too,

but only with hot food (both temperature hot and curry hot). Does

your nose run with *everything* you eat? Hope you do resolve your

stomach acid issue! Let us know if the NAET treatment works.

>

> Filippa

>

>

[Guest guest]

>I do think one can determine how much HCl to take by experimenting

>with different amounts and doing the stool test. It may take longer,

>but it will be effective for diagnosis. IMHO. Has anyone tried this

>approach?

>Sheila

I just started taking it ... and that meal " felt " better

and digested better as per results the next day.

Tests can be useful, if you can get them easily,

but shoot, if you are talking about a substance

that isn't harmful, like Vit B or enzymes or HCL,

then experimenting seems like an easy way to go.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

< Does your nose run with *everything* you eat?

---Just about! I don't think it has run from eating just fruit. It started

with spicy

food, but now it is almost every time I eat. It's a pain at restaurants. I

used to

get up to go the restroom to blow my nose, in order to be polite, but that got

old quickly. Now I just wipe away right at the table!

[Guest guest]

i had this issue recently. nose would run everytime i ate.

but then it also has stopped now but i could nto unfrotunatly tell you why.

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From: kristenchavez [mailto:kristenchavez@...]

Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2003 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: Filippa HCl

< Does your nose run with *everything* you eat?

---Just about! I don't think it has run from eating just fruit. It started

with spicy

food, but now it is almost every time I eat. It's a pain at restaurants. I

used to

get up to go the restroom to blow my nose, in order to be polite, but that

got

old quickly. Now I just wipe away right at the table!

[Guest guest]

>< Does your nose run with *everything* you eat?

>

>---Just about! I don't think it has run from eating just fruit. It started

with spicy

>food, but now it is almost every time I eat. It's a pain at restaurants. I

used to

>get up to go the restroom to blow my nose, in order to be polite, but that got

>old quickly. Now I just wipe away right at the table!

>

>

My allergist worked with exactly that problem, in a research

project in med school. They came up with a nose spray ...

you use it daily and it gets rid of the problem. Really.

Nothing dangerous, though it seems a little weird

to the pharmacist. They just tried everything they

could til they found a drug that worked, and fortunately

it is one with few side effects. The doc who worked the project

had the same problem! It isn't considered an " allergy " it is

a different reaction.

If you are interested I'll look up the name of the prescription

(I don't have it any more ... that wasn't what turned out

to be OUR problem!).

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

--- In , Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@t...>

wrote:

> If you are interested I'll look up the name of the prescription

> (I don't have it any more ... that wasn't what turned out

> to be OUR problem!).

Thanks a lot Heidi! I would be interested. No hurry though... look it up at

your leisure. I'll try doing the NAET treatment first, and if my nose still

runs,

I'd like to give the nasal spray a go.

[Guest guest]

>Thanks a lot Heidi! I would be interested. No hurry though... look it up at

>your leisure. I'll try doing the NAET treatment first, and if my nose still

runs,

>I'd like to give the nasal spray a go.

>

>

Ok, I think I remember now -- it's Atropine. Commonly prescribed

for the heart, I think. But they make it into a nose spray!

Anyway, you'd have to find an ENT who knows about

prescribing it " off list " .

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/RespiratoryDisorders/messages/182a.html

http://archotol.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/124/8/916

It seems like a fairly potent drug when used for

the heart, but pretty benign as a nose spray.

From the writups it is also good if you get a runny

nose on a cold day or for other unknown reasons.

BTW my runny nose went away when I stopped

dairy, even the runny nose from cold weather.

But it still runs from hot foods .... I love pepper.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

===~~~ & gt;My nose ALWAYS runs when i eat, since i was a little kid. I always

take tissues to the table to eat or have them nearby, even just a snack. even if

the foods arent something i am aware of being sensitive too. do you have more

info on what this has to do with HCl?

thanks

anna

---Yay muscle testing! Unfortunately, according to MRT (my own, and my

chiropractor's) I am sensitive to HCl, both supplemental and my own. Apparently

this is why every time I eat my nose runs. I'm going to do an NAET treatment

for it, and hopefully it will work. My digestion is so much improved, and I

really want to resolve this final stomach acid thing.

[Guest guest]

--- kristenchavez <kristenchavez@...> wrote: >

> ---Just about! I don't think it has run from eating

> just fruit. It started with spicy

> food, but now it is almost every time I eat. It's a

> pain at restaurants. I used to

> get up to go the restroom to blow my nose, in order

> to be polite, but that got

> old quickly. Now I just wipe away right at the

> table!

>

I also have this problem, although it is somewhat

relieved from cutting out dairy but not totally. If

you ever find out what it is, do let me know!

I have a friend who gets post nasal drip every time

she eats. I suspect the causes of her symptoms and

mine are similar.

I seem to have many more allergies than I did a year

ago - even though my diet is supposedly MUCH healthier

now than then. I often get tight chested, although I

have had tests for asthma come up negative, and wake

up every morning with a blocked nose (I bought new

pillows, vacuumed my matress and did a thorough vacuum

on top of the wardrobes, under the bed etc and no

improvement).

Jo (confused)

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:

>I seem to have many more allergies than I did a year

>ago - even though my diet is supposedly MUCH healthier

>now than then.

I found that when I started to get BETTER my

immune system went nuts. I started having

more allergies and painful, swollen joints.

I can only figure my immune system was wiped

out taking care of the MAJOR allergens

and started having the ability to react

to minor ones. B vitamins seemed to

help and now things are rather normal.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>

>

> ===~~~ & gt;My nose ALWAYS runs when i eat, since i was a little kid. I

always take tissues to the table to eat or have them nearby, even just a

snack. even if the foods arent something i am aware of being sensitive too.

do you have more info on what this has to do with HCl?

> thanks

> anna

-----Sorry , but I don't have any general info on HCl causing runny

noses. I personally am allergic/sensitive to HCl, both supplemental and my

own. This is what I believe causes my nose running, but it may be something

different for you.

[Guest guest]

>

>>

>>

>> ===~~~ & gt;My nose ALWAYS runs when i eat, since i was a little kid. I

>always take tissues to the table to eat or have them nearby, even just a

>snack. even if the foods arent something i am aware of being sensitive too.

>do you have more info on what this has to do with HCl?

>> thanks

>> anna

>

>-----Sorry , but I don't have any general info on HCl causing runny

>noses. I personally am allergic/sensitive to HCl, both supplemental and my

>own. This is what I believe causes my nose running, but it may be something

>different for you.

>

>

Worked with a lady who's nose ran every time she ate. She'd been in a bad

accident when younger and a part of her intestine had to be removed. Her

doctor said the shortness of her intestine and speed of digestion was the

reason. Don't know how this relates to for example that cultures like the

Japanese who have had a long history of rice consumption and do have longer

intestines as an adaptation or natural predisposition fits in. Hereditary

predisposed protein types or more carnivorous diet metabolic, biochemical

individual types do have shorter intestines because of faster digestion.

Wanita

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<I found that when I started to get BETTER my

immune system went nuts.>

Man can I relate to that. I have always had rashes to go along with my many

other aches and pains, and they are all in full force flareup right now. I

have had a theory on the rashes in the past having to do with de-toxing, so

I am HOPING this is a sign I am going in the right direction. Emotionally

wise I am feeling great, and that is usually a pretty strong indicator of

how my body is going. Sure hope I am on the right track these last few

weeks.

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[Guest guest]

When a person cleans up their diet it isn't uncommon to go through some

health issues...while the body is detoxing...you could go on a detox diet

and force the detox to go quicker.

Kayte

Re: Re: Filippa HCl

:

>I seem to have many more allergies than I did a year

>ago - even though my diet is supposedly MUCH healthier

>now than then.

I found that when I started to get BETTER my

immune system went nuts. I started having

more allergies and painful, swollen joints.

I can only figure my immune system was wiped

out taking care of the MAJOR allergens

and started having the ability to react

to minor ones. B vitamins seemed to

help and now things are rather normal.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

--- Kayte Sisler <kayte@...> wrote: > When a

person cleans up their diet it isn't uncommon

> to go through some

> health issues...while the body is detoxing...you

> could go on a detox diet

> and force the detox to go quicker.

>

Kayte

What would you recommend?

I thought things were going pretty well, but today I

am totally bloated to hte point of having to undo my

waist band. It's a month since I last had to do that,

and i just can't understand why it's happened again

today :-( So I'm feeling pretty desperate!

Jo

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<< It's a month since I last had to do that>>

Jo,

it could be a pre-menstrual thing.

Dedy

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--- Rundle <Dpdg@...> wrote: > << It's a

month since I last had to do that>>

>

> Jo,

>

> it could be a pre-menstrual thing.

>

Not on the last day of period.... ;-)

Jo

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<<Not on the last day of period.... ;-) Jo>>

It could still be a hormonal thing once you've eliminated any nutritional causes

for not feeling well...

Mind you, there's something going around here in the UK... many people I know

incl. family members have been complaining about their tummies feeling funny

etc....

BTW, I know some people who react physically to changes in atmospheric pressure!

Go figure!

Dedy

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>BTW, I know some people who react physically to changes in atmospheric

pressure!

>

>Go figure!

>

>Dedy

Hey, l resemble that. :-) Storm that dropped two feet of snow over the

weekend did it coming in and out. Usually get it coming in only.

Wanita