Re: Grace and professionalism

[Guest guest]

,

Why would you say that I am equating my business with Porn

University? Obviously I was only making a point with that post and

was trying to do so in a humorous manner. I really wanted to let

this thread drop but you can't seem to stop bringing me into it with

your childish and misleading statements.

I gave you a chance to stop it but now I am starting to get irritated

and you have chosen the wrong chemist to pick on.

Since you are so big on talking about fraud, let us talk about

fraudulent language in our advertisements on our websites, shall we?

On your website you state the following about your " Insect Repellent " :

" At KY Labs, we represent the owner of a patented botanically based

insect repellent blend. This patented blend, Bioveramar® II (Patent #

5,227,406) has been shown to be effective against mosquitoes, fleas

and ticks. "

The above statements lead the reader to believe that you are offering

a natural insect repellent. Sounds good but it is very misleading.

Might even be considered fraudulent by some. In truth, your repellent

is maybe a little more natural than DEET. By doing a search of your

patent # on the publicly accessible US government patent website, I

found that your product has the following formula:

" 1. An insect repellent, comprising:

a) a conveying means constituting up to 99.96% of the insect

repellent;

between 0.01% and 1% terpineol;

c) between 0.01% and 1% citronella;

d) between 0.01% and 1% rhodinol extra; and

e) between 0.01% and 1% geraniol, wherein all listed percentages (%)

are weight percentages.

2. An insect repellent according to claim 1, wherein:

said terpineol is substantially 0.06% of said insect repellent, said

citronella is substantially 0.05% of said insect repellent, said

rhodinol extra is substantially 0.08% of said insect repellent, and

said geraniol is substantially 0.06% of said insect repellent.

3. An insect repellent according to claim 1, wherein:

said terpineol, said citronella, said rhodinol extra, and said

geraniol are actives present in said conveying medium in relative

weights of 6:5:8:6. "

ETC., ETC.....

Now citronella oil of course is natural (but in actuallity its quite

possible that just synthetic citronellal is being used as this is

quite common) and terpineol (I assume you mean alpha-terpineol) may

derived from a natural source. But Rhodinol Extra? Come on .

Rhodinol is a synthetic aromachemical manufactured by the Kao

corporation. Basically its just citronellol, Rhodinol Extra is just

the trade name. In addition, I would guess that the geraniol is also

synthetic because its cheaper then using natural geraniol and since

your using synthetic citronellol why stop there.

Anyway, the point is that you are trying to make people believe that

you are using an natural product and your not.

The sad thing is that, if you really wanted to, you could have made

this a natural repellent, without using synthetic aromachemicals. I

could reproduce this product in a heartbeat using only essential oils

and no synthetics, make it smell better, not be cost prohibitive, and

even be more effective as a bug repellent because it would be using

the natural synergies of the whole essential oils and not just

synthetic, single components. This is where it pays to know the

chemistry of essential oils and whats available.

Dr. P

Dr. S. Pappas

Essential Oil University

3043 Ct.

New Albany, IN 47150 USA

ph: fax:

http://www.essentialoils.org

[Guest guest]

>> If I felt that I owed Dr. Pappas an apology for questioning what

his credientials are, or questioning why he has a New Hampshire fax

number running into his computer in Indiana (which was not answered),

I would offer one.>>

Dee,

I answered this question (on both lists) but apparently you didn't

take the time to read my entire post. So here it is again (for the

third time) taken directly from my original reply to your attacks:

" Our voice phone is in New Albany, IN because that is where we are

located. The fax number is what's called an " e-fax " . All faxes

going to that number go directly to my email. This is much more

convenient because it keeps all the faxes together on my computer for

easy referencing and it eliminates the need and added expense of

having an additional fax line. Fax machines are obsolete and no

longer necessary. To fax things out we can use a scanner hooked to a

computer or use Net2Fax which is another great service. There is

nothing shady about us having an e-fax number, its just a smart

business decision. Perhaps if this person were up to date on the

latest technology they would not be so quick to " smell fish. "

Just to add an additional note: E-fax does not give you a choice of

what area code your e-fax number will be in unless you pay a premium

price. Since do business internationally it is not important for us

to have a local fax number so we did not pay the price to have a

number with our area code.

I am sorry but I have to be done with addressing your suspicions. I

really cannot afford the time to educate you on the latest in

internet technology.

Dr. P

Dr. S. Pappas

Essential Oil University

3043 Ct.

New Albany, IN 47150 USA

ph: fax:

http://www.essentialoils.org

[Guest guest]

Rob,

I am only responding to this because you have raised the question. I have

not stated that the insect repellent is 'natural' although I could because

my definition of 'natural' is all encompassing. I cannot find any substance

that is unnatural since even petrochemicals are derived from the biomass.

Next, I am only representing the owners of the patent and am not an owner of

said patent. I will tell you that the Bioveramar is based on Citronella

Java, which is the primary component of the blend. If you want more info on

this patented material I would suggest that you contact the EPA and search

FIFRA. If you read my words you will also note that I said " botanically

based " . I did not say that it is all botanical but you did. You are putting

words into my mouth that I did not say. You did however reference Porn U in

your defense of the term University. Therefore there is the logical

connection between you and Porn U. If you really want to let the thread drop

then I suggest that you do so now before you put both feet into your mouth;

you have one in there now and it is getting crowded.

Regards,

Young

KY Labs

Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products

www.kylabs.com

Re: Grace and professionalism

,

Why would you say that I am equating my business with Porn

University? Obviously I was only making a point with that post and

was trying to do so in a humorous manner. I really wanted to let

this thread drop but you can't seem to stop bringing me into it with

your childish and misleading statements.

I gave you a chance to stop it but now I am starting to get irritated

and you have chosen the wrong chemist to pick on.

Since you are so big on talking about fraud, let us talk about

fraudulent language in our advertisements on our websites, shall we?

On your website you state the following about your " Insect Repellent " :

" At KY Labs, we represent the owner of a patented botanically based

insect repellent blend. This patented blend, Bioveramar® II (Patent #

5,227,406) has been shown to be effective against mosquitoes, fleas

and ticks. "

The above statements lead the reader to believe that you are offering

a natural insect repellent. Sounds good but it is very misleading.

Might even be considered fraudulent by some. In truth, your repellent

is maybe a little more natural than DEET. By doing a search of your

patent # on the publicly accessible US government patent website, I

found that your product has the following formula:

" 1. An insect repellent, comprising:

a) a conveying means constituting up to 99.96% of the insect

repellent;

between 0.01% and 1% terpineol;

c) between 0.01% and 1% citronella;

d) between 0.01% and 1% rhodinol extra; and

e) between 0.01% and 1% geraniol, wherein all listed percentages (%)

are weight percentages.

2. An insect repellent according to claim 1, wherein:

said terpineol is substantially 0.06% of said insect repellent, said

citronella is substantially 0.05% of said insect repellent, said

rhodinol extra is substantially 0.08% of said insect repellent, and

said geraniol is substantially 0.06% of said insect repellent.

3. An insect repellent according to claim 1, wherein:

said terpineol, said citronella, said rhodinol extra, and said

geraniol are actives present in said conveying medium in relative

weights of 6:5:8:6. "

ETC., ETC.....

Now citronella oil of course is natural (but in actuallity its quite

possible that just synthetic citronellal is being used as this is

quite common) and terpineol (I assume you mean alpha-terpineol) may

derived from a natural source. But Rhodinol Extra? Come on .

Rhodinol is a synthetic aromachemical manufactured by the Kao

corporation. Basically its just citronellol, Rhodinol Extra is just

the trade name. In addition, I would guess that the geraniol is also

synthetic because its cheaper then using natural geraniol and since

your using synthetic citronellol why stop there.

Anyway, the point is that you are trying to make people believe that

you are using an natural product and your not.

The sad thing is that, if you really wanted to, you could have made

this a natural repellent, without using synthetic aromachemicals. I

could reproduce this product in a heartbeat using only essential oils

and no synthetics, make it smell better, not be cost prohibitive, and

even be more effective as a bug repellent because it would be using

the natural synergies of the whole essential oils and not just

synthetic, single components. This is where it pays to know the

chemistry of essential oils and whats available.

Dr. P

Dr. S. Pappas

Essential Oil University

3043 Ct.

New Albany, IN 47150 USA

ph: fax:

http://www.essentialoils.org

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