Re: IQ and AS

[Guest guest]

I have never had it broken down like that, but I have taken several IQ tests. I was given on in the 8th grade and my IQ then was about 130. Since then I have taken other with results going up to 145, but 140 was about average.

The problem with all those tests is that they are only a snapshot of you at a given moment. You could be having a good or an off day at the time of the test. I'm sure that accounts for some of the vairance in mine. Sometimes I was really keen on taking the test and other times I couldn't focus to save my life. So taking the tests several times and getting an average might not be a bad idea.

[Guest guest]

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For your benefit, I have included information below regarding IQs.

There are links to IQ tests in th Links forlder under tests. After

retaking them over and over, and NOT cheating by memorizing/writing

down answers during previous trials and carrying them forward I

consistently come in with the same range of scores which

coincidently corresponds to my " official " score.

Some of these International High IQ Society (5 Hard IQ tests)are

worth taking:

http://www.highiqsociety.org/noflash/nonmembers/iqtests.htm?IQ

And so is:

The Mensa Workout. Not an IQ test, but just as challenging.

http://www.mensa.org/workout.php

Keep in mind that YOUR score may vary from your " official " test

results. This is because you are in all probability not familiar

with proper testing procedures or else because the testing itself

was influenced by certain testing conditions not conducive to stress-

free test taking.

My knowledge of educational measurement and educational psychology

brings me closer to getting results closer to my own official score

which I think was 138.

Regarding the test you took:

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20031016.html

" [T]he Wechsler Adult Intelligence Test is the most common, and test

scores usually range from 90 to 110. The Diagnostic and Statistical

Manual of Mental Disorders, the standard psychiatric reference,

lists scores of 110 to 120 as " bright normal, " 120 to 130

as " superior, " and 130 and above as " very superior. " One could

reasonably equate " bright normal " with " smart, " and " very superior "

with " genius. "

From: http://www.iqtest.com/

" An Intelligence Quotient indicates a person's mental abilities

relative to others of approximately the same age. Everyone has

hundreds of specific mental abilities--some can be measured

accurately and are reliable predictors of academic and financial

success. "

Our test measures 13 mental abilities, and separate scores for each

are computed. These abilities are as follows:

Visual

Vocabulary

Spatial

Arithmetic

Logical

General

Knowledge

Spelling

Rote

Utilization

Intuition

Short Term Memory

Geometric Algebraic

Computational Speed

These separate scores are statistically analyzed, and from them a

General Intelligence Quotient is computed for each catagory.

You will benefit from knowing in depth the various scores of your

specific mental abilities. Those abilities in which you score far

higher than your general IQ Score may indicate that you have special

talents. These talents could indicate career directions to take.

Also, abilities in which you score lower than your general IQ Score

may indicate aspects of your mental processing that should be

considered if certain challenges are to be successfully handled. For

instance, a person with a poor spelling quotient may find that he or

she is able to compensate for it through study and practice.

Analyzing A Problem

Taking the test allows the computer to determine 13 individual IQ

scores for different mental abilities. If you order your " Complete

Personal Intelligence Profile " , you will be given a report of all

these scores and what they mean for you as an achieving individual.

Thirteen Different IQ Scores? How?

Each problem of the test has sub-problems, and this requires you to

use many mental skills. These sub-problems are of various levels of

challenge and require a variety of abilities with some of these

mental abilities being strongly challenged. If any sub-problem

cannot be handled, an incorrect analysis will result.

All the problems of the test have been analyzed to determine the

mental skills that are required to be used and how strongly those

skills are challenged.

A Simple Analysis of a Statement

Consider this statement:

" Two chickens and four cats have a total of twenty two legs. "

You must utilize many skills to determine if this is a true or false

statement. In part, they are:

You must have general knowledge about the anatomy of chickens and

cats.

You must understand the rules of arithmetic to multiply two times

two, four times four, and add sixteen plus four.

You must algebraically understand that one unit of " chicken " equals

two units of " legs " and one unit of " cat " equals four units

of " legs " .

Logically you must realize that you must compare the sum of the

animals' legs to the number twenty two.

You must hold partial sums in short term memory to facilitate the

comparison of the sums.

You may utilize visual apprehension to mentally picture the animals

for easier assessment of the arithmetic operations.

Your vocabulary must be used to give meaning to the words of the

problem.

If any of the words had an incorrect spelling it could have

indicated a completely different problem was being presented or that

a typographic error had occurred to invalidate the problem.

You need to use all these skills in a very short space of time and

so your computational speed would necessarily have to be fast enough

to allow for an answer to be determined in the allowed space of

time.

Finally, your intuition must determine if the statement has a common

sense feel to it. Intuition must be used to " scan " for puns, meaning

twisted by context, or any misleading aspects.

In all the above ways, and in many additional ways not discussed,

determining the truthfulness of a statement is an exceedingly

complex series of mental events.

Sample profile:

General IQ Score

Your General IQ Score of 149 shows how able your mind is in general.

Anyone with a General IQ Score this high is considered to be an

extraordinary genius. This score is better than 99.95% of all

persons taking this test. All known occupations can be comprehended

with a General IQ this high. You should be able to handle any

academic challenges.

You scored higher than your General IQ Score in 6 individual ability

categories. 3 of these better scores could be called statistically

significant and may indicate special abilities, or that you were

distracted on those parts of the IQ Test that counted more heavily

in the other ability categories.

Arithmetic

Solving many of the IQ Test's problems required the ability to add,

subtract, multiply, and divide numbers mentally. Many mental tasks

require arithmetical operations even though numbers may not be

involved, and thus number manipulation abilities can strongly

indicate general intelligence.

Your Arithmetic IQ score of 160 is exceptionally higher than your

General IQ score.This score is better than greater than 99.99% of

all persons taking this test.

Spatial Skill

Understanding what changes will occur when conditions vary is a deep

and powerful ability of the mind. All invention and creativity of

every sort is based upon this ability. Although test problems

usually involve manipulation of objects in space, persons with a

stronger ability to spatially manipulate can also be expected to use

this ability to be able to better predict how social and

psychological situations would change due to variation.

Your Spatial Skill IQ score of 164 is exceptionally higher than your

General IQ score.This score is better than greater than 99.99% of

all persons taking this test.

Logical

This is the ability to determine if a set of rules has been

correctly followed. This ability is most useful in combination with

other mental skills listed above. Those with strong logical ability

are quicker to see where a given set of conditions is going to lead,

have a strong sense of justice, and better understand--from an

intellectual analysis--the benefits of harmony.

Your Logical IQ score of 160 is exceptionally higher than your

General IQ score.This score is better than greater than 99.99% of

all persons taking this test.

Spelling

The ability to spell can indicate general intelligence. Remembering

a set sequence of letters indicates the mind's ability to retrieve

remembered facts. Learning how to spell and use the words of a

language is almost a complete IQ test in itself. Although poor

spellers with high IQ scores can be found, it is rare, and in

general--everything else being equal--the better spellers have

higher IQ scores.

Your Spelling IQ score of 144 is not significantly different from

your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.83% of all

persons taking this test.

Short Term Memory

The ability to remember things for a short period of time allows the

mind to check back and retrieve facts needed to complete a problem

solving operation. This ability becomes more critical when problems

have many aspects that need consideration and/or need to be solved

mentally. This ability strongly determines how efficiently one

handles the many aspects of normal life. If your short term memory

ability is strong you are much less likely to seem inattentive

or " slow to get it " to others.

Your Short Term Memory IQ score of 133 is significantly lower than

your General IQ score.This score is better than 98.61% of all

persons taking this test.

Rote Utilization

This is the ability to take a set of memorized facts and mentally

extract and/or operate with or upon the facts within the set that

are pertinent to the problem at hand. Persons with more of this

ability can be expected to spell well, remember telephone and other

numbers easily, be more adroit in procedural operations, and have a

stronger foundation for tasks that require the use of memorized

material.

Your Rote Utilization IQ score of 152 is not significantly different

from your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.97% of all

persons taking this test.

Algebraic

This is the ability of the mind to abstractly handle quantities and

qualities. Persons who are strong in this ability can more quickly

and more deeply understand analogies, stories, derivations,

equalities, and hierarchical structures.

Your Algebraic IQ score of 144 is not significantly different from

your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.83% of all

persons taking this test.

General Knowledge

Knowledge that is casually picked up and remembered can indicate

intelligence, because persons with higher intelligence will exhibit

greater retention of those pieces of information that are

encountered less often. Because higher intelligence allows a person

to have a deeper appreciation of the connectivity of facts that may

seem disparate to others of lesser intelligence, memory of such

facts becomes easier.

Your General Knowledge IQ score of 152 is not significantly

different from your General IQ score.This score is better than

99.97% of all persons taking this test.

Visual Apprehension

This is the ability of the mind to mentally picture visual

information and to be able to extract portions of that information

for separate use. A person whose visual apprehension is strong

enjoys a richer, more creative appreciation of visual aspects of

experiences.

Your Visual Apprehension IQ score of 146 is not significantly

different from your General IQ score.This score is better than

99.89% of all persons taking this test.

Geometric

How well one can comprehend geometric relationships of lines, sides,

planes, angles, and topological properties strongly determines one's

ability to make sense of visual information. The strength of one's

geometric ability can strongly determine how quickly knowledge can

be absorbed if it is presented visually.

Your Geometric IQ score of 144 is not significantly different from

your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.83% of all

persons taking this test.

Vocabulary

Knowing the meaning of words is an ability that directly increases

along with the increase of general intelligence. The meaning of a

word is more easily remembered with higher intelligence, because it

takes more intelligence to understand and correctly use words based

upon the subtle differences between words with similar meanings and

to comprehend difficult concepts which are sometimes symbolized by a

single word.

Your Vocabulary IQ score of 144 is not significantly different from

your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.83% of all

persons taking this test.

Intuition

Intuition is defined as that ability of the mind to develop answers

to questions without consciously dealing with the problem at hand.

Often a question will provoke your mind to answer without using

conscious processing time, and the answer is said to come " out of

the blue " or " suddenly, it just struck me " . Of all the many

abilities of the mind, this is one of the most often used. Just

knowing what to do is often an automatic process that occurs without

much conscious figuring. Those with stronger intuition make less

mistakes and can seem luckier, wiser, or more mature.

Your Intuition IQ score of 156 is not significantly different from

your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.99% of all

persons taking this test.

Computational Speed

If you can correctly solve a variety of problems faster than another

person, you may be demonstrating a generally more orderly internal

arrangement of your mind's problem solving methods. While speed

cannot be the sole factor in determining overall superiority in one

mental operations, in general faster computational speed will often

indicate that a problem's comprehension was more complete. With

everything else being equal, a person with faster computational

speed than another person's will be better at tasks that require the

synthesis of many bits of information.

Your Computational Speed IQ score of 138 is significantly lower than

your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.44% of all

persons taking this test.

With the discussion of intelligence that has come up, I have a

question. I had an IQ test (a WAIS-R). It was given by a

psychologist. I had a significant difference between the verbal and

non-verbal scores. The difference was 27 points where the standard

deviation was 10. Usually people's scores are similar and a

difference greater that 15 is considered significant.

She said that such a difference was part of the constalation of

skills/symptoms of AS. And so with other behaviors included, the AS

dx was made. Do others show this disparity in IQ (if you had a formal

testing of IQ)?

Just curious.

and the zoo.

[Guest guest]

, the WAIS-R is a bit out of date but hopefully Weschler will come out

with an update for the adult intelligence scale as they have done for the

children's intelligence scale (WISC-IV). With the update we find that

processing speed has a strong affect on verbal and nonverbal scales.

However, that was not your question was it? The deviation will vary per

person and " severity " (I use this term with a small giggle of disbelief - my

training argues that I use the term but the fact that I have AS and view my AS

as a benefit argues with the training). Without the full scores (which I

personally would NEVER post in an unsecure location) I can not help out

much but I hope the information I have provided assists.

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> With the discussion of intelligence that has come up, I have a

> question. I had an IQ test (a WAIS-R). It was given by a

> psychologist. I had a significant difference between the verbal and

> non-verbal scores. The difference was 27 points where the standard

> deviation was 10. Usually people's scores are similar and a difference

> greater that 15 is considered significant.

>

> She said that such a difference was part of the constalation of

> skills/symptoms of AS. And so with other behaviors included, the AS dx

> was made. Do others show this disparity in IQ (if you had a formal

> testing of IQ)?

>

> Just curious.

> and the zoo.