Re: No. X #11 (S2 Ep 3)

[Guest guest]

Yes, Gene, the crowd at the funeral pyre did seem to form a mandala. And

they did all embrace this man somehow - and Marilyn saying when the body

parts would be sent somewhere for autopsy, they needed to come back to

Cicely. And only then could there be closure and buriel.

Not sure what all of this means. The man dying in 's office...And the

community of Cicely getting so involved and surrounding him.

Where is this taking us?

Sara

Re: No. X #11

> Re: Episode #11 or Series 2, #3:

>

> Holling's penis is the subject here. In spite of the fact he was very

manly

> when he through the guy out of the bar, He believes that will be

even

> more attracted to him if he is circumcised, and so he goes to Fleishman to

> have the job done. Very funny conversation about this as they peer under

the

> covers at " ny " .

>

> Fleishman also is pulled into a little charade with Maggie and her father

and

> he seems to be a little more wise in both instances than usual. Maybe

he's

> starting to grow up. Then there is the unknown dead man, and how the

people

> of Cicely claim him as their own. Quite a variety of themes.

>

> There is something to say about the God, Phallos, here, about which Daryl

> Sharp has published.

>

> A friend of mine, who is a urologist lent me a book on ancient erotic

> statuary and art, and I was amazed at how frequently statues of the

phallus

> appeared in Greek and Roman times, sometimes at crossroads, like wayside

> chapels, and among the family gods. Now, it is important to a male that

> first his mother and later, the woman or women he loves to show their

> approval of his penis. Of course, there is oedipal material here., but I

> think appropriate masculine self-esteem comes in here, too.

>

> And Maggie becomes the little girl who needs her father's approval. She

> loses her Athena qualities and falls into a pantomime in which she lives

out

> what she believes her father really wants. The fact that he approves of

> seems to resonate with her at least from the sound of her voice when she

> says, " Oh, really! " seems determined to bust up this little drama,

and

> the father seems to intuit that will play an important role in her

life.

> I wonder why Maggie is always drawn to losers?

>

> Regarding her boyfriends' deaths, I am familiar as may be some of you with

> the story of Tobias in the Apocrypha, which has a similar theme. Tobias

goes

> on a journey to claim his bride in Arabia and learns that she has had

seven

> husbands who all died at the hands of an evil spirit on the wedding night.

> Tobias learns the magic by which to overcome the demon and wins , his

> bride, as her final and lasting husband.

>

> The unknown dead man who has absolutely no identity seems to acquire an

> identity as the people of Cicely maintain a vigil and as they talk to him.

> Interesting that they used a funeral pyre rather than burial. As I

mentioned

> I lived in northern Canada for several years, and the custom was to dig a

> number of graves in the Fall so that there would be plenty of spaces- if

> needed- after the ground froze. As usual, is the minister, and the

> poem that Maggie delivered was by an English poet and was very familiar

but I

> couldn't recall his name. It was about love that endures that I recall,

and

> seemed in some way to have some bearing on her relationship with ,

only

> indirectly. Notice 's reaction to this reading. BTW, the

" congregation "

> gathered around the funeral pyre seemed to form a perfect mandala. And

the

> chant that began was otherworldly.

>

> I look forward to others' comments.

>

> Gene

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/30/2000 7:35:21 PM Central Daylight Time,

saratw2@... writes:

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Where is this taking us?

>>

I suspect into ourselves. What gets stirred up in us with these images?

Gene