Re: Linden blossom absolute

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At 10:02 AM 3/17/01 +0000, you wrote:

> Speaking of adulteration, how's that Linden blossom

>you carry selling? You should know by now that all the linden on the market

>is a fragrance compound thats loaded with hydroxycitronellol, a synthetic

>aromachemical and not naturally occurring. I'll be glad to analyze it for

>your to prove it if you want to send me a sample.

It has been analyzed, by a fairly wellknown essential oil chemist, who

believes that 1. it is real and 2. that it is a superb specimen. The only

one he has seen that will come close to it is the one offered by

at Leydet.

He analyzed it as a part of research he was doing into, oddly enough,

Linden absolute.

I'll be glad to pass your comments along to him of course.

you know, Rob, you can get really tacky at times. I still have the

messages where you attacked me for daring to say that the Rose Geranium EO

seemed less than authentic, based on input from other chemists with years

more experience in this field than you had.. It's all well and good to

blame your employer for buying the stuff...but it was your responsibility

to know whether it was the real thing or not.

And publicly attacking someone who questioned it, with backup from more

knowledeable analysts...well, some things never change.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind that your knowledge of eo chemisty far

exceeds mine. However, you also know that I test my oils, and reject

those that are NOT what they should be. You've done some testing for me

in the past, and know that I've sent back adulterated oils to some fairly

prominent sources.

Actually, tho, my lack of chemical expertise stands me in good

stead...everyone knows that I could not, for example, concoct a synthetic

patchouli oil when there is a shortage of true patchouli... or 'enhance'

any of the oils I carry.

It takes more than a PhD in chemistry to build trust in this industry.

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> It has been analyzed, by a fairly wellknown essential oil chemist, who

> believes that 1. it is real and 2. that it is a superb specimen. The only

> one he has seen that will come close to it is the one offered by

> at Leydet.

Marge,

If you have the analysis then I would be very interested to see it from a

purely research standpoint since every sample I have ever analyzed has been

a fake and I have confirmation from more than one expert (including one that

has over 30 years experience in the fragrance and essential oil field) that

the true, all natural, linden absolute does not exist. If you do have the

analysis then it should be no problem for you to put it up on your site or

email or fax it to me. I am not above being wrong and if it is the real

thing then I will post a full apology to you and the list. This is not an

attempt to make you look bad Marge, I would love to find out that true

linden blossom absolute exists. Nobody is above buying adulterated oils,

not you, not me, not anybody. The extent of adulteration in this industry

incredibly high. Analysis cannot even protect you all of the time as I have

learned, but you do the best you can with what you've got. I am not trying

to fault you for buying an adulterated product but I have already analyzed

your linden (sent to me by one of your customers) and so I know what I am

talking about (of course its entirely possible that you are carrying a

different lot now). The customer did not pay me for the analysis, only sent

it to me for my opinion. I told them that it smelled OK but that I didn't

have time to do the analysis for free. I later did the anlysis but I did

not tell your customer the results because you were also one of my customers

at the time and I did not want to create trouble for you. I still have not

told your customer what I found and have desire to do you any harm Marge.

As for your comments here:

<It's all well and good to

> blame your employer for buying the stuff...but it was your responsibility

> to know whether it was the real thing or not.

It was not my responsibility because that material was bought before I even

came to work for the company. I was only defending the company that I was

working for because I believed in them. I defended them blindly without

even research the topic more in detail, my mistake. I am sure you'll never

let me forget that.

> However, you also know that I test my oils, and reject

> those that are NOT what they should be.

I was not aware that you tested every batch of oil that you buy. Which

testing company do you use?

> Actually, tho, my lack of chemical expertise stands me in good

> stead...everyone knows that I could not, for example, concoct a synthetic

> patchouli oil when there is a shortage of true patchouli... or 'enhance'

> any of the oils I carry.

Actually there is not really any " synthetic patchouli oil " . There are

patchouli fragrances but anybody who knows anything about essential oils

would not try to pass of something else as patchouli because there is not

really anything out there that can replace the analytical profile of

patchouli oil or its main component, patchouli alcohol. Anyway, patchouli

is cheap oil and not worth the effort for them to come up with nature

identical synthetic aromachemicals to add to natural patchouli oil. Even

with the short-lived " shortage " that was apparently created by the suppliers

the price only got up to about $65 per kilo direct from Indonesia.

> It takes more than a PhD in chemistry to build trust in this industry.

I agree Marge.

Rob