Re: fm or something else

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn’t an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life — chemicals, shampoos with SLS and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body’s natural way of detoxing. Why would we stop it?

I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. I am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ought to be. My weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I’d recommend dropping any excess pounds anyone might need to lose.

I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn’t exercised in many years so the class was perfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help.

Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes two days a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn’t fun but is well worth it in the long run.

Kenda

for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have

pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes

away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that

sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need

some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am

going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else

will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still

and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this

before and how long before symptoms go away?

liz

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Kenda, what is SLS in shampoos? I know I have begun to notice if

products have parabens in them, such as methylparaben. I've just

recently learned that paraben ingredients are petroleum-based, right?

So, I don't want that on my skin anymore.

And exercise for fm? I can understand it taking a long time for that

suggestion to sink into action. I hate to exercise, but can feel that

I will become a tin man with no oil if I don't start moving. So, as my

muscles and breast tissue continue to " knit " and heal, I am moving

more, and moving more toward actively exercising. I want to live!!

[Guest guest]

so does it sound like fibro to you? tell me how you felt. did you have that problem with implants, the muscular pain? how long did it take before you felt better? at first were you doing anything? did you always have pain in the same spot? i have one spot on my body where it is very sore and no where else. does that sound right? where you diagnosed with fm or did you just have the symptoms? they say that you can never get rid of it. what kind of liver detox program did you follow? i thought with fibro you have pain all the time. i am sorry i am asking so many questions but i just need some help with answers. i havent been diagnosed with fm. jen on this website says she thinks its just my body healing from the implants. how did your muscles feel?

lizKenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Hi Liz,I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn’t an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life — chemicals, shampoos with SLS and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body’s natural way of detoxing. Why would we stop it? I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. I

am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ought to be. My weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I’d recommend dropping any excess pounds anyone might need to lose.I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn’t exercised in many years so the class was perfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help.

Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes two days a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn’t fun but is well worth it in the long run.Kenda

for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this before and how long before symptoms go away?lizOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

SLS is sodium laurel sulfate. There is a lot of disagreement as to whether or not it causes cancer and other health problems. Most shampoos have it. I buy my shampoo at the health food store and look for products that don’t include it. I steer clear of parabens too. To me, there is no reason to use a product that could cause health problems if you can avoid it. This is how I started making my own soap, I always know what goes in it.

As for exercise, I HATED it at first. After you realize how much better it makes you feel, you learn to love it. The loving part did take longer to get to than the hating part.

Kenda

Kenda, what is SLS in shampoos? I know I have begun to notice if

products have parabens in them, such as methylparaben. I've just

recently learned that paraben ingredients are petroleum-based, right?

So, I don't want that on my skin anymore.

And exercise for fm? I can understand it taking a long time for that

suggestion to sink into action. I hate to exercise, but can feel that

I will become a tin man with no oil if I don't start moving. So, as my

muscles and breast tissue continue to " knit " and heal, I am moving

more, and moving more toward actively exercising. I want to live!!

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

No, it doesn’t sound like fibro to me. My fibro was a fluish, all over sick feeling with painful areas that were pretty much constant. My neck and trap muscles were always tight and sore and I received trigger point injections for them often. Other trigger points were sore but not as bad. If I over did it, cooking too long, going on vacation and not resting, gardening, I would end up in bed for two weeks.

I was diagnosed with fibro by a rheumatologist. Unlike most everyone, if not everyone here, I never had breast implants, the kind ladies here talked me out of it prior to my surgery date a couple of weeks ago. If you have pain in one area, it is not fibro. One of the ways fibro is diagnosed is by trigger points. I don’t remember exactly how many, 8 comes to mind but could be more, have to be tender for the diagnosis to be fibro. I was diagnosed 12 years ago so my memory isn’t clear on the exact number. I, too, was told that you never get rid of fibro. Perhaps that is true but I have been symptom free for about 6 years.

I have done a very comprehensive liver detox program for 6 years, with the help of ND’s. The product that works the best for me is AdvaClear, made by Metagenics. You can get it online at healthfirst.com. I also used a few other supplements for liver detoxing by other companies but the AdvaClear is by far the best. One that is even stronger is UltraClear, also by Metagenics. I stay on AdvaClear, even though I am symptom free because I know my liver is sluggish. I also take Liver Protect by Xymogen.

It sounds to me like you are having symptoms due to healing, rather than fibro.

Kenda

so does it sound like fibro to you? tell me how you felt. did you have that problem with implants, the muscular pain? how long did it take before you felt better? at first were you doing anything? did you always have pain in the same spot? i have one spot on my body where it is very sore and no where else. does that sound right? where you diagnosed with fm or did you just have the symptoms? they say that you can never get rid of it. what kind of liver detox program did you follow? i thought with fibro you have pain all the time. i am sorry i am asking so many questions but i just need some help with answers. i havent been diagnosed with fm. jen on this website says she thinks its just my body healing from the implants. how did your muscles feel?

liz

Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Hi Liz,

I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn‚t an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life ˜ chemicals, shampoos with SLS and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body‚s natural way of detoxing. Why would we stop it?

I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. nbsp;I am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ought to be. My weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I‚d recommend dropping any excess pounds anyone might need to lose.

I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn‚t exercised in many years so the class was perfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help.

Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes two days a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn‚t fun but is well worth it in the long run.

Kenda

for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have

pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes

away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that

sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need

some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am

going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else

will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still

and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this

before and how long before symptoms go away?

liz

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care profession al before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

you are saying that you always had pain in the same areas? i sometimes feel achy but never that bad.one area will be really sore like i pulled a muscle and it is never the same spot. then i might have some achy areas in other places. did you arms or ribs ever bother you? i have never had pain in the same spot. i really appreciate your advice.

lizKenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

No, it doesn’t sound like fibro to me. My fibro was a fluish, all over sick feeling with painful areas that were pretty much constant. My neck and trap muscles were always tight and sore and I received trigger point injections for them often. Other trigger points were sore but not as bad. If I over did it, cooking too long, going on vacation and not resting, gardening, I would end up in bed for two weeks. I was diagnosed with fibro by a rheumatologist. Unlike most everyone, if not everyone here, I never had breast implants, the kind ladies here talked me out of it prior to my surgery date a couple of weeks ago. If you have pain in one area, it is not fibro. One of the ways fibro is diagnosed is by trigger points. I don’t remember exactly how

many, 8 comes to mind but could be more, have to be tender for the diagnosis to be fibro. I was diagnosed 12 years ago so my memory isn’t clear on the exact number. I, too, was told that you never get rid of fibro. Perhaps that is true but I have been symptom free for about 6 years. I have done a very comprehensive liver detox program for 6 years, with the help of ND’s. The product that works the best for me is AdvaClear, made by Metagenics. You can get it online at healthfirst.com. I also used a few other supplements for liver detoxing by other companies but the AdvaClear is by far the best. One that is even stronger is UltraClear, also by Metagenics. I stay on AdvaClear, even though I am symptom free because I know my liver is sluggish. I also take Liver Protect by Xymogen. It sounds to me like you are having symptoms due to healing, rather than fibro.Kenda

so does it sound like fibro to you? tell me how you felt. did you have that problem with implants, the muscular pain? how long did it take before you felt better? at first were you doing anything? did you always have pain in the same spot? i have one spot on my body where it is very sore and no where else. does that sound right? where you diagnosed with fm or did you just have the symptoms? they say that you can never get rid of it. what kind of liver detox program did you follow? i thought with fibro you have pain all the time. i am sorry i am asking so many questions but i just need some help with answers. i havent been diagnosed with fm. jen on this website says she thinks its just my body healing from the implants. how did your muscles feel? lizKenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Hi Liz,I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn‚t an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life ˜ chemicals, shampoos with SLS and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body‚s natural way of detoxing. Why would we stop it? I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. nbsp;I am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ought to be. My

weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I‚d recommend dropping any excess pounds anyone might need to lose.I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn‚t exercised in many years so the class was perfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help. Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes two days a week

and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn‚t fun but is well worth it in the long run.Kenda

for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this before and how long before symptoms go away?lizOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care profession al

before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Fibro is different for every person. If you only have pain in one trigger area, I would think you don’t have fibro. I don’t recall not having pain or discomfort every day, some days were worse than others. I always felt like I had the flu, that was my primary complaint. My arms and ribs didn’t bother me. Have you been explanted? If so, I would think the arm and rib pain would be due to explantation. Are you doing any type of detoxing? What is your diet and exercise like?

Kenda

you are saying that you always had pain in the same areas? i sometimes feel achy but never that bad.one area will be really sore like i pulled a muscle and it is never the same spot. then i might have some achy areas in other places. did you arms or ribs ever bother you? i have never had pain in the same spot. i really appreciate your advice.

liz

Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

No, it doesn‚t sound like fibro to me. My fibro was a fluish, all over sick feeling with painful areas that were pretty much constant. My neck and trap muscles were always tight and sore and I received trigger point injections for them often. Other trigger points were sore but not as bad. If I over did it, cooking too long, going on vacation and not resting, gardening, I would end up in bed for two weeks.

I was diagnosed with fibro by a rheumatologist. Unlike most everyone, if not everyone here, I never had breast implants, the kind ladies here talked me out of it prior to my surgery date a couple of weeks ago. If you have pain in one area, it is not fibro. One of the ways fibro is diagnosed is by trigger points. I don‚t remember exactl y how many, 8 comes to mind but could be more, have to be tender for the diagnosis to be fibro. I was diagnosed 12 years ago so my memory isn‚t clear on the exact number. I, too, was told that you never get rid of fibro. Perhaps that is true but I have been symptom free for about 6 years.

I have done a very comprehensive liver detox program for 6 years, with the help of ND‚s. The product that works the best for me is AdvaClear, made by Metagenics. You can get it online at healthfirst.com. I also used a few other supplements for liver detoxing by other companies but the AdvaClear is by far the best. One that is even stronger is UltraClear, also by Metagenics. I stay on AdvaClear, even though I am symptom free because I know my liver is sluggish. I also take Liver Protect by Xymogen.

It sounds to me like you are having symptoms due to healing, rather than fibro.

Kenda

so does it sound like fibro to you? tell me how you felt. did you have that problem with implants, the muscular pain? how long did it take before you felt better? at first were you doing anything? did you always have pain in the same spot? i have one spot on my body where it is very sore and no where else. does that sound right? where you diagnosed with fm or did you just have the symptoms? they say that you can never get rid of it. what kind of liver detox program did you follow? i thought with fibro you have pain all the time. i am sorry i am asking so many questions but i just need some help with answers. i havent been diagnosed with fm. jen on this website says she thinks its just my body healing from the implants. how did your muscles feel?

liz

Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Hi Liz,

I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn≠t an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life ˘ chemicals, shampoos with SLS and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body≠s natural way of detoxing. Why would we stop it?

I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. nbsp;I am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ought to be. My weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I≠d recommend dropping any excess pounds anyone might need to lose.

I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn≠t exercised in many years so the class was perfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help.

Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes two day s a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn≠t fun but is well worth it in the long run.

Kenda

for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have

pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes

away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that

sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need

some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am

going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else

will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still

and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this

before and how long before symptoms go away?

liz

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care profession al before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

i have been explanted about 3 weeks ago and still have pain. i know everyone tells me that it is too soon and that i need to give it time to go away. i had those things in my body for 6 months and it could have done alot of damage, so i should give myself at least that amount of time. i take a strong vitamin and vitamin c and zinc, but i think i am going to start a liver detox program like what you told me. that might help. i eat very healthy and walk on my treadmill every day for 15 minutes, i am just starting out with the exercising because of the way i have been feeling. what other kind of detoxing do you recommend?

lizKenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Fibro is different for every person. If you only have pain in one trigger area, I would think you don’t have fibro. I don’t recall not having pain or discomfort every day, some days were worse than others. I always felt like I had the flu, that was my primary complaint. My arms and ribs didn’t bother me. Have you been explanted? If so, I would think the arm and rib pain would be due to explantation. Are you doing any type of detoxing? What is your diet and exercise like?Kenda

you are saying that you always had pain in the same areas? i sometimes feel achy but never that bad.one area will be really sore like i pulled a muscle and it is never the same spot. then i might have some achy areas in other places. did you arms or ribs ever bother you? i have never had pain in the same spot. i really appreciate your advice. lizKenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

No, it doesn‚t sound like fibro to me. My fibro was a fluish, all over sick feeling with painful areas that were pretty much constant. My neck and trap muscles were always tight and sore and I received trigger point injections for them often. Other trigger points were sore but not as bad. If I over did it, cooking too long, going on vacation and not resting, gardening, I would end up in bed for two weeks. I was diagnosed with fibro by a rheumatologist. Unlike most everyone, if not everyone here, I never had breast implants, the kind ladies here talked me out of it prior to my surgery date a couple of weeks ago. If you have pain in one area, it is not fibro. One of the ways fibro is diagnosed is by trigger points. I don‚t remember exactl y how many, 8 comes to mind but could be more, have to be tender for the diagnosis to be fibro.

I was diagnosed 12 years ago so my memory isn‚t clear on the exact number. I, too, was told that you never get rid of fibro. Perhaps that is true but I have been symptom free for about 6 years. I have done a very comprehensive liver detox program for 6 years, with the help of ND‚s. The product that works the best for me is AdvaClear, made by Metagenics. You can get it online at healthfirst.com. I also used a few other supplements for liver detoxing by other companies but the AdvaClear is by far the best. One that is even stronger is UltraClear, also by Metagenics. I stay on AdvaClear, even though I am symptom free because I know my liver is sluggish. I also take Liver Protect by Xymogen. It sounds to me like you are having symptoms due to healing, rather than fibro.Kenda

so does it sound like fibro to you? tell me how you felt. did you have that problem with implants, the muscular pain? how long did it take before you felt better? at first were you doing anything? did you always have pain in the same spot? i have one spot on my body where it is very sore and no where else. does that sound right? where you diagnosed with fm or did you just have the symptoms? they say that you can never get rid of it. what kind of liver detox program did you follow? i thought with fibro you have pain all the time. i am sorry i am asking so many questions but i just need some help with answers. i havent been diagnosed with fm. jen on this website says she thinks its just my body healing from the implants. how did your muscles feel? lizKenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Hi Liz,I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn≠t an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life ˘ chemicals, shampoos with SLS and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body≠s natural way of detoxing. Why would we stop it? I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. nbsp;I am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ought to

be. My weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I≠d recommend dropping any excess pounds anyone might need to lose.I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn≠t exercised in many years so the class was perfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help. Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week,

do yoga classes two day s a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn≠t fun but is well worth it in the long run.Kenda

for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this before and how long before symptoms go away?lizOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care profession al

before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

I’d eliminate all the toxins you can from your environment and diet. I would expect you to still have pain after just three weeks. Even though you had your implants just a short time, you have to remember that they were toxic to your body. There are many women who have the same implant in their bodies and don’t react as you did. I’d expect to detox for at least as long as you had the implants, probably longer.

Kenda

i have been explanted about 3 weeks ago and still have pain. i know everyone tells me that it is too soon and that i need to give it time to go away. i had those things in my body for 6 months and it could have done alot of damage, so i should give myself at least that amount of time. i take a strong vitamin and vitamin c and zinc, but i think i am going to start a liver detox program like what you told me. that might help. i eat very healthy and walk on my treadmill every day for 15 minutes, i am just starting out with the exercising because of the way i have been feeling. what other kind of detoxing do you recommend?

liz

Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Fibro is different for every person. If you only have pain in one trigger area, I would think you don‚t have fibro. I don‚t recall not having pain or discomfort every day, some days were worse than others. I always felt like I had the flu, that was my primary complaint. My arms and ribs didn‚t bother me. Have you been explanted? If so, I would think the arm and rib pain would be due to explantation. Are you doing any type of detoxing? What is your diet and exercise like?

Kenda

you are saying that you always had pain in the same areas? i sometimes feel achy but never that bad.one area will be really sore like i pulled a muscle and it is never the same spot. then i might have some achy areas in other places. did you arms or ribs ever bother you? i have never had pain in the same spot. i really appreciate your advice.

liz

Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

No, it doesn≠t sound like fibro to me. My fibro was a fluish, all over sick feeling with painful areas that were pretty much constant. My neck and trap muscles were always tight and sore and I received trigger point injections for them often. Other trigger points were sore but not as bad. If I over did it, cooking too long, going on vacation and not resting, gardening, I would end up in bed for two weeks.

I was diagnosed with fibro by a rheumatologist. Unlike most everyone, if not everyone here, I never had breast implants, the kind ladies here talked me out of it prior to my surgery date a couple of weeks ago. If you have pain in one area, it is not fibro. One of the ways fibro is diagnosed is by trigger points. I don≠t remember exactl y how many, 8 comes to mind but could be more, have to be tender for the diagnosis to be fibro. I was diagnosed 12 years ago so my memory isn≠t clear on the exact number. I, too, was told that you never get rid of fibro. Perhaps that is true but I have been symptom free for about 6 years.

I have done a very comprehensive liver detox program for 6 years, with the help of ND≠s. The product that works the best for me is AdvaClear, made by Metagenics. You can get it online at healthfirst.com. I also used a few other supplements for liver detoxing by other companies but the AdvaClear is by far the best. One that is even stronger is UltraClear, also by Metagenics. I stay on AdvaClear, even though I am symptom free because I know my liver is sluggish. I also take Liver Protect by Xymogen.

It sounds to me like you are having symptoms due to healing, rather than fibro.

Kenda

so does it sound like fibro to you? tell me how you felt. did you have that problem with implants, the muscular pain? how long did it take before you felt better? at first were you doing anything? did you always have pain in the same spot? i have one spot on my body where it is very sore and no where else. does that sound right? where you diagnosed with fm or did you just have the symptoms? they say that you can never get rid of it. what kind of liver detox program did you follow? i thought with fibro you have pain all the time. i am sorry i am asking so many questions but i just need some help with answers. i havent been diagnosed with fm. jen on this website says she thinks its just my body healing from the implants. how did your muscles feel?

liz

Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Hi Liz,

I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn≠t an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life ˘ chemicals, shampoos with SLS and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body≠s natural way of detoxing. Why would we stop it?

I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. nbsp;I am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ou ght to be. My weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I≠d recommend dropping any excess pounds anyone might need to lose.

I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn≠t exercised in many years so the class was perfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help.

Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes two day s a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn≠t fun but is well worth it in the long run.

Kenda

for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have

pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes

away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that

sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need

some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am

going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else

will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still

and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this

before and how long before symptoms go away?

liz

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care profession al before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

elizabeth

Your symptoms sound like my fibromyalgia symptoms. I was diagnosed

twenty years ago by a rhuematologist. I have had about every

symptom imaginable. For years my symptoms were very sporadic--pain

one day, gone the next. Some days I felt bad part of the day and

great the rest of the day. The pain moved around. Everyone is

different. All that really matters is how to get rid of your

symptoms. A diagnosis isn't important. There is no " cure " for

fibro anyway so why bother worrying if you have it. Many people now

believe that fibromyalgia is a dysregulation of your autonomic

nervous system. Again, the question is Why? and what can I do to

reverse it. Detoxing, getting your implants out, killing off

candida, stretching, exercising, supplementing, these are all ways

to help nudge your body back into working properly. The guafenisen

therapy that some of you are talking about is based on the theory

that the cells are toxic (which I am sure they are) and that the

guafenisen helps the cells excrete the build up of these toxin--

which dr. amand believes to be phospates. He says that as you take

the guaifenisen you will feel worse (possiblymuch worse) before you

feel better--he calls it cycling. I actually saw him speak about

ten years ago in illinois. I did the guai therapy

for six months about 4 years ago and got really sick. AT first I

thought it was just " cycling " but then I got all of these awful

symptoms. It is possible that I just couldn't handle the toxicity

as my body has trouble eliminating toxins and I still had implants

at the time. I seem to have major detoxification inadequacies. The

guai

can help the cells release the toxins, but then the body has to mop

them up. I think I release toxins but then can't eliminate them and

that is why I react so strongly to everything. I will say that

I know some people who have regained their health with guaifenisen.

Dr. Devin Stanyl has fms and she wrote a book on fms and myofascial

therapy and she credits guafenisen therapy with really helping her.

I think it is worth a try. I think you shouldn't focus so much on

diagnosis, but rather on helping your body to heal itself. No

autoimmune disease has a " cure " according to doctors. They just

prescribe painkillers and muscle relaxers and even immune

suppressants to " control " your symptoms. THe only cure is to help

your body find a way to restore the working order that God gave it.

That can sometimes be a lengthy and tedious process. We are so

amazingly complicated. But one thing we know for sure--a body that

is toxic can't work right. That is why we all talk about detoxing

so much. Getting your implants out is going to give you the best

chance of getting well. With them out, you may still need to

detoxify, etc. to get your body back into a healing mode.

Hugs

kathy

> Hi Liz,

>

> I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic

everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I

eliminated beef for four years because there wasn't an organic

source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and

no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I

also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the

years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic

substances that I could from my life — chemicals, shampoos with

SLS

and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about

it, sweat is the body's natural way of detoxing. Why would we

stop

it?

>

> I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as

close to normal as it can. I am more liberal with my diet now,

probably more so than I ought to be. My weight problem is trying to

gain, rather than lose but I'd recommend dropping any excess

pounds

anyone might need to lose.

>

> I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It

was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more

gentle. I hadn't exercised in many years so the class was

perfect

for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a

few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I

noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms

were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in

beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and

sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two

years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I

thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did

help.

>

> Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes

two days a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely

active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and

it isn't fun but is well worth it in the long run.

>

> Kenda

>

>

> for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never

have

> pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it

goes

> away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does

that

> sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just

need

> some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i

am

> going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else

> will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants

still

> and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with

this

> before and how long before symptoms go away?

>

> liz

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if FM is " curable " . . . since it isn't a

disease but a group of symptoms, the idea is to learn

how to control the symptoms.

For myself, I can go for long periods where I don't

even know I have FM . . . but, if I go too far off my

" program " some of the symptoms return.

The good news is that, now that I understand it, I

know what's going on and can change my behavior before

I'm in trouble.

Life is good!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I was told by my rheumatologist years ago that it is not curable. I have always considered myself cured because I have had no symptoms at all for close to 6 years. I have stayed on a constant detox program so who knows, maybe I’m not cured but lucky instead.

Kenda

I don't know if FM is " curable " . . . since it isn't a

disease but a group of symptoms, the idea is to learn

how to control the symptoms.

For myself, I can go for long periods where I don't

even know I have FM . . . but, if I go too far off my

" program " some of the symptoms return.

The good news is that, now that I understand it, I

know what's going on and can change my behavior before

I'm in trouble.

Life is good!

Hugs,

Rogene

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

thank you,

did you get rid of all your symptoms? and what did you do? give me some advice. i think that my implants triggered fm and maybe i just have the symptoms and can get rid of them, but we will see. any suggestions? do you think it could still be my body healing from the implants?

lizmikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:

elizabethYour symptoms sound like my fibromyalgia symptoms. I was diagnosed twenty years ago by a rhuematologist. I have had about every symptom imaginable. For years my symptoms were very sporadic--pain one day, gone the next. Some days I felt bad part of the day and great the rest of the day. The pain moved around. Everyone is different. All that really matters is how to get rid of your symptoms. A diagnosis isn't important. There is no "cure" for fibro anyway so why bother worrying if you have it. Many people now believe that fibromyalgia is a dysregulation of your autonomic nervous system. Again, the question is Why? and what can I do to reverse it. Detoxing, getting your implants out, killing off candida, stretching, exercising, supplementing, these

are all ways to help nudge your body back into working properly. The guafenisen therapy that some of you are talking about is based on the theory that the cells are toxic (which I am sure they are) and that the guafenisen helps the cells excrete the build up of these toxin--which dr. amand believes to be phospates. He says that as you take the guaifenisen you will feel worse (possiblymuch worse) before you feel better--he calls it cycling. I actually saw him speak about ten years ago in illinois. I did the guai therapy for six months about 4 years ago and got really sick. AT first I thought it was just "cycling" but then I got all of these awful symptoms. It is possible that I just couldn't handle the toxicity as my body has trouble eliminating toxins and I still had implants at the time. I seem to have major detoxification inadequacies. The guai can help the cells release the

toxins, but then the body has to mop them up. I think I release toxins but then can't eliminate them and that is why I react so strongly to everything. I will say that I know some people who have regained their health with guaifenisen. Dr. Devin Stanyl has fms and she wrote a book on fms and myofascial therapy and she credits guafenisen therapy with really helping her. I think it is worth a try. I think you shouldn't focus so much on diagnosis, but rather on helping your body to heal itself. No autoimmune disease has a "cure" according to doctors. They just prescribe painkillers and muscle relaxers and even immune suppressants to "control" your symptoms. THe only cure is to help your body find a way to restore the working order that God gave it. That can sometimes be a lengthy and tedious process. We are so amazingly complicated. But one thing we know for sure--a

body that is toxic can't work right. That is why we all talk about detoxing so much. Getting your implants out is going to give you the best chance of getting well. With them out, you may still need to detoxify, etc. to get your body back into a healing mode.Hugskathy> Hi Liz,> > I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn't an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life — chemicals, shampoos withSLS and even under arm deodorant/anti

perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body's natural way of detoxing. Why would westop it? > > I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. I am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ought to be. My weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I'd recommend dropping any excesspounds anyone might need to lose.> > I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn't exercised in many years so the class wasperfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key

in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help. > > Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes two days a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn't fun but is well worth it in the long run.> > Kenda> > > for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have > pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes > away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that > sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need > some help to help

get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am > going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else > will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still > and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this > before and how long before symptoms go away?> > liz> > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> > For Healing Therapies and

Detox info, and to view Testimonies of Victims, and Studies of harm by implants, go to:> /files/> > To view links to related websites on breast implants, go to:> /links > > > > --------------------------------->

[Guest guest]

-

Liz

I have gotten rid of many of my symptoms. I had fms for at least

six years before I got implants so I was surprised that many of

those symptoms went away also. AT the time of getting my implants

out I was diagnosed with mixed connective tissue disease with

lupus/scleroderma symptoms. I was having some twenty or more odd

symptoms and most of those are gone. The symptoms that I still get

are intermittent, not constant. I still get fatigue at times

and I still get alot of muscle twitches. But I am also

starting to go through menopause and that can produce all kinds of

symptoms. In addition, my husband died suddenly seven years ago,

and I was thrown into a severe depression and that really depresses

your immune system also. So I would say that I am doing really

pretty good all things considered. My biggest problem seems to be

with detoxing. I am ultra sensitive to everything and react

strongly and that makes it hard for me to persevere. Fms is one of

the most common diagnosis (correct or incorrect) that

implanted women who get sick receive. It is very possible that your

symptoms will go away as time goes on. Especially with helping your

body to detox.

It is hard to say what will help the most because we are so

individual. what helps me may not help you and vice versa. I would

say that it is important to make sure your diet is good. I would

recommend Dr.Jordin Rubin's book " the maker's diet " His book is

written for people wanting to recover from ill health from

autoimmune disease, cancer, etc. It makes alot of sense. He

recovered after nearly dying from Chrohn's disease and now owns a

company that produces very good organic supplements. Alot of us

really like his Primal Defense. It costs about $3l.00 for a month's

supply on maintenance dose. Primal defense replenishes the

intestine with good bacteria and helps control candida and other

pathogens. I would also add either oil of oregano or D'lenolate

(olive leaf extract by East Park Research. I had very good luck

with both. They both kill yeast, bacteria, virus, etc. I certainly

would include raw garlic. Garlic does so many things.

I really do think the liver cleanse is beneficial. If you go to

www.curezone.com you can read alot of info on the Hulda liver

cleanse. Many people notice a real improvement after doing these.

I just want to add that there are probably just as many people who

take many months to get better as there are those who seem to get

better right away. I don't say this to be discouraging, but rather

encouraging to those out there who got explanted and still don't

feel recovered. I am afraid that they will get the idea that

everyone feels " healed " almost immediately and so they aren't going

to get better. We have had many women lately who have felt

immediately so much better (almost well) that I am afraid that

someone who doesn't will feel that they must not be going to get

well.

That is definitely not true. AT least 2 women on this site that got

totally well took over a year to see good improvement. Patty, who

started this site, was still feeling " toxic " 2 years post explant.

Today she is totally back to normal. So don't feel discouraged if

symptoms take longer to resolve then you expected. Also, for some

reason, some of us have to work harder at recovery. For some women,

explantation and time seem to be almost the only factors in

recovery. For others, it takes alot of detox and trying different

protocols for resolution of most of their symptoms. I wouldn't

worry too much about what you choose to start with to try to detox.

Many of us have done many of the things talked about on this site.

It is kind of a discovery process to see what makes a difference and

what doesn't. That is one of the things that makes this site so

great--everyone sharing info and advice.

Hugs

kathy

-- In , Hogg

<elizabethhogg@s...> wrote:

> thank you,

>

> did you get rid of all your symptoms? and what did you do? give me

some advice. i think that my implants triggered fm and maybe i just

have the symptoms and can get rid of them, but we will see. any

suggestions? do you think it could still be my body healing from the

implants?

>

> liz

>

> mikat828 <mikat828@y...> wrote:

>

>

> elizabeth

> Your symptoms sound like my fibromyalgia symptoms. I was

diagnosed

> twenty years ago by a rhuematologist. I have had about every

> symptom imaginable. For years my symptoms were very sporadic--

pain

> one day, gone the next. Some days I felt bad part of the day and

> great the rest of the day. The pain moved around. Everyone is

> different. All that really matters is how to get rid of your

> symptoms. A diagnosis isn't important. There is no " cure " for

> fibro anyway so why bother worrying if you have it. Many people

now

> believe that fibromyalgia is a dysregulation of your autonomic

> nervous system. Again, the question is Why? and what can I do to

> reverse it. Detoxing, getting your implants out, killing off

> candida, stretching, exercising, supplementing, these are all ways

> to help nudge your body back into working properly. The

guafenisen

> therapy that some of you are talking about is based on the theory

> that the cells are toxic (which I am sure they are) and that the

> guafenisen helps the cells excrete the build up of these toxin--

> which dr. amand believes to be phospates. He says that as you take

> the guaifenisen you will feel worse (possiblymuch worse) before

you

> feel better--he calls it cycling. I actually saw him speak about

> ten years ago in illinois. I did the guai therapy

> for six months about 4 years ago and got really sick. AT first I

> thought it was just " cycling " but then I got all of these awful

> symptoms. It is possible that I just couldn't handle the toxicity

> as my body has trouble eliminating toxins and I still had implants

> at the time. I seem to have major detoxification inadequacies.

The

> guai

> can help the cells release the toxins, but then the body has to

mop

> them up. I think I release toxins but then can't eliminate them

and

> that is why I react so strongly to everything. I will say that

> I know some people who have regained their health with

guaifenisen.

> Dr. Devin Stanyl has fms and she wrote a book on fms and

myofascial

> therapy and she credits guafenisen therapy with really helping

her.

> I think it is worth a try. I think you shouldn't focus so much on

> diagnosis, but rather on helping your body to heal itself. No

> autoimmune disease has a " cure " according to doctors. They just

> prescribe painkillers and muscle relaxers and even immune

> suppressants to " control " your symptoms. THe only cure is to help

> your body find a way to restore the working order that God gave

it.

> That can sometimes be a lengthy and tedious process. We are so

> amazingly complicated. But one thing we know for sure--a body

that

> is toxic can't work right. That is why we all talk about detoxing

> so much. Getting your implants out is going to give you the best

> chance of getting well. With them out, you may still need to

> detoxify, etc. to get your body back into a healing mode.

> Hugs

> kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi Liz,

> >

> > I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic

> everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I

> eliminated beef for four years because there wasn't an organic

> source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water

and

> no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I

> also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the

> years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic

> substances that I could from my life — chemicals, shampoos with

> SLS

> and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about

> it, sweat is the body's natural way of detoxing. Why would we

> stop

> it?

> >

> > I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as

> close to normal as it can. I am more liberal with my diet now,

> probably more so than I ought to be. My weight problem is trying

to

> gain, rather than lose but I'd recommend dropping any excess

> pounds

> anyone might need to lose.

> >

> > I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It

> was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more

> gentle. I hadn't exercised in many years so the class was

> perfect

> for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after

a

> few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I

> noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro

symptoms

> were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in

> beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and

> sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two

> years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did.

I

> thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did

> help.

> >

> > Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes

> two days a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely

> active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence

and

> it isn't fun but is well worth it in the long run.

> >

> > Kenda

> >

> >

> > for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never

> have

> > pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it

> goes

> > away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does

> that

> > sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i

just

> need

> > some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this.

i

> am

> > going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what

else

> > will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants

> still

> > and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with

> this

> > before and how long before symptoms go away?

> >

> > liz

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given

> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

how can i get in touch with dr leu? your nd, or know how to. please give me some suggestions on how to help with muscle symptoms and is it really fm?

lizKenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Fibro is different for every person. If you only have pain in one trigger area, I would think you don’t have fibro. I don’t recall not having pain or discomfort every day, some days were worse than others. I always felt like I had the flu, that was my primary complaint. My arms and ribs didn’t bother me. Have you been explanted? If so, I would think the arm and rib pain would be due to explantation. Are you doing any type of detoxing? What is your diet and exercise like?Kenda

you are saying that you always had pain in the same areas? i sometimes feel achy but never that bad.one area will be really sore like i pulled a muscle and it is never the same spot. then i might have some achy areas in other places. did you arms or ribs ever bother you? i have never had pain in the same spot. i really appreciate your advice. lizKenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

No, it doesn‚t sound like fibro to me. My fibro was a fluish, all over sick feeling with painful areas that were pretty much constant. My neck and trap muscles were always tight and sore and I received trigger point injections for them often. Other trigger points were sore but not as bad. If I over did it, cooking too long, going on vacation and not resting, gardening, I would end up in bed for two weeks. I was diagnosed with fibro by a rheumatologist. Unlike most everyone, if not everyone here, I never had breast implants, the kind ladies here talked me out of it prior to my surgery date a couple of weeks ago. If you have pain in one area, it is not fibro. One of the ways fibro is diagnosed is by trigger points. I don‚t remember exactl y how many, 8 comes to mind but could be more, have to be tender for the diagnosis to be fibro.

I was diagnosed 12 years ago so my memory isn‚t clear on the exact number. I, too, was told that you never get rid of fibro. Perhaps that is true but I have been symptom free for about 6 years. I have done a very comprehensive liver detox program for 6 years, with the help of ND‚s. The product that works the best for me is AdvaClear, made by Metagenics. You can get it online at healthfirst.com. I also used a few other supplements for liver detoxing by other companies but the AdvaClear is by far the best. One that is even stronger is UltraClear, also by Metagenics. I stay on AdvaClear, even though I am symptom free because I know my liver is sluggish. I also take Liver Protect by Xymogen. It sounds to me like you are having symptoms due to healing, rather than fibro.Kenda

so does it sound like fibro to you? tell me how you felt. did you have that problem with implants, the muscular pain? how long did it take before you felt better? at first were you doing anything? did you always have pain in the same spot? i have one spot on my body where it is very sore and no where else. does that sound right? where you diagnosed with fm or did you just have the symptoms? they say that you can never get rid of it. what kind of liver detox program did you follow? i thought with fibro you have pain all the time. i am sorry i am asking so many questions but i just need some help with answers. i havent been diagnosed with fm. jen on this website says she thinks its just my body healing from the implants. how did your muscles feel? lizKenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Hi Liz,I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn≠t an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life ˘ chemicals, shampoos with SLS and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body≠s natural way of detoxing. Why would we stop it? I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. nbsp;I am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ought to

be. My weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I≠d recommend dropping any excess pounds anyone might need to lose.I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn≠t exercised in many years so the class was perfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help. Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week,

do yoga classes two day s a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn≠t fun but is well worth it in the long run.Kenda

for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this before and how long before symptoms go away?lizOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care profession al

before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Liz,

I don't have Dr. Leu's information handy . . . He can

probably add to what I've been doing!

I've had FM for years . . . I am managing it to the

point that, most the time, I feel that I no longer

have it. Even my massage therapist says my body no

longer feels like I have FM.

It's terribly important to approach FM wholistically .

.. . Because messing up in any SINGLE area can trigger

a flare.

First . . . I need a sleep medication . . I take

Temazepam, 15 mg nightly. I refuse to go take more

than this, even if it means a bad night.

Deep, theraputic massage is essential for me . . . I

go every two weeks. At times, I've cut back to

monthly, but that doesn't last long. If you have

anyone willing to learn how to do the facia release

massages, you've got a golden friend! My doc suggested

my hubby learn how, but since he won't - he gets the

bills!

Far infrared sauna therapy is fantastic! The deep heat

gets rid of all but the most persistent pain . . . and

detoxes too! If you can't use a sauna, use hot baths,

showers. Avoid extreme cold situations.

It's important to supplement with Magnesium . . . The

way foods are raised now, it's impossible to eat

enough food to get the Magnesium you need. I recommend

Garden of Life products. Their calcium product is

properly formulated for the right calcium/magnesium

mix.

Stress/anger management is a must . . . That can be

hard to do, but you must find a way to deal with both

if they are affecting your health.

Drinking plenty of pure, unchlorinated water. . . 1/2

ounce per pound of body weight daily.

Treatment for systemic fungal/yeast infection.

Virtually everyone who has had implants has a problem.

Here again, I recommend Garden of Life products.

Fungal Defense (one bottle), the Primal Defense.

Eliminating sugar from your diet. NONE! eat only a

mininum of refined grains . . . whole grains are OK if

you aren't gluten sensitive. NO junk food, NO

processed food. Organic foods are preferred.

Moderate exercise is essential . . . If you hurt, then

spend your time laying or sitting around, I can

promise you, you're going to get worse and worse and

worse. You have to keep moving, even if it hurts!

I hope I haven't missed anything . . . Keep in mind,

this is not a pick and choose thing. I've found the

best prices for Garden of Life on

www.appleadayandbeyond.com. Be sure to use their

coupon. Also . . . diet wise, you can't go wrong with

the " The Maker's Diet " .

Hope this isn't overwhelming . . . Taken a step at a

time, it becomes a habit and the habit becomes a

lifestyle!

There are a number of books on managing FM. . . as

well as treating sytemic yeast. . . You might do well

to read one of them. . . If you're like me, you do

better knowing what you are dealing with!

Love,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi, Dr. Leu’s phone is 918 298-9300. I would recommend setting up a phone consultation and let him formulate a plan to regain your health. He is also working with another lady on this list, Jen.

Kenda

On 4/28/05 2:06 PM, " Hogg " <elizabethhogg@...> wrote:

how can i get in touch with dr leu? your nd, or know how to. please give me some suggestions on how to help with muscle symptoms and is it really fm?

liz

Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Fibro is different for every person. If you only have pain in one trigger area, I would think you don‚t have fibro. I don‚t recall not having pain or discomfort every day, some days were worse than others. I always felt like I had the flu, that was my primary complaint. My arms and ribs didn‚t bother me. Have you been explanted? If so, I would think the arm and rib pain would be due to explantation. Are you doing any type of detoxing? What is your diet and exercise like?

Kenda

you are saying that you always had pain in the same areas? i sometimes feel achy but never that bad.one area will be really sore like i pulled a muscle and it is never the same spot. then i might have some achy areas in other places. did you arms or ribs ever bother you? i have never had pain in the same spot. i really appreciate your advice.

liz

Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

No, it doesn≠t sound like fibro to me. My fibro was a fluish, all over sick feeling with painful areas that were pretty much constant. My neck and trap muscles were always tight and sore and I received trigger point injections for them often. Other trigger points were sore but not as bad. If I over did it, cooking too long, going on vacation and not resting, gardening, I would end up in bed for two weeks.

I was diagnosed with fibro by a rheumatologist. Unlike most everyone, if not everyone here, I never had breast implants, the kind ladies here talked me out of it prior to my surgery date a couple of weeks ago. If you have pain in one area, it is not fibro. One of the ways fibro is diagnosed is by trigger points. I don≠t remember exactl y how many, 8 comes to mind but could be more, have to be tender for the diagnosis to be fibro. I was diagnosed 12 years ago so my memory isn≠t clear on the exact number. I, too, was told that you never get rid of fibro. Perhaps that is true but I have been symptom free for about 6 years.

I have done a very comprehensive liver detox program for 6 years, with the help of ND≠s. The product that works the best for me is AdvaClear, made by Metagenics. You can get it online at healthfirst.com. I also used a few other supplements for liver detoxing by other companies but the AdvaClear is by far the best. One that is even stronger is UltraClear, also by Metagenics. I stay on AdvaClear, even though I am symptom free because I know my liver is sluggish. I also take Liver Protect by Xymogen.

It sounds to me like you are having symptoms due to healing, rather than fibro.

Kenda

so does it sound like fibro to you? tell me how you felt. did you have that problem with implants, the muscular pain? how long did it take before you felt better? at first were you doing anything? did you always have pain in the same spot? i have one spot on my body where it is very sore and no where else. does that sound right? where you diagnosed with fm or did you just have the symptoms? they say that you can never get rid of it. what kind of liver detox program did you follow? i thought with fibro you have pain all the time. i am sorry i am asking so many questions but i just need some help with answers. i havent been diagnosed with fm. jen on this website says she thinks its just my body healing from the implants. how did your muscles feel?

liz

Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> wrote:

Hi Liz,

I eliminated ALL refined and prepared foods. I ate organic everything -- produce, beans, nuts, fish, turkey and chicken. I eliminated beef for four years because there wasn≠t an organic source available, now there is. I drank lots of filtered water and no soda!! I ate very cleanly for two years and did not cheat. I also started a liver detox program and have stayed on it over the years, even though I now feel fine. I also eliminated all toxic substances that I could from my life ˘ chemicals, shampoos with SLS and even under arm deodorant/anti perspirant. If you think about it, sweat is the body≠s natural way of detoxing. Why would we stop it?

I know I have a sluggish liver and detoxing keeps it working as close to normal as it can. nbsp;I am more liberal with my diet now, probably more so than I ou ght to be. My weight problem is trying to gain, rather than lose but I≠d recommend dropping any excess pounds anyone might need to lose.

I started a water aerobics class for people with arthritis. It was a slower class than the regular water class and was much more gentle. I hadn≠t exercised in many years so the class was perfect for me. At first I was in a lot of pain following class but after a few weeks, I felt much better. It took a few months before I noticed a decrease in symptoms. Eventually all of my fibro symptoms were completely gone. I really believe exercise is a huge key in beating fibro. If you are a couch potato, muscles get stiff and sore. My rheumatologist kept trying to get me to exercise for two years before I did, explaining that I would feel better if I did. I thought I felt too sick to give it a try. She was right, it did help.

Now, I weight train and do cardio 3 days a week, do yoga classes two day s a week and cycle for fun when I want and am extremely active. It is tough to beat fibro, it takes a lot of diligence and it isn≠t fun but is well worth it in the long run.

Kenda

for anyone who has fibro help me answer these questions? i never have

pain in the same spots, and when the muscle is hit with pain, it goes

away in a few days and never comes back in the same spot. does that

sound weird. what did kenda do for diet and modifications? i just need

some help to help get rid or the symptoms and feeling like this. i am

going to try that drug guaifenesin to see if that helps. what else

will help me? does anyone think this could be from my implants still

and my body trying to heal from this? had anyone else dealt with this

before and how long before symptoms go away?

liz

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care profession al before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)