Re: Cheryl....

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Hi Cheryl.Thanks for the encouragement. Glad to hear you're running strong!! I want to join you. I'm considering St. 's or lemon balm, but before I complicate it, I may just increase blue vervain a bit as it seems to specific to many of my issues. Feeling joint pain, but I believe and hope it is herxing...Want to get off or down to 1/2 an ativan. I want to be able to go out--function without ativan. I feel better and am optimistic. I just need to steer clear of angry doc.Cheryl, what do you take boneset for and how is it helping?Peace,TomTo: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 10:37:31 PMSubject: Re: Thane and gang

Hi, Tom,

I agree with your teasel, St. s Wort! I have both as well. I haven't started the St. s Wort yet, but am doing the Boneset., Teasel and GSE. My husband had a work related accident and was in hospital for 5 days, home in a hospital bed (still), company coming for thanksgiving, kids leaving for Thanksgiving, trips to airport etc and I am still going strong! Can't believe it!!!! I have had a few "days", but over all, am up, happy, and running my legs off! This would have been impossible just 6 short months ago.

Cheers!

Cheryl

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Thane, everybody...I would urge you to try the teasel, slowly, gently. Perhaps, tincture of st. johns wort or lemon balm(I need to as well) for nerve regeneration. I'm also doing a couple drops blue vervain.

I've had to stop Cumanda(6months on) as it was really knocking me down and causing additional temperature, fever like helplessness. Yuk. Doc got real mad, jumped down my throat and on everything I said. Very unfair and innaproppriate, comparing me to other "more severe" patients. Truly amazing. Doc changed his tune when I, once again, stated that I thought the Cumanda was being rejected by my body. It was acting steroidal-like. Incredible libido and erections btw with it. Not worth the sick(not herxing) I was getting. Doc took me off samento(8 months).

We're trying to keep it simple protocol. I too would like to avoid rx abx. Teasel is powerful and blue vervain is healing. Bl. vervain, I'm newly told by Matt Wood may be specifoc tp Erlichia and possibly biofilm.

It would be nice if you had some observation from a lyme type doc, even for alt. approach.Good luck, let me know if I can help...Tom

From: Thane Fredrickson <thane17yahoo (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:54:19 AMSubject: Re: Some more thoughts - Jane

Hi Jane,

Glad to hear your liver is back in the game.

Your analyses about my babesia treatments might be correct. I think i'd be in a much better place if i'd just kept up with the babs treatments, like 30 minutes a week like you suggested. I did do almost an hour a day for about two weeks after stopping herxing before quiting, but I guess I was just overly optomistic to think that was sufficient.

The only thing that makes me second guess the power of the coil machine, or more specifically the 570hz frx against my strain of babesia, is I stopped herxing after about a month of treatments. If the coil had killed the bulk of my babs in that short of time then I would have expected similar results with artemisia. Thats partly why I went so aggressively with the artemesia... i expected to "conquer" babesia as quickly with the artemesia as I did with the coil. Unfortunately I kept herxing with the Art suggesting there was a lot more babs in me than I knew about.

There's also the possibility that I just went too aggressively with the Art and jammed up my detox pathways preventing me from being successful. I guess the real experiment would be for me to treat babs with my coil machine right now, after several months of art treatments, and see if I herx.

Anyway, i'm taking a break from everything for a while...i promise this time. I just need to let this sinus infection/cold pass first. It came out of nowhere. When it rains it pours.

Thane

From: "its_just_talk@ yahoo.com" <its_just_talk@ yahoo.com>

To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:28:20 AMSubject: Some more thoughts - Thane

Hi Thane,

I had some more thoughts about what's going on with your battle with Babesia (for what it's worth, as my ideas may not be relevant, but here it goes, anyway).

What if Stolar's metaphor of the fly swatter scenerio is what's happening in your case? Could it be that you were not herxing at 570 after a while, because you reduced the bug load, but just did not completely eliminate it, so the Babs multiplied after you stopped rifing? Could it be that if you had continued to rife for say, half an hour for Babs once a week, without herxing, that would have kept the disease at bay? Is it possible that you just stopped rifing too soon, and that you needed to continue to rife for Babs regularly, whether you herx or not? Just a thought.

An update - my liver has recovered from the alcohol (thank goodness!). Yes, my exhaustion was definitely due to liver overload. I would suggest to anyone with this disease, who is currently treating, that the liver has way too much to deal with just detoxing, and adding any alcohol (even one drink) to that load is not in your best interest.

- Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi, Tom:

 

Lady B (the Teasel lady) told me about Boneset and St. 's Wart as well.  They are both tinctures from her; one heals nerve fibers and the other helps the nerve impulses - or something close to that!  Memory is one of my long term issues to deal with.  Anyway, due to the seizure activity that I have dealt with, it sounded like a good idea to help my nerves and nerve impulses.  When I had  electrical dermal testing done (again, something like that!) she couldn't even get my central nervous system to register!  I haven't been taking it that long.....can't really say I can tell a difference.  I am feeling REALLY good right now - I am definitely on land and not out at sea.  Is it the Boneset or is it the bugs have finally decided to hibernate for the winter and give me a break?!  Only Time will tell.

 

My last two big seizures were this past Oct. 20 (made it 2 months prior to that with Teasel and MMS).  October is always my " bad month " so it wasn't a surprise - a disappointment, but not a surprise.  My goal is to stay on everything through next October without any incident.

 

If you don't mind my asking, what is the ativan for, Tom?

 

I have had several people email me at LymeHope.com with their teasel success stories.  It is quite amazing.  I am hearing more success with teasel than anything else right now.  I keep trying to get them to write them down for me so that I can post them.....what do you know, they are out having too much fun! ;-)

 

Hang in there!  It sounds like you are on the right track!

 

Later,

Cheryl

 

 

 

Hi Cheryl.Thanks for the encouragement. Glad to hear you're running strong!! I want to join you. I'm considering St. 's or lemon balm, but before I complicate it, I may just increase  blue vervain a bit as it seems to specific to many of my issues. Feeling joint pain, but I believe and hope it is herxing...

Want to get off or down to 1/2 an ativan. I want to be  able to go out--function without ativan. I feel better and am optimistic. I just need to steer clear of angry doc.Cheryl, what do you take boneset for and how is it helping?

Peace,Tom

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 10:37:31 PMSubject: Re: Thane and gang 

Hi, Tom,

 

I agree with your teasel, St. s Wort!  I have both as well.  I haven't started the St. s Wort yet, but am doing the Boneset., Teasel and GSE.  My husband had a work related accident and was in hospital for 5 days, home in a hospital bed (still), company coming for thanksgiving, kids leaving for Thanksgiving, trips to airport etc and I am still going strong!  Can't believe it!!!!  I have had a few " days " , but over all, am up, happy, and running my legs off!  This would have been impossible just 6 short months ago.

 

Cheers!

 

Cheryl

 

 

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hi Thane, everybody...I would urge you to try the teasel, slowly, gently. Perhaps, tincture of st. johns wort or lemon balm(I need to as well) for nerve regeneration. I'm also doing a couple drops blue vervain.

I've had to stop Cumanda(6months on) as it was really knocking me down and causing additional temperature, fever like helplessness. Yuk. Doc got real mad, jumped down my throat and on everything I said. Very unfair and innaproppriate, comparing me to other " more severe " patients. Truly amazing. Doc changed his tune when I, once again, stated that I thought the Cumanda was being rejected by my body. It was acting steroidal-like. Incredible libido and erections btw with it. Not worth the sick(not herxing) I was getting. Doc took me off samento(8 months).

We're trying to keep it simple protocol. I too would like to avoid rx abx. Teasel is powerful and blue vervain  is healing. Bl. vervain, I'm newly told by Matt Wood may be specifoc tp Erlichia and possibly biofilm.

It would be nice if you had some observation from a lyme type doc, even for alt. approach.Good luck, let me know if I can help...Tom

From: Thane Fredrickson <thane17yahoo (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:54:19 AMSubject: Re: Some more thoughts - Jane 

Hi Jane, 

 

Glad to hear your liver is back in the game. 

 

Your analyses about my babesia treatments might be correct. I think i'd be in a much better place if i'd just kept up with the babs treatments, like 30 minutes a week like you suggested.  I did do almost an hour a day for about two weeks after stopping herxing before quiting, but I guess I was just overly optomistic to think that was sufficient.

 

 The only thing that makes me second guess the power of the coil machine, or more specifically the 570hz frx against my strain of babesia, is I stopped herxing after about a month of treatments.  If the coil had killed the bulk of my babs in that short of time then I would have expected similar results with artemisia.  Thats partly why I went so aggressively with the artemesia... i expected to " conquer " babesia as quickly with the artemesia as I did with the coil.   Unfortunately I kept herxing with the Art suggesting there was a lot more babs in me than I knew about. 

 

 There's also the possibility that I just went too aggressively with the Art and jammed up my detox pathways preventing me from being successful.  I guess the real experiment would be for me to treat babs with my coil machine right now, after several months of art treatments, and see if I herx. 

 

 

 

Anyway, i'm taking a break from everything for a while...i promise this time.  I just need to let this sinus infection/cold pass first.  It came out of nowhere.  When it rains it pours. 

 

Thane

From: " its_just_talk@ yahoo.com " <its_just_talk@ yahoo.com>

To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:28:20 AMSubject: Some more thoughts - Thane

 

Hi Thane,

 

I had some more thoughts about what's going on with your battle with Babesia (for what it's worth, as my ideas may not be relevant, but here it goes, anyway).

 

What if Stolar's metaphor of the fly swatter scenerio is what's happening in your case? Could it be that you were not herxing at 570 after a while, because you reduced the bug load, but just did not completely eliminate it, so the Babs multiplied after you stopped rifing? Could it be that if you had continued to rife for say, half an hour for Babs once a week, without herxing, that would have kept the disease at bay? Is it possible that you just stopped rifing too soon, and that you needed to continue to rife for Babs regularly, whether you herx or not? Just a thought.

 

An update - my liver has recovered from the alcohol (thank goodness!). Yes, my exhaustion was definitely due to liver overload. I would suggest to anyone with this disease, who is currently treating, that the liver has way too much to deal with just detoxing, and adding any alcohol (even one drink) to that load is not in your best interest.

 

- Jane

 

[Guest guest]

Tom, have you tried GABA?  Or the TCM's BuXin or Free and Easy Wanderer Plus?  Quite a few of us have found mental/anxiety relief using those two TCM's.  I take the TCM's daily, using GABA in the evening or when I know I am going to be stressed.  GABA is really something....calms me right down.  Everything is cool, man.  ;-)

 

Another thought might be hormones/adrenals.  When I don't stay on my hormones or Isocort for adrenals I feel a LOT of anxiety as well.  Being female that is pretty obvious, but can be a factor with men as well; especially the adrenals.

 

This is a great forum.  Glad you are here and hoping you are finding solutions for yourself.

 

Take Care,

Cheryl

 

 

 

Hi Cheryl.

The ativan is an rx anti-anxiety.For panic attacks.  I'm on 1mg, want to reduce to 1/2, then 0. As longterm use is not great idea. But it's so effective for easing anxiety, so I can have a few hours of relative functioning--going out, doing errands et. It's dependent making, but started last year before I knew I had Lyme. I can't handle the 5htp, tryptophan, actually induce  panic in me. So am considering st. john's wort and lemon balm. I've had difficulty with sjw before too. I envy your ability to take the aminos, etc. your taking. That's great. You don't know how jealous I am!

 

I really wish I could conquer this morning-midday fog to anxiety I always get. Yuk.

Really feel teasel and blue vervaing are helping, very, very low doses, but that's the kind of body I have.

 

peace,

Tom

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 3:18:57 PMSubject: Re: Cheryl....

 

Hi, Tom:

 

Lady B (the Teasel lady) told me about Boneset and St. 's Wart as well.  They are both tinctures from her; one heals nerve fibers and the other helps the nerve impulses - or something close to that!  Memory is one of my long term issues to deal with.  Anyway, due to the seizure activity that I have dealt with, it sounded like a good idea to help my nerves and nerve impulses.  When I had  electrical dermal testing done (again, something like that!) she couldn't even get my central nervous system to register!  I haven't been taking it that long.....can't really say I can tell a difference.  I am feeling REALLY good right now - I am definitely on land and not out at sea.  Is it the Boneset or is it the bugs have finally decided to hibernate for the winter and give me a break?!  Only Time will tell.

 

My last two big seizures were this past Oct. 20 (made it 2 months prior to that with Teasel and MMS).  October is always my " bad month " so it wasn't a surprise - a disappointment, but not a surprise.  My goal is to stay on everything through next October without any incident.

 

If you don't mind my asking, what is the ativan for, Tom?

 

I have had several people email me at LymeHope.com with their teasel success stories.  It is quite amazing.  I am hearing more success with teasel than anything else right now.  I keep trying to get them to write them down for me so that I can post them.....what do you know, they are out having too much fun! ;-)

 

Hang in there!  It sounds like you are on the right track!

 

Later,

Cheryl

 

 

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hi Cheryl.Thanks for the encouragement. Glad to hear you're running strong!! I want to join you. I'm considering St. 's or lemon balm, but before I complicate it, I may just increase  blue vervain a bit as it seems to specific to many of my issues. Feeling joint pain, but I believe and hope it is herxing...

Want to get off or down to 1/2 an ativan. I want to be  able to go out--function without ativan. I feel better and am optimistic. I just need to steer clear of angry doc.Cheryl, what do you take boneset for and how is it helping?

Peace,Tom

From: Cheryl Young <qcyounggmail (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 10:37:31 PMSubject: Re: Thane and gang 

Hi, Tom,

 

I agree with your teasel, St. s Wort!  I have both as well.  I haven't started the St. s Wort yet, but am doing the Boneset., Teasel and GSE.  My husband had a work related accident and was in hospital for 5 days, home in a hospital bed (still), company coming for thanksgiving, kids leaving for Thanksgiving, trips to airport etc and I am still going strong!  Can't believe it!!!!  I have had a few " days " , but over all, am up, happy, and running my legs off!  This would have been impossible just 6 short months ago.

 

Cheers!

 

Cheryl

 

 

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hi Thane, everybody...I would urge you to try the teasel, slowly, gently. Perhaps, tincture of st. johns wort or lemon balm(I need to as well) for nerve regeneration. I'm also doing a couple drops blue vervain.

I've had to stop Cumanda(6months on) as it was really knocking me down and causing additional temperature, fever like helplessness. Yuk. Doc got real mad, jumped down my throat and on everything I said. Very unfair and innaproppriate, comparing me to other " more severe " patients. Truly amazing. Doc changed his tune when I, once again, stated that I thought the Cumanda was being rejected by my body. It was acting steroidal-like. Incredible libido and erections btw with it. Not worth the sick(not herxing) I was getting. Doc took me off samento(8 months).

We're trying to keep it simple protocol. I too would like to avoid rx abx. Teasel is powerful and blue vervain  is healing. Bl. vervain, I'm newly told by Matt Wood may be specifoc tp Erlichia and possibly biofilm.

It would be nice if you had some observation from a lyme type doc, even for alt. approach.Good luck, let me know if I can help...Tom

From: Thane Fredrickson <thane17yahoo (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:54:19 AMSubject: Re: Some more thoughts - Jane 

Hi Jane, 

 

Glad to hear your liver is back in the game. 

 

Your analyses about my babesia treatments might be correct. I think i'd be in a much better place if i'd just kept up with the babs treatments, like 30 minutes a week like you suggested.  I did do almost an hour a day for about two weeks after stopping herxing before quiting, but I guess I was just overly optomistic to think that was sufficient.

 

 The only thing that makes me second guess the power of the coil machine, or more specifically the 570hz frx against my strain of babesia, is I stopped herxing after about a month of treatments.  If the coil had killed the bulk of my babs in that short of time then I would have expected similar results with artemisia.  Thats partly why I went so aggressively with the artemesia... i expected to " conquer " babesia as quickly with the artemesia as I did with the coil.   Unfortunately I kept herxing with the Art suggesting there was a lot more babs in me than I knew about. 

 

 There's also the possibility that I just went too aggressively with the Art and jammed up my detox pathways preventing me from being successful.  I guess the real experiment would be for me to treat babs with my coil machine right now, after several months of art treatments, and see if I herx. 

 

 

 

Anyway, i'm taking a break from everything for a while...i promise this time.  I just need to let this sinus infection/cold pass first.  It came out of nowhere.  When it rains it pours. 

 

Thane

From: " its_just_talk@ yahoo.com " <its_just_talk@ yahoo.com>

To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:28:20 AMSubject: Some more thoughts - Thane

 

Hi Thane,

 

I had some more thoughts about what's going on with your battle with Babesia (for what it's worth, as my ideas may not be relevant, but here it goes, anyway).

 

What if Stolar's metaphor of the fly swatter scenerio is what's happening in your case? Could it be that you were not herxing at 570 after a while, because you reduced the bug load, but just did not completely eliminate it, so the Babs multiplied after you stopped rifing? Could it be that if you had continued to rife for say, half an hour for Babs once a week, without herxing, that would have kept the disease at bay? Is it possible that you just stopped rifing too soon, and that you needed to continue to rife for Babs regularly, whether you herx or not? Just a thought.

 

An update - my liver has recovered from the alcohol (thank goodness!). Yes, my exhaustion was definitely due to liver overload. I would suggest to anyone with this disease, who is currently treating, that the liver has way too much to deal with just detoxing, and adding any alcohol (even one drink) to that load is not in your best interest.

 

- Jane

 

[Guest guest]

How much Teasel you on son?

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 2:49:09 PMSubject: Re: Cheryl....

Hi Cheryl.

The ativan is an rx anti-anxiety. For panic attacks. I'm on 1mg, want to reduce to 1/2, then 0. As longterm use is not great idea. But it's so effective for easing anxiety, so I can have a few hours of relative functioning- -going out, doing errands et. It's dependent making, but started last year before I knew I had Lyme. I can't handle the 5htp, tryptophan, actually induce panic in me. So am considering st. john's wort and lemon balm. I've had difficulty with sjw before too. I envy your ability to take the aminos, etc. your taking. That's great. You don't know how jealous I am!

I really wish I could conquer this morning-midday fog to anxiety I always get. Yuk.

Really feel teasel and blue vervaing are helping, very, very low doses, but that's the kind of body I have.

peace,

Tom

From: Cheryl Young <qcyounggmail (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, November 29, 2009 3:18:57 PMSubject: Re: Cheryl....

Hi, Tom:

Lady B (the Teasel lady) told me about Boneset and St. 's Wart as well. They are both tinctures from her; one heals nerve fibers and the other helps the nerve impulses - or something close to that! Memory is one of my long term issues to deal with. Anyway, due to the seizure activity that I have dealt with, it sounded like a good idea to help my nerves and nerve impulses. When I had electrical dermal testing done (again, something like that!) she couldn't even get my central nervous system to register! I haven't been taking it that long.....can' t really say I can tell a difference. I am feeling REALLY good right now - I am definitely on land and not out at sea. Is it the Boneset or is it the bugs have finally decided to hibernate for the winter and give me a break?! Only Time will tell.

My last two big seizures were this past Oct. 20 (made it 2 months prior to that with Teasel and MMS). October is always my "bad month" so it wasn't a surprise - a disappointment, but not a surprise. My goal is to stay on everything through next October without any incident.

If you don't mind my asking, what is the ativan for, Tom?

I have had several people email me at LymeHope.com with their teasel success stories. It is quite amazing. I am hearing more success with teasel than anything else right now. I keep trying to get them to write them down for me so that I can post them.....what do you know, they are out having too much fun! ;-)

Hang in there! It sounds like you are on the right track!

Later,

Cheryl

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Cheryl.Thanks for the encouragement. Glad to hear you're running strong!! I want to join you. I'm considering St. 's or lemon balm, but before I complicate it, I may just increase blue vervain a bit as it seems to specific to many of my issues. Feeling joint pain, but I believe and hope it is herxing...Want to get off or down to 1/2 an ativan. I want to be able to go out--function without ativan. I feel better and am optimistic. I just need to steer clear of angry doc.Cheryl, what do you take boneset for and how is it helping?Peace,Tom

From: Cheryl Young <qcyounggmail (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 10:37:31 PMSubject: Re: Thane and gang

Hi, Tom,

I agree with your teasel, St. s Wort! I have both as well. I haven't started the St. s Wort yet, but am doing the Boneset., Teasel and GSE. My husband had a work related accident and was in hospital for 5 days, home in a hospital bed (still), company coming for thanksgiving, kids leaving for Thanksgiving, trips to airport etc and I am still going strong! Can't believe it!!!! I have had a few "days", but over all, am up, happy, and running my legs off! This would have been impossible just 6 short months ago.

Cheers!

Cheryl

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Thane, everybody...I would urge you to try the teasel, slowly, gently. Perhaps, tincture of st. johns wort or lemon balm(I need to as well) for nerve regeneration. I'm also doing a couple drops blue vervain.I've had to stop Cumanda(6months on) as it was really knocking me down and causing additional temperature, fever like helplessness. Yuk. Doc got real mad, jumped down my throat and on everything I said. Very unfair and innaproppriate, comparing me to other "more severe" patients. Truly amazing. Doc changed his tune when I, once again, stated that I thought the Cumanda was being rejected by my body. It was acting steroidal-like. Incredible libido and erections btw with it. Not worth the sick(not herxing) I was getting. Doc took me off samento(8 months).We're trying to keep it simple protocol. I too would like to avoid rx abx. Teasel is powerful and blue vervain is healing. Bl. vervain, I'm newly told by Matt Wood may

be specifoc tp Erlichia and possibly biofilm.It would be nice if you had some observation from a lyme type doc, even for alt. approach.Good luck, let me know if I can help...Tom

From: Thane Fredrickson <thane17yahoo (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:54:19 AMSubject: Re: Some more thoughts - Jane

Hi Jane,

Glad to hear your liver is back in the game.

Your analyses about my babesia treatments might be correct. I think i'd be in a much better place if i'd just kept up with the babs treatments, like 30 minutes a week like you suggested. I did do almost an hour a day for about two weeks after stopping herxing before quiting, but I guess I was just overly optomistic to think that was sufficient.

The only thing that makes me second guess the power of the coil machine, or more specifically the 570hz frx against my strain of babesia, is I stopped herxing after about a month of treatments. If the coil had killed the bulk of my babs in that short of time then I would have expected similar results with artemisia. Thats partly why I went so aggressively with the artemesia... i expected to "conquer" babesia as quickly with the artemesia as I did with the coil. Unfortunately I kept herxing with the Art suggesting there was a lot more babs in me than I knew about.

There's also the possibility that I just went too aggressively with the Art and jammed up my detox pathways preventing me from being successful. I guess the real experiment would be for me to treat babs with my coil machine right now, after several months of art treatments, and see if I herx.

Anyway, i'm taking a break from everything for a while...i promise this time. I just need to let this sinus infection/cold pass first. It came out of nowhere. When it rains it pours.

Thane

From: "its_just_talk@ yahoo.com" <its_just_talk@ yahoo.com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:28:20 AMSubject: Some more thoughts - Thane

Hi Thane,

I had some more thoughts about what's going on with your battle with Babesia (for what it's worth, as my ideas may not be relevant, but here it goes, anyway).

What if Stolar's metaphor of the fly swatter scenerio is what's happening in your case? Could it be that you were not herxing at 570 after a while, because you reduced the bug load, but just did not completely eliminate it, so the Babs multiplied after you stopped rifing? Could it be that if you had continued to rife for say, half an hour for Babs once a week, without herxing, that would have kept the disease at bay? Is it possible that you just stopped rifing too soon, and that you needed to continue to rife for Babs regularly, whether you herx or not? Just a thought.

An update - my liver has recovered from the alcohol (thank goodness!). Yes, my exhaustion was definitely due to liver overload. I would suggest to anyone with this disease, who is currently treating, that the liver has way too much to deal with just detoxing, and adding any alcohol (even one drink) to that load is not in your best interest.

- Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom,FWIW, Traditional Chinese medicine helped my morning-midday fog anxiety: An Shen Bu Xin Wan and Free and Easy Wanderer.Respected brands are: Plum Flower and Min Shan. Two sellers with good reviews are: chineseherbsdirect.com and morningstarhealth.comBe well,Léna Hi Cheryl. The ativan is an rx anti-anxiety.For panic attacks. I'm on 1mg, want to reduce to 1/2, then 0. As longterm use is not great idea. But it's so effective for easing anxiety, so I can have a few hours of relative functioning--going out, doing errands et. It's dependent making, but started last year before I knew I had Lyme. I can't handle the 5htp, tryptophan, actually induce panic in me. So am considering st. john's wort and lemon balm. I've had difficulty with sjw before too. I envy your ability to take the aminos, etc. your taking. That's great. You don't know how jealous I am! I really wish I could conquer this morning-midday fog to anxiety I always get. Yuk. Really feel teasel and blue vervaing are helping, very, very low doses, but that's the kind of body I have. peace, Tom From: Cheryl Young <qcyounggmail>To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 3:18:57 PMSubject: Re: Cheryl.... Hi, Tom: Lady B (the Teasel lady) told me about Boneset and St. 's Wart as well. They are both tinctures from her; one heals nerve fibers and the other helps the nerve impulses - or something close to that! Memory is one of my long term issues to deal with. Anyway, due to the seizure activity that I have dealt with, it sounded like a good idea to help my nerves and nerve impulses. When I had electrical dermal testing done (again, something like that!) she couldn't even get my central nervous system to register! I haven't been taking it that long.....can't really say I can tell a difference. I am feeling REALLY good right now - I am definitely on land and not out at sea. Is it the Boneset or is it the bugs have finally decided to hibernate for the winter and give me a break?! Only Time will tell. My last two big seizures were this past Oct. 20 (made it 2 months prior to that with Teasel and MMS). October is always my "bad month" so it wasn't a surprise - a disappointment, but not a surprise. My goal is to stay on everything through next October without any incident. If you don't mind my asking, what is the ativan for, Tom? I have had several people email me at LymeHope.com with their teasel success stories. It is quite amazing. I am hearing more success with teasel than anything else right now. I keep trying to get them to write them down for me so that I can post them.....what do you know, they are out having too much fun! ;-) Hang in there! It sounds like you are on the right track! Later, Cheryl On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Cheryl.Thanks for the encouragement. Glad to hear you're running strong!! I want to join you. I'm considering St. 's or lemon balm, but before I complicate it, I may just increase blue vervain a bit as it seems to specific to many of my issues. Feeling joint pain, but I believe and hope it is herxing...Want to get off or down to 1/2 an ativan. I want to be able to go out--function without ativan. I feel better and am optimistic. I just need to steer clear of angry doc.Cheryl, what do you take boneset for and how is it helping?Peace,Tom From: Cheryl Young <qcyounggmail (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 10:37:31 PMSubject: Re: Thane and gang Hi, Tom, I agree with your teasel, St. s Wort! I have both as well. I haven't started the St. s Wort yet, but am doing the Boneset., Teasel and GSE. My husband had a work related accident and was in hospital for 5 days, home in a hospital bed (still), company coming for thanksgiving, kids leaving for Thanksgiving, trips to airport etc and I am still going strong! Can't believe it!!!! I have had a few "days", but over all, am up, happy, and running my legs off! This would have been impossible just 6 short months ago. Cheers! Cheryl On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Thane, everybody...I would urge you to try the teasel, slowly, gently. Perhaps, tincture of st. johns wort or lemon balm(I need to as well) for nerve regeneration. I'm also doing a couple drops blue vervain.I've had to stop Cumanda(6months on) as it was really knocking me down and causing additional temperature, fever like helplessness. Yuk. Doc got real mad, jumped down my throat and on everything I said. Very unfair and innaproppriate, comparing me to other "more severe" patients. Truly amazing. Doc changed his tune when I, once again, stated that I thought the Cumanda was being rejected by my body. It was acting steroidal-like. Incredible libido and erections btw with it. Not worth the sick(not herxing) I was getting. Doc took me off samento(8 months).We're trying to keep it simple protocol. I too would like to avoid rx abx. Teasel is powerful and blue vervain is healing. Bl. vervain, I'm newly told by Matt Wood may be specifoc tp Erlichia and possibly biofilm.It would be nice if you had some observation from a lyme type doc, even for alt. approach.Good luck, let me know if I can help...Tom From: Thane Fredrickson <thane17yahoo (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:54:19 AMSubject: Re: Some more thoughts - Jane Hi Jane, Glad to hear your liver is back in the game. Your analyses about my babesia treatments might be correct. I think i'd be in a much better place if i'd just kept up with the babs treatments, like 30 minutes a week like you suggested. I did do almost an hour a day for about two weeks after stopping herxing before quiting, but I guess I was just overly optomistic to think that was sufficient. The only thing that makes me second guess the power of the coil machine, or more specifically the 570hz frx against my strain of babesia, is I stopped herxing after about a month of treatments. If the coil had killed the bulk of my babs in that short of time then I would have expected similar results with artemisia. Thats partly why I went so aggressively with the artemesia... i expected to "conquer" babesia as quickly with the artemesia as I did with the coil. Unfortunately I kept herxing with the Art suggesting there was a lot more babs in me than I knew about. There's also the possibility that I just went too aggressively with the Art and jammed up my detox pathways preventing me from being successful. I guess the real experiment would be for me to treat babs with my coil machine right now, after several months of art treatments, and see if I herx. Anyway, i'm taking a break from everything for a while...i promise this time. I just need to let this sinus infection/cold pass first. It came out of nowhere. When it rains it pours. Thane From: "its_just_talk@ yahoo.com" <its_just_talk@ yahoo.com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:28:20 AMSubject: Some more thoughts - Thane Hi Thane, I had some more thoughts about what's going on with your battle with Babesia (for what it's worth, as my ideas may not be relevant, but here it goes, anyway). What if Stolar's metaphor of the fly swatter scenerio is what's happening in your case? Could it be that you were not herxing at 570 after a while, because you reduced the bug load, but just did not completely eliminate it, so the Babs multiplied after you stopped rifing? Could it be that if you had continued to rife for say, half an hour for Babs once a week, without herxing, that would have kept the disease at bay? Is it possible that you just stopped rifing too soon, and that you needed to continue to rife for Babs regularly, whether you herx or not? Just a thought. An update - my liver has recovered from the alcohol (thank goodness!). Yes, my exhaustion was definitely due to liver overload. I would suggest to anyone with this disease, who is currently treating, that the liver has way too much to deal with just detoxing, and adding any alcohol (even one drink) to that load is not in your best interest. - Jane

[Guest guest]

I love my GABA and DLPA! I highly

recommend it! Also the Bu Xin and Free and Easy too! Great stuff!

Don’t take the GABA unless you want to take a nap though! Well, for

me that’s what happens! Within about 45 minutes I can not keep my

eyes open! Knocks me out!

If the natural stuff doesn’t help,

definitely look into hormones. I was having panic attacks daily, and just

generalized all day long anxiety until I started treating my adrenal glands. I

tried Isocort first, but it is a very low dose so it only helped a little for

me. It just wasn’t enough to fully help my adrenals. Once I

got on Cortef (bioidential cortisol) and got to my optimal dose I have not had

that all day long every day panic. I have had a few axiety moments, but

they are more normal and associated with some identifiable stressor. Much

easier to deal with now!

Yea, men can usually get around adrenal

problems because they are men! But, my husband is one example of a man

that needs adrenal help! He takes cortef, but he prefers HGH. I

just ordered some homeopathic HGH to see if it will help him. And when

men do need adrenal help, they usually need a higher dose of the cortef than

women. (Generally speaking of course.)

Lyme messes up hormones, there is no doubt

about that! Going the natural route to fix them is certainly one way to

do it, but if you’ve been sick for very long, it can take a really long

time to reboot everything and make it work right. However, taking the

hormones themselves is a fast, easy and safe way to get to feeling better much

more quickly! It’s not overnight, but it’s much faster than

waiting on your body to start making the correct hormones from the supplements

we take. I know that I generally don’t like taking medications, but

in the case of the hormones I take, they are the bioidential versions of what

your body is supposed to be making. Your body knows how to process them.

Blessings,

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Cheryl Young

Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009

1:11 PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re:

Cheryl....

Tom, have

you tried GABA? Or the TCM's BuXin or Free and Easy Wanderer Plus?

Quite a few of us have found mental/anxiety relief using those two TCM's.

I take the TCM's daily, using GABA in the evening or when I know I am going to

be stressed. GABA is really something....calms me right down.

Everything is cool, man. ;-)

Another

thought might be hormones/adrenals. When I don't stay on my hormones or

Isocort for adrenals I feel a LOT of anxiety as well. Being female that

is pretty obvious, but can be a factor with men as well; especially the

adrenals.

This is a

great forum. Glad you are here and hoping you are finding solutions for

yourself.

Take Care,

Cheryl

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000> wrote:

Hi Cheryl.

The ativan is an rx anti-anxiety.For panic

attacks. I'm on 1mg, want to reduce to 1/2, then 0. As longterm use is

not great idea. But it's so effective for easing anxiety, so I can have a few

hours of relative functioning--going out, doing errands et. It's dependent

making, but started last year before I knew I had Lyme. I can't handle the

5htp, tryptophan, actually induce panic in me. So am considering st. john's wort and lemon

balm. I've had difficulty with sjw before too. I envy your ability to take the

aminos, etc. your taking. That's great. You don't know how jealous I am!

I really wish I could conquer this morning-midday fog

to anxiety I always get. Yuk.

Really feel teasel and blue vervaing are helping,

very, very low doses, but that's the kind of body I have.

peace,

Tom

From: Cheryl

Young <qcyounggmail>

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Sent: Sun,

November 29, 2009 3:18:57 PM

Subject: Re:

Cheryl....

Hi, Tom:

Lady B (the Teasel lady) told me about Boneset and St. 's Wart as

well. They are both tinctures from her; one heals nerve fibers and the

other helps the nerve impulses - or something close to that! Memory is

one of my long term issues to deal with. Anyway, due to the seizure

activity that I have dealt with, it sounded like a good idea to help my nerves

and nerve impulses. When I had electrical dermal testing done

(again, something like that!) she couldn't even get my central nervous system

to register! I haven't been taking it that long.....can't really say I

can tell a difference. I am feeling REALLY good right now - I am

definitely on land and not out at sea. Is it the Boneset or is it the

bugs have finally decided to hibernate for the winter and give me a

break?! Only Time will tell.

My last two big seizures were this past Oct. 20 (made it 2

months prior to that with Teasel and MMS). October is always my " bad

month " so it wasn't a surprise - a disappointment, but not a

surprise. My goal is to stay on everything through next October without

any incident.

If you don't mind my asking, what is the ativan for, Tom?

I have had several people email me at LymeHope.com with their

teasel success stories. It is quite amazing. I am hearing more success

with teasel than anything else right now. I keep trying to get them to

write them down for me so that I can post them.....what do you know, they are

out having too much fun! ;-)

Hang in there! It sounds like you are on the right track!

Later,

Cheryl

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com>

wrote:

Hi Cheryl.

Thanks for the encouragement. Glad to hear you're running strong!! I want to

join you. I'm considering St. 's

or lemon balm, but before I complicate it, I may just increase blue

vervain a bit as it seems to specific to many of my issues. Feeling joint pain,

but I believe and hope it is herxing...

Want to get off or down to 1/2 an ativan. I want to be able to go

out--function without ativan. I feel better and am optimistic. I just need to

steer clear of angry doc.

Cheryl, what do you take boneset for and how is it helping?

Peace,

Tom

From: Cheryl

Young <qcyounggmail (DOT) com>

To: Lyme_and_Rife@

yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009

10:37:31 PM

Subject: Re: Thane

and gang

Hi, Tom,

I agree with your teasel, St.

s Wort! I have both as well. I haven't

started the St. s

Wort yet, but am doing the Boneset., Teasel and GSE. My husband had a

work related accident and was in hospital for 5 days, home in a hospital bed

(still), company coming for thanksgiving, kids leaving for Thanksgiving, trips

to airport etc and I am still going strong! Can't believe it!!!! I

have had a few " days " , but over all, am up, happy, and running my

legs off! This would have been impossible just 6 short months ago.

Cheers!

Cheryl

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com>

wrote:

Hi Thane, everybody...

I would urge you to try the teasel, slowly, gently. Perhaps, tincture of st. johns wort or lemon

balm(I need to as well) for nerve regeneration. I'm also doing a couple drops

blue vervain.

I've had to stop Cumanda(6months on) as it was really knocking me down and

causing additional temperature, fever like helplessness. Yuk. Doc got real mad,

jumped down my throat and on everything I said. Very unfair and innaproppriate,

comparing me to other " more severe " patients. Truly amazing. Doc

changed his tune when I, once again, stated that I thought the Cumanda was

being rejected by my body. It was acting steroidal-like. Incredible libido and

erections btw with it. Not worth the sick(not herxing) I was getting. Doc took

me off samento(8 months).

We're trying to keep it simple protocol. I too would like to avoid rx abx.

Teasel is powerful and blue vervain is healing. Bl. vervain, I'm newly

told by Matt Wood may be specifoc tp Erlichia and possibly biofilm.

It would be nice if you had some observation from a lyme type doc, even for

alt. approach.

Good luck, let me know if I can help...

Tom

From: Thane

Fredrickson <thane17yahoo (DOT)

com>

To: Lyme_and_Rife@

yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009

7:54:19 AM

Subject: Re: Some

more thoughts - Jane

Hi Jane,

Glad to hear your liver is back in the game.

Your analyses about my babesia treatments might be

correct. I think i'd be in a much better place if i'd just kept up

with the babs treatments, like 30 minutes a week like you suggested.

I did do almost an hour a day for about two weeks after stopping herxing before

quiting, but I guess I was just overly optomistic to think that was

sufficient.

The only thing that makes me second guess the

power of the coil machine, or more specifically the 570hz frx against my

strain of babesia, is I stopped herxing after about a month of

treatments. If the coil had killed the bulk of my babs in that short of

time then I would have expected similar results with artemisia. Thats

partly why I went so aggressively with the artemesia... i expected to

" conquer " babesia as quickly with the artemesia as I did with the

coil. Unfortunately I kept herxing with the Art suggesting there

was a lot more babs in me than I knew about.

There's also the possibility that I just went

too aggressively with the Art and jammed up my detox pathways preventing me

from being successful. I guess the real experiment would be for me to

treat babs with my coil machine right now, after several months of art

treatments, and see if I herx.

Anyway, i'm taking a break from everything for a

while...i promise this time. I just need to let this sinus infection/cold

pass first. It came out of nowhere. When it rains it pours.

Thane

From:

" its_just_talk@ yahoo.com "

<its_just_talk@ yahoo.com>

To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups.

com

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009

7:28:20 AM

Subject: Some more

thoughts - Thane

Hi Thane,

I had some more thoughts about what's going on with

your battle with Babesia (for what it's worth, as my ideas may not be

relevant, but here it goes, anyway).

What if Stolar's metaphor of the fly swatter

scenerio is what's happening in your case? Could it be that you were not

herxing at 570 after a while, because you reduced the bug load, but just did

not completely eliminate it, so the Babs multiplied after you stopped rifing?

Could it be that if you had continued to rife for say, half an hour for Babs

once a week, without herxing, that would have kept the disease at bay? Is it

possible that you just stopped rifing too soon, and that you needed to

continue to rife for Babs regularly, whether you herx or not? Just a thought.

An update - my liver has recovered from the alcohol

(thank goodness!). Yes, my exhaustion was definitely due to liver overload. I

would suggest to anyone with this disease, who is currently treating, that

the liver has way too much to deal with just detoxing, and adding any alcohol

(even one drink) to that load is not in your best interest.

- Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi, Thane:

 

Here is how you start:

 

day1      morning, 1 drop

day 2     morning, 1 drop

              noon,      1 drop

day3      morning 1 drop

              noon,     1 drop

              evening, 1 drop

day 4     morning, 2 drops

             noon    1 drop

              evening 1 drop

day 5     morning 2 drops

             noon 2 drops

             evening 1 drop

 

 

I think you get it now....keep adding 1 drop till you are up to 3 drops 3 x/day.  That's it!

 

Be sure and let me know how you do if you decide to give it a try.  www.vitacost.com is the cheapest place to buy NutriBiotic GSE (the recommended brand) 125 mgs. taken 1/ 3x day.  I take two 3x/day.  Don't ask me why, but I just felt like I needed more then the recommended.

 

Take care,

Cheryl

 

 

 

How much Teasel you on son?

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 2:49:09 PM

Subject: Re: Cheryl....

 

Hi Cheryl.

The ativan is an rx anti-anxiety. For panic attacks.  I'm on 1mg, want to reduce to 1/2, then 0. As longterm use is not great idea. But it's so effective for easing anxiety, so I can have a few hours of relative functioning- -going out, doing errands et. It's dependent making, but started last year before I knew I had Lyme. I can't handle the 5htp, tryptophan, actually induce  panic in me. So am considering st. john's wort and lemon balm. I've had difficulty with sjw before too. I envy your ability to take the aminos, etc. your taking. That's great. You don't know how jealous I am!

 

I really wish I could conquer this morning-midday fog to anxiety I always get. Yuk.

Really feel teasel and blue vervaing are helping, very, very low doses, but that's the kind of body I have.

 

peace,

Tom

From: Cheryl Young <qcyounggmail (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, November 29, 2009 3:18:57 PM

Subject: Re: Cheryl.... 

Hi, Tom:

 

Lady B (the Teasel lady) told me about Boneset and St. 's Wart as well.  They are both tinctures from her; one heals nerve fibers and the other helps the nerve impulses - or something close to that!  Memory is one of my long term issues to deal with.  Anyway, due to the seizure activity that I have dealt with, it sounded like a good idea to help my nerves and nerve impulses.  When I had  electrical dermal testing done (again, something like that!) she couldn't even get my central nervous system to register!  I haven't been taking it that long.....can' t really say I can tell a difference.  I am feeling REALLY good right now - I am definitely on land and not out at sea.  Is it the Boneset or is it the bugs have finally decided to hibernate for the winter and give me a break?!  Only Time will tell.

 

My last two big seizures were this past Oct. 20 (made it 2 months prior to that with Teasel and MMS).  October is always my " bad month " so it wasn't a surprise - a disappointment, but not a surprise.  My goal is to stay on everything through next October without any incident.

 

If you don't mind my asking, what is the ativan for, Tom?

 

I have had several people email me at LymeHope.com with their teasel success stories.  It is quite amazing.  I am hearing more success with teasel than anything else right now.  I keep trying to get them to write them down for me so that I can post them.....what do you know, they are out having too much fun! ;-)

 

Hang in there!  It sounds like you are on the right track!

 

Later,

Cheryl

 

 

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hi Cheryl.Thanks for the encouragement. Glad to hear you're running strong!! I want to join you. I'm considering St. 's or lemon balm, but before I complicate it, I may just increase  blue vervain a bit as it seems to specific to many of my issues. Feeling joint pain, but I believe and hope it is herxing...

Want to get off or down to 1/2 an ativan. I want to be  able to go out--function without ativan. I feel better and am optimistic. I just need to steer clear of angry doc.Cheryl, what do you take boneset for and how is it helping?

Peace,Tom

From: Cheryl Young <qcyounggmail (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 10:37:31 PMSubject: Re: Thane and gang 

Hi, Tom,

 

I agree with your teasel, St. s Wort!  I have both as well.  I haven't started the St. s Wort yet, but am doing the Boneset., Teasel and GSE.  My husband had a work related accident and was in hospital for 5 days, home in a hospital bed (still), company coming for thanksgiving, kids leaving for Thanksgiving, trips to airport etc and I am still going strong!  Can't believe it!!!!  I have had a few " days " , but over all, am up, happy, and running my legs off!  This would have been impossible just 6 short months ago.

 

Cheers!

 

Cheryl

 

 

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, lymecure123 <tmmedia2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hi Thane, everybody...I would urge you to try the teasel, slowly, gently. Perhaps, tincture of st. johns wort or lemon balm(I need to as well) for nerve regeneration. I'm also doing a couple drops blue vervain.

I've had to stop Cumanda(6months on) as it was really knocking me down and causing additional temperature, fever like helplessness. Yuk. Doc got real mad, jumped down my throat and on everything I said. Very unfair and innaproppriate, comparing me to other " more severe " patients. Truly amazing. Doc changed his tune when I, once again, stated that I thought the Cumanda was being rejected by my body. It was acting steroidal-like. Incredible libido and erections btw with it. Not worth the sick(not herxing) I was getting. Doc took me off samento(8 months).

We're trying to keep it simple protocol. I too would like to avoid rx abx. Teasel is powerful and blue vervain  is healing. Bl. vervain, I'm newly told by Matt Wood may be specifoc tp Erlichia and possibly biofilm.

It would be nice if you had some observation from a lyme type doc, even for alt. approach.Good luck, let me know if I can help...Tom

From: Thane Fredrickson <thane17yahoo (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:54:19 AMSubject: Re: Some more thoughts - Jane 

Hi Jane, 

 

Glad to hear your liver is back in the game. 

 

Your analyses about my babesia treatments might be correct. I think i'd be in a much better place if i'd just kept up with the babs treatments, like 30 minutes a week like you suggested.  I did do almost an hour a day for about two weeks after stopping herxing before quiting, but I guess I was just overly optomistic to think that was sufficient.

 

 The only thing that makes me second guess the power of the coil machine, or more specifically the 570hz frx against my strain of babesia, is I stopped herxing after about a month of treatments.  If the coil had killed the bulk of my babs in that short of time then I would have expected similar results with artemisia.  Thats partly why I went so aggressively with the artemesia... i expected to " conquer " babesia as quickly with the artemesia as I did with the coil.   Unfortunately I kept herxing with the Art suggesting there was a lot more babs in me than I knew about. 

 

 There's also the possibility that I just went too aggressively with the Art and jammed up my detox pathways preventing me from being successful.  I guess the real experiment would be for me to treat babs with my coil machine right now, after several months of art treatments, and see if I herx. 

 

 

 

Anyway, i'm taking a break from everything for a while...i promise this time.  I just need to let this sinus infection/cold pass first.  It came out of nowhere.  When it rains it pours. 

 

Thane

From: " its_just_talk@ yahoo.com " <its_just_talk@ yahoo.com>

To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:28:20 AMSubject: Some more thoughts - Thane

 

Hi Thane,

 

I had some more thoughts about what's going on with your battle with Babesia (for what it's worth, as my ideas may not be relevant, but here it goes, anyway).

 

What if Stolar's metaphor of the fly swatter scenerio is what's happening in your case? Could it be that you were not herxing at 570 after a while, because you reduced the bug load, but just did not completely eliminate it, so the Babs multiplied after you stopped rifing? Could it be that if you had continued to rife for say, half an hour for Babs once a week, without herxing, that would have kept the disease at bay? Is it possible that you just stopped rifing too soon, and that you needed to continue to rife for Babs regularly, whether you herx or not? Just a thought.

 

An update - my liver has recovered from the alcohol (thank goodness!). Yes, my exhaustion was definitely due to liver overload. I would suggest to anyone with this disease, who is currently treating, that the liver has way too much to deal with just detoxing, and adding any alcohol (even one drink) to that load is not in your best interest.

 

- Jane