Re: Botulinum Toxin: I couldn't resist checking it out

[Guest guest]

Ken, I have read everything ever written by Edgar Cayce. And get monthly

mailings from A.R.E. I too " delve " into anything alternative, although

I rely on traditional medicine because simply it gives me relief. But I

have very forward(or backward, I guess as the case may be) thinking

docs, who will also research alternative methods for me. My pain mgt doc

and I trade herbal secrets..LOL! I did some homeopathic reading, and it

intrigues me, but where would you get half of the substances they call

for? Certainly not up here in the boonies!!

By the way, do you do self-hypnosis? I have found that to be a wonderful

release from pain for a short time anyway.

You are a very interesting person, Ken.

Lyn =^..^=

" We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars. "

Wilde

http://home.talkcity.com/spiritcir/lynmari/index.html

[Guest guest]

Dear Ken,

I can remember my Grandfather giving us kids drops of turpentine on a

spoon of sugar if we complained of a stomach ache. I recall actually

LIKING the taste of it, or was it the buzz it produced??

Di

Turbin wrote:

> Couldn't resist looking up Botulinium Toxin in a Homeopathic Medical

> Reference.Sure enough, it is cited in a basic Homeopatihic medical

> reference that was published in 1927. The citation showed it's usage

> for 5 or 6 medical conditions, including 2 that could easily related

> to chronic pain. I became truly interested in alternative medicine

> when I read " there Is A River' " a book about Edgar Cayce that I

> recommend to everyone. It was in paperback & should still be available

> or in most libraries. A considerable number of years ago, I visited

> the Foundation for Religion & eEnlightment in Virginia Beach, where

> records of all his patient treatments and a lot of other incredible

> things are kept & still made use of, and tried to trace treatments for

> anything related to my condition. There was just one pertinent record.

> A woman with ankylosing spondylytis, who was treated with chiropractic

> (which helped me a lot), other modalities that we would now call

> physical therapy, and a medicine consisting of a lot of things I knew

> nothing about, and of all things turpentine! At that time I knew

> nothing about homeopathy, where toxic substances are taken seriously,

> and dismissed this. Recently, while searching chemical & drug

> literature, I found some effective drugs were, of all things, related

> to the molecular composition of-- you guessed it: turpentine (a paint

> ingredient & thinner). Ken At 02:59 AM 9/15/98 -0500, you

> wrote:>Here is the FDA source...>Lyn =^..^=>> " We are all in the

> gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars. " >

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[Guest guest]

Turpentine? Oh yeeech! Makes ya kinda glad we have modern medicine....

And I thought the vinegar, baking soda mix that my Gramma gave us was

bad...

Lyn =^..^=

" We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars. "

Wilde

http://home.talkcity.com/spiritcir/lynmari/index.html

[Guest guest]

> Re: Botulinum Toxin: I couldn't resist checking

> it out

>

>

> Turpentine? Oh yeeech! Makes ya kinda glad we have modern medicine....

> And I thought the vinegar, baking soda mix that my Gramma gave us was

> bad...

> Lyn =^..^=

>

Must be great for the " pipes " though. I was looking up environmentally safe

drain pipe cleaners a while back as a replacement for Liquid Plumber and such.

Guess what I found which works great .....? Pour a few table spoons of baking

soda down the drain and pour in a 1/2 cup of vinegar. After a few minutes, run

the hot water for a while. Works like crazy !

You're grandma didn't make you drink hot water by any chance did she ? !!

Mike

[Guest guest]

YES...yours too? For the life of me tho' I can't remember why....

I do remember the vinegar and baking soda thing tickling my nose as it

bubbled like a chemistry experiment...But it helped indigestion!

Lyn =^..^=

" We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars. "

Wilde

http://home.talkcity.com/spiritcir/lynmari/index.html

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

>and I trade herbal secrets..LOL! I did some homeopathic reading, and it

>intrigues me, but where would you get half of the substances they call

>for? Certainly not up here in the boonies!!

I use several homeopathic remedies and swear by them, and the whole concept.

You can mail order them if you can't find them up there in the boonies!

>By the way, do you do self-hypnosis? I have found that to be a wonderful

>release from pain for a short time anyway.

Works for me! Like a mini-vacation. I also meditate daily....very

non-structured but without it I'd be in a very different place.

CULater,

Ruthie

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lyn,

Haven't been able to get to list mail for 2 days. A web client needs

hand holding.

Homeopathic medicine has survived. There are several labs that still

produce homeopathic remedies, and one I know about will even make things to

order. Surprisingly, they are inexpensive too. They also offer training in

homeopathy.

Newton Laboratories, 612 Upland Trail., Conyers, GA 30207; Tel 800 448-7256.

Luc Chaltin, an homeopath & nutritionist, has written a modern introduction,

and has the Boerke Materia Medica With repertory reprinted and available

inexpensively. The book contains literally thousands of treatments, and

Chaltin's update also has a bunch of the more common current treatments. The

Boerke book is $15. plus $5. shipping. They will send you (free) a

description

in plain English of their standard remedies and some other info. The cost of

each remedy is about $8.. If your doc doesn't have the book, he might be quite

interested in it.

Ken

At 08:19 PM 9/15/98 -0500, you wrote:

>

> Ken, I have read everything ever written by Edgar Cayce. And get monthly

> mailings from A.R.E. I too " delve " into anything alternative, although

> I rely on traditional medicine because simply it gives me relief. But I

> have very forward(or backward, I guess as the case may be) thinking

> docs, who will also research alternative methods for me. My pain mgt doc

> and I trade herbal secrets..LOL! I did some homeopathic reading, and it

> intrigues me, but where would you get half of the substances they call

> for? Certainly not up here in the boonies!!

> By the way, do you do self-hypnosis? I have found that to be a wonderful

> release from pain for a short time anyway.

> You are a very interesting person, Ken.

>

> Lyn =^..^=

>

> " We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars. "

> Wilde

> http://home.talkcity.com/spiritcir/lynmari/index.html

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> Subject: Re: Botulinum Toxin: I couldn't resist checking it

> out

>

> Couldn't resist looking up Botulinium Toxin in a Homeopathic Medical

> Reference.

> Sure enough, it is cited in a basic Homeopatihic medical reference that was

> published in 1927. The citation showed it's usage for 5 or 6 medical

> conditions, including 2 that could easily related to chronic pain.

>

> I became truly interested in alternative medicine when I read " there Is A

> River' " a book about Edgar Cayce that I recommend to everyone. It was in

> paperback & should still be available or in most libraries.

>

> A considerable number of years ago, I visited the Foundation for Religion &

> eEnlightment in Virginia Beach, where records of all his patient treatments

> and a lot of other incredible things are kept & still made use of, and tried

> to trace treatments for anything related to my condition.

>

> There was just one pertinent record. A woman with ankylosing spondylytis,

who

> was treated with chiropractic (which helped me a lot), other modalities that

> we would now call physical therapy, and a medicine consisting of a lot of

> things I knew nothing about, and of all things turpentine!

>

> At that time I knew nothing about homeopathy, where toxic substances are

> taken seriously, and dismissed this.

>

> Recently, while searching chemical & drug literature, I found some effective

> drugs were, of all things, related to the molecular composition of-- you

> guessed it: turpentine (a paint ingredient & thinner).

>

> Ken

>

> At 02:59 AM 9/15/98 -0500, you wrote:

> >Here is the FDA source...

> >Lyn =^..^=

> >

> > " We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars. "

> > Wilde

> >http://home.talkcity.com/spiritcir/lynmari/index.html

> >

> >X-URL-Title: Botulinum Toxin: A Poison That Can Heal

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Hi Di,

Dunno about the buzz; had lots of turpentine around the house as a

kid,

stored in the basement where I played & later had a dark room. Did plenty of

painting with my dad also. So I guess you could say I grew up " under the

influence. "

Ken

At 09:45 AM 9/16/98 -0400, you wrote:

>

> Dear Ken,

> I can remember my Grandfather giving us kids drops of turpentine on a spoon

> of sugar if we complained of a stomach ache. I recall actually LIKING the

> taste of it, or was it the buzz it produced??

> Di

>

> Turbin wrote:

>>

>> Couldn't resist looking up Botulinium Toxin in a Homeopathic Medical

>> Reference.Sure enough, it is cited in a basic Homeopatihic medical

reference

>> that was published in 1927. The citation showed it's usage for 5 or 6

>> medical conditions, including 2 that could easily related to chronic

pain. I

>> became truly interested in alternative medicine when I read " there Is A

>> River' " a book about Edgar Cayce that I recommend to everyone. It was in

>> paperback & should still be available or in most libraries. A considerable

>> number of years ago, I visited the Foundation for Religion &

eEnlightment in

>> Virginia Beach, where records of all his patient treatments and a lot of

>> other incredible things are kept & still made use of, and tried to trace

>> treatments for anything related to my condition. There was just one

>> pertinent record. A woman with ankylosing spondylytis, who was treated with

>> chiropractic (which helped me a lot), other modalities that we would now

>> call physical therapy, and a medicine consisting of a lot of things I knew

>> nothing about, and of all things turpentine! At that time I knew nothing

>> about homeopathy, where toxic substances are taken seriously, and dismissed

>> this. Recently, while searching chemical & drug literature, I found some

>> effective drugs were, of all things, related to the molecular composition

>> of-- you guessed it: turpentine (a paint ingredient & thinner).

>> Ken At 02:59 AM 9/15/98 -0500, you wrote:>Here is the FDA

>> source...>Lyn =^..^=>> " We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking

>> up at the stars. " >

>> Wilde>http://home.talkcity.com/spiritcir/lynmari/index.html>>X-URL-Title:

>> Botulinum Toxin: A Poison That Can Heal>Content-Disposition:

>> Inline>Content-Type: Text/Plain;

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[Guest guest]

Ken, thanks. My phone lines went down so I am playing catchup here too.

Lyn

" We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars. "

Wilde

http://home.talkcity.com/spiritcir/lynmari/index.html