Re: can newborn babies burn too many calories breastfeeding?

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Some babies do seem to exhaust themselves sucking on a pacifier for long times, and then become slow-gaining. I have been told it's because they are so tired from wearing themselves out with all that sucking that they fall asleep as soon as they take the edge off their hunger, but before they are really full. Of course, it could also be that instead of that explanation, it could be that they burn too many calories with all that sucking and their tummy won't hold enough milk at one time to account for those calories plus growing, and since they are being held off from feedings with the pacifier, they can't feed frequently to make up for that.

So many, many times I wish babies could just talk and tell us what is going on from their perspective!!

Dee Kassing

Subject: Re: can newborn babies burn too many calories breastfeeding?To: Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 6:39 AM

Do they also burn too many calories if they have a pacifier or suck their thumbs?

Jan

I have heard IBCLCs say that when a newborn stays at the breast, sucking for "too long" the baby is burning too many calories on "non nutritive sucking".I have heard this for newborns who breastfeed for longer than 30 minutes per side.What do others think of this?

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Or is that with the pacifier stuffed in their mouths we are missing feeding cues, and so by the time whoever decides it's OK to feed the baby, he's ready for sleep again? And/or, since mom isn't feeding on cue, milk supply is diminishing and it becomes a vicious circle....

This sounds awfully Ezzoish to me -- keeping the baby on a schedule....not feeding....using the pacifier instead of food.

Jan

Some babies do seem to exhaust themselves sucking on a pacifier for long times, and then become slow-gaining. I have been told it's because they are so tired from wearing themselves out with all that sucking that they fall asleep as soon as they take the edge off their hunger, but before they are really full. Of course, it could also be that instead of that explanation, it could be that they burn too many calories with all that sucking and their tummy won't hold enough milk at one time to account for those calories plus growing, and since they are being held off from feedings with the pacifier, they can't feed frequently to make up for that.

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I agree with these possibilities, Jan. And yes, using the pacifier *can* sound Ezzoish, but it also happens when mothers have been told by the pediatrician that "the baby can't possibly be hungry that often--he's just using you like a pacifier." I can't tell you how often I hear that ridiculous instruction (yes, one or two mothers might just have misunderstood the doctor, but it happens way too often for that!) and it drives me crazy! These mothers are trying to listen to their baby, but their doc's comments drove them off-track.

Dee Kassing

Or is that with the pacifier stuffed in their mouths we are missing feeding cues, and so by the time whoever decides it's OK to feed the baby, he's ready for sleep again? And/or, since mom isn't feeding on cue, milk supply is diminishing and it becomes a vicious circle....

This sounds awfully Ezzoish to me -- keeping the baby on a schedule....not feeding....using the pacifier instead of food.

Jan

Some babies do seem to exhaust themselves sucking on a pacifier for long times, and then become slow-gaining. I have been told it's because they are so tired from wearing themselves out with all that sucking that they fall asleep as soon as they take the edge off their hunger, but before they are really full. Of course, it could also be that instead of that explanation, it could be that they burn too many calories with all that sucking and their tummy won't hold enough milk at one time to account for those calories plus growing, and since they are being held off from feedings with the pacifier, they can't feed frequently to make up for that.

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yes, "using me like a pacifier" drives me crazy too. I usually say something like, "which came first?" there's a look of confusion and then a "aha" moment by the parents. I tell moms that when a baby is sucking on a pacifier, he is using it like a breast. (gotta get my jollies somehow!)cheerfully, even tho I have a lingering cough from a stupid cold... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comwww.facebook.com/thesecond9months.--- Subject: Re: can newborn babies burn too many calories breastfeeding?To: Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 2:10 PM

I agree with these possibilities, Jan. And yes, using the pacifier *can* sound Ezzoish, but it also happens when mothers have been told by the pediatrician that "the baby can't possibly be hungry that often--he's just using you like a pacifier." I can't tell you how often I hear that ridiculous instruction (yes, one or two mothers might just have misunderstood the doctor, but it happens way too often for that!) and it drives me crazy! These mothers are trying to listen to their baby, but their doc's comments drove them off-track.

Dee Kassing

Or is that with the pacifier stuffed in their mouths we are missing feeding cues, and so by the time whoever decides it's OK to feed the baby, he's ready for sleep again? And/or, since mom isn't feeding on cue, milk supply is diminishing and it becomes a vicious circle....

This sounds awfully Ezzoish to me -- keeping the baby on a schedule....not feeding....using the pacifier instead of food.

Jan

Some babies do seem to exhaust themselves sucking on a pacifier for long times, and then become slow-gaining. I have been told it's because they are so tired from wearing themselves out with all that sucking that they fall asleep as soon as they take the edge off their hunger, but before they are really full. Of course, it could also be that instead of that explanation, it could be that they burn too many calories with all that sucking and their tummy won't hold enough milk at one time to account for those calories plus growing, and since they are being held off from feedings with the pacifier, they can't feed frequently to make up for that.

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YES!!! I agree. And how many well meaning nurses in the hospital tell moms the same thing -- or if baby nurses longer than they think is appropriate? Or if baby is going thru Second Night? Or (with all due respect to the fabulous grandmothers on this list) the grandma?

We (collectively) screw things up royally, don't we???

Jan

"the baby can't possibly be hungry that often--he's just using you like a pacifier." I can't tell you how often I hear that ridiculous instruction (yes, one or two mothers might just have misunderstood the doctor, but it happens way too often for that!) and it drives me crazy! These mothers are trying to listen to their baby, but their doc's comments drove them off-track.

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I am presently reviewing Keren Epstein-Gilboa’s World Breastfeeding Week presentation she made in Montreal last October. You would all love what she has to say about how we mess things up with our language hindering physiologic breastfeeding.  If you ever have a chance to see her in a conference, please make sure not to miss her. She also published an excellent book entitled : Interaction and Relationships in Breastfeeding Families. On sale on ibreastfeeding.com. Ghislaine Reid, BA (Translation 1981), LLL (1990), IBCLC(2002)Montreal, Quebec, Canada De : [mailto: ] De la part de ibclc@...Envoyé : 21 décembre 2011 17:41À : Objet : Re: can newborn babies burn too many calories breastfeeding? YES!!! I agree. And how many well meaning nurses in the hospital tell moms the same thing -- or if baby nurses longer than they think is appropriate? Or if baby is going thru Second Night? Or (with all due respect to the fabulous grandmothers on this list) the grandma? We (collectively) screw things up royally, don't we??? Jan " the baby can't possibly be hungry that often--he's just using you like a pacifier. " I can't tell you how often I hear that ridiculous instruction (yes, one or two mothers might just have misunderstood the doctor, but it happens way too often for that!) and it drives me crazy! These mothers are trying to listen to their baby, but their doc's comments drove them off-track.

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J May I quote you .  I just love it ! Ghislaine Reid, BA (Translation 1981), LLL (1990), IBCLC(2002)Montreal, Quebec, Canada De : [mailto: ] De la part de BeebeEnvoyé : 21 décembre 2011 17:24À : Objet : Re: can newborn babies burn too many calories breastfeeding? yes, " using me like a pacifier " drives me crazy too. I usually say something like, " which came first? " there's a look of confusion and then a " aha " moment by the parents. I tell moms that when a baby is sucking on a pacifier, he is using it like a breast. (gotta get my jollies somehow!) cheerfully, even tho I have a lingering cough from a stupid cold... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comwww.facebook.com/thesecond9months. --- Subject: Re: can newborn babies burn too many calories breastfeeding?To: Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 2:10 PM I agree with these possibilities, Jan. And yes, using the pacifier *can* sound Ezzoish, but it also happens when mothers have been told by the pediatrician that " the baby can't possibly be hungry that often--he's just using you like a pacifier. " I can't tell you how often I hear that ridiculous instruction (yes, one or two mothers might just have misunderstood the doctor, but it happens way too often for that!) and it drives me crazy! These mothers are trying to listen to their baby, but their doc's comments drove them off-track. Dee Kassing Or is that with the pacifier stuffed in their mouths we are missing feeding cues, and so by the time whoever decides it's OK to feed the baby, he's ready for sleep again? And/or, since mom isn't feeding on cue, milk supply is diminishing and it becomes a vicious circle.... This sounds awfully Ezzoish to me -- keeping the baby on a schedule....not feeding....using the pacifier instead of food. Jan Some babies do seem to exhaust themselves sucking on a pacifier for long times, and then become slow-gaining. I have been told it's because they are so tired from wearing themselves out with all that sucking that they fall asleep as soon as they take the edge off their hunger, but before they are really full. Of course, it could also be that instead of that explanation, it could be that they burn too many calories with all that sucking and their tummy won't hold enough milk at one time to account for those calories plus growing, and since they are being held off from feedings with the pacifier, they can't feed frequently to make up for that.

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of course! glad you like it... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comwww.facebook.com/thesecond9months.--- Subject: RE: can newborn babies burn too many calories breastfeeding?To:

Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 3:30 PM

J May I quote you . I just love it ! Ghislaine Reid, BA (Translation 1981), LLL (1990), IBCLC(2002)Montreal, Quebec, Canada De : [mailto: ] De la part de BeebeEnvoyé : 21 décembre 2011 17:24À : Objet : Re: can newborn babies burn too many calories breastfeeding? yes, "using me like a pacifier" drives me crazy too. I usually say something like, "which came first?" there's a look of confusion and then a "aha" moment by the parents. I tell moms that when a baby is sucking on a pacifier, he is using it like a breast. (gotta get my

jollies somehow!) cheerfully, even tho I have a lingering cough from a stupid cold... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comwww.facebook.com/thesecond9months. Or is that with the pacifier stuffed in their mouths we are missing feeding cues, and so by the time whoever decides it's OK to feed the baby, he's ready for sleep again? And/or, since mom isn't feeding on cue, milk supply is diminishing and it becomes a vicious circle.... This sounds awfully Ezzoish to me -- keeping the baby on a schedule....not feeding....using the pacifier instead of food. Jan Some babies do seem

to exhaust themselves sucking on a pacifier for long times, and then become slow-gaining. I have been told it's because they are so tired from wearing themselves out with all that sucking that they fall asleep as soon as they take the edge off their hunger, but before they are really full. Of course, it could also be that instead of that explanation, it could be that they burn too many calories with all that sucking and their tummy won't hold enough milk at one time to account for those calories plus growing, and since they are being held off from feedings with the pacifier, they can't feed frequently to make up for that.

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Once when a health dept nurse was asking me about helping her become a LLLL, I mentioned that I was nursing my 2yo.  I knew I would not be sponsoring her for leadership when she informed me very cheerfully that he was " using me as a sippy cup! "

Good gravy.Lynn in MO

 

yes, " using me like a pacifier " drives me crazy too.  I usually say something like, " which came first? "  there's a look of confusion and then a " aha " moment by the parents.  I tell moms that when a baby is sucking on a pacifier, he is using it like a breast.  (gotta get my jollies somehow!)

cheerfully, even tho I have a lingering cough from a stupid cold... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula

www.second9months.comwww.facebook.com/thesecond9months.

Or is that with the pacifier stuffed in their mouths we are missing feeding cues, and so by the time whoever decides it's OK to feed the baby, he's ready for sleep again?  And/or, since mom isn't feeding on cue, milk supply is diminishing and it becomes a vicious circle....

 

This sounds awfully Ezzoish to me -- keeping the baby on a schedule....not feeding....using the pacifier instead of food. 

 

Jan  

Some babies do seem to exhaust themselves sucking on a pacifier for long times, and then become slow-gaining.  I have been told it's because they are so tired from wearing themselves out with all that sucking that they fall asleep as soon as they take the edge off their hunger, but before they are really full.  Of course, it could also be that instead of that explanation, it could be that they burn too many calories with all that sucking and their tummy won't hold enough milk at one time to account for those calories plus growing, and since they are being held off from feedings with the pacifier, they can't feed frequently to make up for that.

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hello,

i use this article alot at the LLL meetings i lead, i also pass it on to moms.

it describes and expalins why mothers choose to be the comfort objects (aka

pacifiers as some say) for their still needy babies.

http://www.llli.org/nb/nbjanfeb03p8.html

hope the link works, if not copy and paste.

kathy dounoulis IBCLC, LLLL

Greece

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> > feeding cues, and so by the time whoever decides it's OK to feed the baby,

> > he's ready for sleep again? And/or, since mom isn't feeding on cue, milk

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> > schedule....not feeding....using the pacifier instead of food. *

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> > Some babies do seem to exhaust themselves sucking on a pacifier for long

> > times, and then become slow-gaining. I have been told it's because they

> > are so tired from wearing themselves out with all that sucking that they

> > fall asleep as soon as they take the edge off their hunger, but before they

> > are really full. Of course, it could also be that instead of that

> > explanation, it could be that they burn too many calories with all that

> > sucking and their tummy won't hold enough milk at one time to account for

> > those calories plus growing, and since they are being held off from

> > feedings with the pacifier, they can't feed frequently to make up for that.

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