Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Jayne, Polysorbate-80 is also known as POE-20 sorbitan oleate. It is not directly derived from any living substance. Sorbitan is also known as sorbitol anhydride. Sorbitol is derived from a corn species and then condensed to remove a mole of water forming the anhydride. Oleic acid is an unsaturated fatty acid that is principally derived from the refinement of tallow feedstocks. Ethylene oxide is the material that is used to make the sorbitan oleate ester hydrophilic. This is a petrochemical. I do consider petrochemicals natural since they are derived from the biomass and that is the result of decaying plants and animals. Now you know its pedigree. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Polysorbate 80 Hi to everyone...I am new to the list but have a few questions. Can anyone tell me where Polysorbate 80 comes from. Sorry to sound so silly but, people say all natural and I want to know where that all natural begins. Also, how about Pottassium Sorbate. I have just begun playing with body sprays and do not want to make any mistakes as far as info or labeling. TYIA..Jayne Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Thanks for the info , What else can I do with this? I am making bath oil and I love it... (1-1) ratio... Can I also use this as a emulsifier? What % would you suggest as a starting point....? I really should have asked in chat last night but I had labels on the mind :*).... Thanks, Patti in PA. Polysorbate 80 Hi to everyone...I am new to the list but have a few questions. Can anyone tell me where Polysorbate 80 comes from. Sorry to sound so silly but, people say all natural and I want to know where that all natural begins. Also, how about Pottassium Sorbate. I have just begun playing with body sprays and do not want to make any mistakes as far as info or labeling. TYIA..Jayne Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Patti, As an emulsifier you would typically limit its use to 5% or less. Higher levels of any emulsifier can be irritating to the skin. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Re: Polysorbate 80 Thanks for the info , What else can I do with this? I am making bath oil and I love it... (1-1) ratio... Can I also use this as a emulsifier? What % would you suggest as a starting point....? I really should have asked in chat last night but I had labels on the mind :*).... Thanks, Patti in PA. Polysorbate 80 Hi to everyone...I am new to the list but have a few questions. Can anyone tell me where Polysorbate 80 comes from. Sorry to sound so silly but, people say all natural and I want to know where that all natural begins. Also, how about Pottassium Sorbate. I have just begun playing with body sprays and do not want to make any mistakes as far as info or labeling. TYIA..Jayne Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Thank you . Again you saved the day :*) Patti in PA. Polysorbate 80 Hi to everyone...I am new to the list but have a few questions. Can anyone tell me where Polysorbate 80 comes from. Sorry to sound so silly but, people say all natural and I want to know where that all natural begins. Also, how about Pottassium Sorbate. I have just begun playing with body sprays and do not want to make any mistakes as far as info or labeling. TYIA..Jayne Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 Hi folks, Just wondering what people would say was the suggested max amount of cetyl alcohol that could be used? Is cetyl alcohol an emulsifier and emollient? Is there any limit where past that limit cetyl alcohol would be irritating, drying ???? thanks for any info! cheers, . RE: Polysorbate 80 Patti, As an emulsifier you would typically limit its use to 5% or less. Higher levels of any emulsifier can be irritating to the skin. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 , Cetyl alcohol will cause your emulsion to thicken significantly and have a waxy attribute if you go much above 3%. It is not an emulsifier unless you ethoxylate it. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com RE: Polysorbate 80 Patti, As an emulsifier you would typically limit its use to 5% or less. Higher levels of any emulsifier can be irritating to the skin. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 , Typically up to 5% W/W in a product. I also would doubt seriously that it will have any effect on thinning hair. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Polysorbate 80 I recently purchased polysorbate 80 for use in a body splash and possibly a men's aftershave. Could somebody tell me what the usage rate is? Also, in doing some research on this, I found information that indicated it's good for thinning hair??? How interesting....wonder if I could use it in my shampoo??? TIA, Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 , The term W/W simply means weight for weight as opposed to volume for volume or weight for volume. This indicates that a percentage formula is written in weight versus other notations. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Polysorbate 80 > > I recently purchased polysorbate 80 for use in a body splash and possibly a > men's aftershave. Could somebody tell me what the usage rate is? Also, in > doing some research on this, I found information that indicated it's good > for thinning hair??? How interesting....wonder if I could use it in my > shampoo??? > TIA, > > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 Hi , Thanks for the response. I know what O/W is and W/O is...but exactly what does W/W mean? If I'm going to have water and oil in the recipe, where would the oil addition come? Can you tell I'm a newbie? With this product anyway... I guess it goes to show you that you can't believe everything you read on the internet. Sure sounded promising for thinning hair!! ha Thanks, > , > > Typically up to 5% W/W in a product. I also would doubt seriously that it > will have any effect on thinning hair. > > Young > KY Labs > Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products > www.kylabs.com > > Polysorbate 80 > > I recently purchased polysorbate 80 for use in a body splash and possibly a > men's aftershave. Could somebody tell me what the usage rate is? Also, in > doing some research on this, I found information that indicated it's good > for thinning hair??? How interesting....wonder if I could use it in my > shampoo??? > TIA, > > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 I see, thanks ! > , > > The term W/W simply means weight for weight as opposed to volume for volume > or weight for volume. This indicates that a percentage formula is written in > weight versus other notations. > > Young > KY Labs > Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products > www.kylabs.com > > Polysorbate 80 > > > > I recently purchased polysorbate 80 for use in a body splash and possibly > a > > men's aftershave. Could somebody tell me what the usage rate is? Also, > in > > doing some research on this, I found information that indicated it's good > > for thinning hair??? How interesting....wonder if I could use it in my > > shampoo??? > > TIA, > > > > > > > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > > Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe > > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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