Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I've been doing a lot more reading on Oxytocin since I am now on day 20 of having a very active libido since starting this bio-identical form of the hormone. (This is from a zero libido 98% of the time.) I thought I'd share some of what I found since this is the first truly significant improvement I've experienced in the past three years. Still all new to me but the following research regarding both drug induced damages and sexual issues are compelling. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655889 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18475254 > > >> > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have noticed a bit of> > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many people on this> > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being more relaxed is> > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped raise my> > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been having). I can> > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite because of the> > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and it is hard to> > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. I don't know> > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost two weeks. I> > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which kinda scared> > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on masturbating> > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but there is> > definitely more desire which is good.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I'm bumping this thread. Can't believe no one else is discussing it. Warren > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have noticed a bit > of > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many people on > this > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being more relaxed > is > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped raise my > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been having). I > can > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite because of the > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and it is hard > to > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. I don't > know > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost two weeks. > I > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which kinda > scared > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on masturbating > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but there is > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Yes, I did have genital anesthesia. I would say that it is about 75% better so far. It has been a gradual improvement over the last 9 mos. with the most significant in the last month. I'm hoping it will continue to improve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have noticed a bit > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many people on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being more relaxed > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped raise my > > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been having). I > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite because of the > > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and it is hard > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. I don't > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost two weeks. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which kinda > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on masturbating > > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but there is > > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 In think it definitely caused my hypothyroidism. I had tests over the years while on SSRI (I took for 12 years) & had no thyroid issues. It was not until I came off them that my thyroid became hypo & needed to be supplemented. Same for my other hormones. They also dropped off after stopping SSRIs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have noticed a bit > > > > > of > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many people on > > > > > this > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being more relaxed > > > > > is > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped raise my > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been having). I > > > > > can > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite because of the > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and it is hard > > > > > to > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. I don't > > > > > know > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost two weeks. > > > > > I > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which kinda > > > > > scared > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on masturbating > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but there is > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Hi Man Where can I get some of this oxytocin gel, patch . To: SSRIsex Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:17:52 AM Subject: Re: Buspar (Oxytocin) I've been taking it for 27 days now and started noticing something the second day. Have continued to have a libido ever since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have noticed a > > bit > > > > of > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many people on > > > > this > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being more > > relaxed > > > > is > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped raise my > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been having). > > I > > > > can > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite because of > > the > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and it is > > hard > > > > to > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. I > > don't > > > > know > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost two > > weeks. > > > > I > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which kinda > > > > scared > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on > > masturbating > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but there > > is > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I guess the if the Dr. could answer that we'd all be knocking his door. Aside from the " poorly written " (in terms of grammar)does anything there spark any good insight? All along I have been convinced that this has a lot to do with our neurotransmitters -- especially dopamine, and dopamine and serotonin receptor damage. I definitely see fairly significant changes in moods, motivation, sexual issues when I make changes to the amino acid therapy I do. The problem is the results " bounce " around a bit. According to the Dr. I work with on the amino acid therapy this is typical of receptor damage. I have been doing the amino acid therapy for ~18 mos now and have overcome the anhedonia and mood swings and have seen some flicker of a libido but that aspect has come and gone for only a few days then can disappear again for many weeks. The amino acid therapy has been very expensive (~$300+ per month). The oxytocin has been the biggest catalyst for the boost of libido. I am now 30 days on and my libido has been present from day 2-30. Some days are stronger than others but I guess that is probably true of the average person without PSSD. Some days I have " sex on the brain " where I think about it all day and other days it is much milder where I don't think about sex 24/7 but could get turned out more easily than before. I gotta say I like the " sex on the brain " days best! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have > > noticed a bit > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many > > people on > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being > > more relaxed > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped > > raise my > > > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been > > having). I > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite > > because of the > > > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and > > it is hard > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. > > I don't > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost > > two weeks. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which > > kinda > > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on > > masturbating > > > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but > > there is > > > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Hi Many Individuals have got PSSD even when they weaned off SSRIs extremely slowly. To: SSRIsex Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:54:11 PM Subject: Re: Buspar (Oxytocin) I guess the if the Dr. could answer that we'd all be knocking his door. Aside from the "poorly written" (in terms of grammar)does anything there spark any good insight? All along I have been convinced that this has a lot to do with our neurotransmitters -- especially dopamine, and dopamine and serotonin receptor damage. I definitely see fairly significant changes in moods, motivation, sexual issues when I make changes to the amino acid therapy I do. The problem is the results "bounce" around a bit. According to the Dr. I work with on the amino acid therapy this is typical of receptor damage. I have been doing the amino acid therapy for ~18 mos now and have overcome the anhedonia and mood swings and have seen some flicker of a libido but that aspect has come and gone for only a few days then can disappear again for many weeks. The amino acid therapy has been very expensive (~$300+ per month). The oxytocin has been the biggest catalyst for the boost of libido. I am now 30 days on and my libido has been present from day 2-30. Some days are stronger than others but I guess that is probably true of the average person without PSSD. Some days I have "sex on the brain" where I think about it all day and other days it is much milder where I don't think about sex 24/7 but could get turned out more easily than before. I gotta say I like the "sex on the brain" days best! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have > > noticed a bit > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many > > people on > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being > > more relaxed > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped > > raise my > > > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been > > having). I > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite > > because of the > > > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and > > it is hard > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. > > I don't > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost > > two weeks. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which > > kinda > > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on > > masturbating > > > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but > > there is > > > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Thats why Buspar works. It has given me the drive back. > > > A post by Dr Romeo B. no (aka marianco) of Monterey, California > regarding oxytocin: > > http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/callin-marianco-swale-p\ > lease-134246742-2.html#post506578 > <http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/callin-marianco-swale-\ > please-134246742-2.html#post506578> > > > > Plus a very interesting post by Dr no in the same thread: > > http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/callin-marianco-swale-p\ > lease-134246742.html#post506458 > <http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/callin-marianco-swale-\ > please-134246742.html#post506458> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 that is really interesting. Ive been complaining to doctors about dullness where my liver is but nothing really shows up in the blood test or scans other than slightly elevated bilirubin. It feels like my liver is bloated or inflamed. I am hoping soon I can do a endoscopy on my stomach to clear the possiblity that this is a stomach issue. Ive already tried bunch of acid relfux drugs but nothing helped. I think the article pretty good at explaining what PSSD could be. We already know SSRIs kill HPTA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have > noticed a bit > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many > people on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being > more relaxed > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped > raise my > > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been > having). I > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite > because of the > > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and > it is hard > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. > I don't > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost > two weeks. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which > kinda > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on > masturbating > > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but > there is > > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 maybe this is how PSSD happened. SSRI screws liver -> HTPA shutdown or alteration (also effecting thyroid) due to screwy neurotransmitter -> withdrawl from ssri, we are left with screwy liver, thyroid, adrenal, hypogonadism, and low neurotransmitters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have > > > noticed a bit > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many > > > people on > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being > > > more relaxed > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped > > > raise my > > > > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been > > > having). I > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite > > > because of the > > > > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and > > > it is hard > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. > > > I don't > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost > > > two weeks. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which > > > kinda > > > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on > > > masturbating > > > > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'm not sure if all the Drs. in the BodyLogic network are aware of PSSD or not. I'm only know that mine is aware of it from me and it is through her affiliation with BodyLogic that she became aware of Oxytocin and the sexual benefits some of the other Drs were seeing in prescribing it. Some of the other patients seen by BodyLogic Drs may or may not have had sexual dysfunction due to SSRIs. They may also have had it due to other factors. I have worked with my Dr. for more than two years now. When I wasn't seeing relief of low libido & sexual function through taking bio-identical progesterone and testosterone, she initially suggested getting my neurotransmitter levels tested. Since this was not an area of expertise of hers I did some research and found a naturalpath that I have been working with for about 1 1/2 years on neurotransmitter testing and amino acid therapy. Through the amino therapy I have been able to eliminate the anhedonia and have had some sporatic moments of a libido but nothing consistent. She has been aware of my plight and when they had a recent national conference she thought of me when they discussed Oxytocin. So far I've had some reasonable success with it. Some days are better than others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have noticed a bit > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many people on > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being more relaxed > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped raise my > > > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been having). I > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite because of the > > > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and it is hard > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. I don't > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost two weeks. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which kinda > > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on masturbating > > > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but there is > > > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 ,you said that your libido was really strong after small dose of oxytocine but your orgams still weak.Did you try a big dose before sex?How was it?I tried to get some oxytocine in Spain but here its not available,neither in other european countries,Im still loooking for it... De: "alex10s@..." Para: SSRIsex Enviado: Sábado 11 de febrero de 2012 22:26 Asunto: Re: Buspar (Oxytocin) I'm not sure if all the Drs. in the BodyLogic network are aware of PSSD or not. I'm only know that mine is aware of it from me and it is through her affiliation with BodyLogic that she became aware of Oxytocin and the sexual benefits some of the other Drs were seeing in prescribing it. Some of the other patients seen by BodyLogic Drs may or may not have had sexual dysfunction due to SSRIs. They may also have had it due to other factors. I have worked with my Dr. for more than two years now. When I wasn't seeing relief of low libido & sexual function through taking bio-identical progesterone and testosterone, she initially suggested getting my neurotransmitter levels tested. Since this was not an area of expertise of hers I did some research and found a naturalpath that I have been working with for about 1 1/2 years on neurotransmitter testing and amino acid therapy. Through the amino therapy I have been able to eliminate the anhedonia and have had some sporatic moments of a libido but nothing consistent. She has been aware of my plight and when they had a recent national conference she thought of me when they discussed Oxytocin. So far I've had some reasonable success with it. Some days are better than others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and have noticed a bit > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how many people on > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. Being more relaxed > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has helped raise my > > > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've been having). I > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite because of the > > > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel 'up' and it is hard > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to music. I don't > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for almost two weeks. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different which kinda > > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan on masturbating > > > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, but there is > > > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Here is a guide to Oxytocin. It also includes many ways to obtain it legally within the US. The guy who writes the pdf describes his own experiences with the different forms. He doesn't necessarily have an objective viewpoint, but he describes the benefits of sublingual Oxytocin as lasting several hours. http://oxytocincentral.com/files/OxytocinGuideFinal.pdf , are you still noticing improvement? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and > have > > noticed a bit > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how > many > > people on > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. > Being > > more relaxed > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has > helped > > raise my > > > > > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've > > been having). I > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite > > because of the > > > > > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel > 'up' > > and it is hard > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to > > music. I don't > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for > > almost two weeks. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different > > which kinda > > > > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan > > on masturbating > > > > > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, > > but there is > > > > > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I am still feeling the benefits of the Oxytocin in terms of ability to get aroused but 3 1/2 weeks ago I had to make some significant downward adjustments in my thyroid meds. It caused my libido to drop down as I went hypothyroid. (I had switch brands of natural thyroid meds and did so too quickly and was having heart palpatations and insomnia. I dropped the dose to less than half to get rid of the sleep issues and have been slowing working my way back up to where I need to be.) I will have to report back then when my thyroid levels are at the appropriate levels. I'll keep you posted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Buspar 10mg twice a day and > > have > > > noticed a bit > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > an increase in sexual desire. I was wondering how > > many > > > people on > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > site have tried it and what they think about it. > > Being > > > more relaxed > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > helping me sort things out and I believe it has > > helped > > > raise my > > > > > > > > > > > > testosterone too (helping with the body pains I've > > > been having). I > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > lift more weight and I also have more of an appetite > > > because of the > > > > > > > > > > > > buspar. The only downside is I don't really feel > > 'up' > > > and it is hard > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > really feel some emotions such as when I listen to > > > music. I don't > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > how long I will be taking it, I've been on it for > > > almost two weeks. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > masturbated today and it did feel a little different > > > which kinda > > > > > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > > > > > me, but I'm hoping it's only temporary. I don't plan > > > on masturbating > > > > > > > > > > > > while I'm on it, I don't want to tamper with things, > > > but there is > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely more desire which is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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