Re: Platinum

[Guest guest]

Hi Rogene!

The way I think my chiro explained the test is that it shows a couple of months worth of information, depending on the length of the new hair growth sent. Since I have had autoimmune issues, I’m just curious if any of my hair results will be similar. I have no idea what set me off years ago and maybe with all of the detoxing I have good hair.

The plastic surgeons could have walked out because their conscious bothered them. Yah right! It is despicable, I guess they can claim ignorance if they don’t hear the problems they are inflicting.

Kenda

Kenda,

I'm replying to a lady on SiliconeSupport, but copying

to SalineKids

The thing I see about testing is that the materials

that are tested . . . hair, urine, blood are those

that are CIRCULATING through the body.

What I think is causing most of the damage is the

platinum and other toxins that are lodged in the

tissues.

In other words, if heavy metals are found in the

urine, they are on their way out of the body. So,

women who have been explanted longer will have less

platinum than those explanted recently.

Unfortunately, as implants age, ever increasing

amounts of platinum are leached into the body . . . As

I understand it, breast implants have a FIVE-YEAR

shelf life! Is this crazy, or what?

What troubles me is that the offspring of implanted

women are showing very high levels of platinum. Their

little immune systems are very immature, so the

effects are going to be more serious than on adults.

If someone were to injure a child on the street as

badly as these children are being injured by silicone

implants (of all types), they would rot in prison. As

it is, they get bonuses for increasing sales!

BTW, I understand the plastic surgeons walked out of

the FDA hearings when the children crippled by

silicone came in! They should get a bunch of " atta

boys " for that!

God help us all,

Rogene

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[Guest guest]

Sheesh, Rogene, how callous is that!

How many kids were there? Do you know?

Patty

> Kenda,

>

> I'm replying to a lady on SiliconeSupport, but copying

> to SalineKids

>

> The thing I see about testing is that the materials

> that are tested . . . hair, urine, blood are those

> that are CIRCULATING through the body.

>

> What I think is causing most of the damage is the

> platinum and other toxins that are lodged in the

> tissues.

>

> In other words, if heavy metals are found in the

> urine, they are on their way out of the body. So,

> women who have been explanted longer will have less

> platinum than those explanted recently.

>

> Unfortunately, as implants age, ever increasing

> amounts of platinum are leached into the body . . . As

> I understand it, breast implants have a FIVE-YEAR

> shelf life! Is this crazy, or what?

>

> What troubles me is that the offspring of implanted

> women are showing very high levels of platinum. Their

> little immune systems are very immature, so the

> effects are going to be more serious than on adults.

>

> If someone were to injure a child on the street as

> badly as these children are being injured by silicone

> implants (of all types), they would rot in prison. As

> it is, they get bonuses for increasing sales!

>

> BTW, I understand the plastic surgeons walked out of

> the FDA hearings when the children crippled by

> silicone came in! They should get a bunch of " atta

> boys " for that!

>

> God help us all,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

I don't know . . . at least three. P.J.s daughter was

one.

Rogene

--- glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

>

> Sheesh, Rogene, how callous is that!

>

> How many kids were there? Do you know?

> Patty

>

>

> > Kenda,

> >

> > I'm replying to a lady on SiliconeSupport, but

> copying

> > to SalineKids

> >

> > The thing I see about testing is that the

> materials

> > that are tested . . . hair, urine, blood are those

> > that are CIRCULATING through the body.

> >

> > What I think is causing most of the damage is the

> > platinum and other toxins that are lodged in the

> > tissues.

> >

> > In other words, if heavy metals are found in the

> > urine, they are on their way out of the body. So,

> > women who have been explanted longer will have

> less

> > platinum than those explanted recently.

> >

> > Unfortunately, as implants age, ever increasing

> > amounts of platinum are leached into the body . .

> . As

> > I understand it, breast implants have a FIVE-YEAR

> > shelf life! Is this crazy, or what?

> >

> > What troubles me is that the offspring of

> implanted

> > women are showing very high levels of platinum.

> Their

> > little immune systems are very immature, so the

> > effects are going to be more serious than on

> adults.

> >

> > If someone were to injure a child on the street as

> > badly as these children are being injured by

> silicone

> > implants (of all types), they would rot in prison.

> As

> > it is, they get bonuses for increasing sales!

> >

> > BTW, I understand the plastic surgeons walked out

> of

> > the FDA hearings when the children crippled by

> > silicone came in! They should get a bunch of " atta

> > boys " for that!

> >

> > God help us all,

> >

> > Rogene

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am very high in oxidized platinum, and you? did you test high?

DedeSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

Maybe I do, I have the report somewhere, was done by Cando, Keeling. So far I havent found anyone that wants to help me with it. I have given a copy of the report to 5 doctors. But isnt that the story.......once they know there are safe implants inolved, they turn into big dumbasses.

Love you ~ DedeSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Dede, Do you mean Ionized platinum? . . . That's a very potent neurotoxin. RogeneDGRAHAMA@... wrote: I am very high in oxidized platinum, and you? did you test high? Dede See what's

free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Gretchen, Quite a few implant women test high for platinum . . . but that's after a ruptured, or old implant. . . You didn't have your implants long enough for them to leach platinum. And, because they were cohesive gel, they would not have leaked enough gel into your system for you to have high platinum levels from your implants. Rogene ". .Gretchen. ." <gretchenc@...> wrote: did anyone

test high for platinum-- gretchen

[Guest guest]

so why am i still getting so much sicker?On 5/8/07, Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

Gretchen, Quite a few implant women test high for platinum . . . but that's after a ruptured, or old implant. . . You didn't have your implants long enough for them to leach platinum. And, because they were cohesive gel, they would not have leaked enough gel into your system for you to have high platinum levels from your implants.

Rogene " . .Gretchen. . " <gretchenc@...> wrote:

did anyone

test high for platinum-- gretchen

-- gretchen

[Guest guest]

God Bless you Rogene, thank you ! ! Love you ~ DedeSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Gretchen, When someone is detoxing, often times they will feel worse even though they are getting better. Gretchen, Are you drinking at least 1/2 ounce of water per pound of body weight each day? Are you taking a good Mineral supplement? - especially Calcium/Magnesium? Is there silicone dioxide in ANY of your supplements or medications? Are you continuing with FAR infrared sauna, or did you just do it once? Are you using the foot baths? Have you eliminated sugar and refined grain from your diet? Are you taking a good probiotic like Acidopholis, Primal Defense? Are you drinking/eating Kefir? Are you getting a little exercise? Are you avoiding stress? Are you eating any processed foods? Are you taking hot Epsom Salt baths? (you could add a bottle of 3% hydrogen peroxide too) Are you visualizing yourself healthy while meditating? There are lot of little things you can do . .. But you must do them consistently for a long time to feel much better. Hugs, Rogene

[Guest guest]

see belowOn 5/9/07, Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

Gretchen, When someone is detoxing, often times they will feel worse even though they are getting better. Gretchen, Are you drinking at least 1/2 ounce of water per pound of body weight each day? yes im very thirsty

Are you taking a good Mineral supplement? - especially Calcium/Magnesium? yes Is there silicone dioxide in ANY of your supplements or medications? no Are you continuing with FAR infrared sauna, or did you just do it once? once so far Are you using the foot baths? yes Have you eliminated sugar and refined grain from your diet? yes

Are you taking a good probiotic like Acidopholis, Primal Defense? yes Are you drinking/eating Kefir? yogurt Are you getting a little exercise? not much i cant see good Are you avoiding stress? trying but this is scary. im worse daily Are you eating any processed foods? no Are you taking hot Epsom Salt baths? (you could add a bottle of 3% hydrogen peroxide too) yes

Are you visualizing yourself healthy while meditating? trying There are lot of little things you can do . .. But you must do them consistently for a long time to feel much better.

Hugs, Rogene

-- gretchen

[Guest guest]

Gretchen, It looks like you are on track to getting better . .. it's just going to take a while. You might add raw, crushed, fresh garlic . . . or Oil of Oregano. Is there anything that helps you feel better? I know you've been tested for diabetes . . . but I'd ask for a second opinion. Ongoing thirst goes with diabetes . . . as does feeling exhausted and foggy thinking. Hugs, Rogene

[Guest guest]

i have only gotten worse since i saw kolbnothing makes me feel bettersomething has to still be in me?On 5/9/07, Rogene S <

saxony01@...> wrote:

Gretchen, It looks like you are on track to getting better . .. it's just going to take a while. You might add raw, crushed, fresh garlic . . . or Oil of Oregano.

Is there anything that helps you feel better? I know you've been tested for diabetes . . . but I'd ask for a second opinion. Ongoing thirst goes with diabetes . . . as does feeling exhausted and foggy thinking.

Hugs, Rogene

-- gretchen

[Guest guest]

Gretchen, You're right that there's probably still stuff in you . . . but it's not the kind of stuff that can be removed by surgery. . . The stuff I'm talking about is so tiny, you probably couldn't see it without a microscope. Bacteria and fungus. It's going to take time for your body to heal itself. To do that, you need to give it what it needs through nutrition and lifestyle management - including stress reduction. Even if you can't see well, you can excercise at home - even if you have to sit in chair or lay down when you do it. . I'm not talking about heavy exercise . . . just light exercise or yoga. I think you need to tell your doctor that you have excessive thirst and that your eyesight isn't good . . . Both are indications of diabetes. If you do have diabetes, you're not going to get better until you get it under control. I know one woman who checked out OK one month, then had full blown diabetes the next. . . See your doctor and ask to be tested. Rogene

[Guest guest]

thanks. i dont have diabetes... but before i saw kolb i had all theseeye problems too. all my symptoms are just back full blast.im very scared and staying with my parents. i dont remember anythinganymore either and my memory was back after kolb too.

keep me in your thoughts. i really want to get better one day.. at leasthave one day good. i havent had one since i saw her.On 5/9/07, Rogene S

<saxony01@...> wrote:

Gretchen, You're right that there's probably still stuff in you . . . but it's not the kind of stuff that can be removed by surgery. . . The stuff I'm talking about is so tiny, you probably couldn't see it without a microscope. Bacteria and fungus.

It's going to take time for your body to heal itself. To do that, you need to give it what it needs through nutrition and lifestyle management - including stress reduction. Even if you can't see well, you can excercise at home - even if you have to sit in chair or lay down when you do it. . I'm not talking about heavy exercise . . . just light exercise or yoga.

I think you need to tell your doctor that you have excessive thirst and that your eyesight isn't good . . . Both are indications of diabetes. If you do have diabetes, you're not going to get better until you get it under control.

I know one woman who checked out OK one month, then had full blown diabetes the next. . . See your doctor and ask to be tested. Rogene

-- gretchen

[Guest guest]

Gretchen, Are you seeing any doctors now? . . . What kind of doctors? . . . What do they say? Have you been checked for adrenal failure? Rogene

[Guest guest]

ive seen every doc imaginable. tomorrow im seeing a rhumatologist...the one kelly saw at usc. at least they will beleive me. i honestly think the steroids from surgery supressed my immune systemand wore off and im getting sick again. nothing else makes sense.

On 5/9/07, Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

Gretchen, Are you seeing any doctors now? . . . What kind of doctors? . . . What do they say? Have you been checked for adrenal failure? Rogene

-- gretchen

[Guest guest]

As far as I know, there isn't any conclusive evidence that Gretchen's symptoms are a result of toxic mold or bacteria. In fact, Kolb's treatment for molds, etc., didn't seem to do much for her.

I still think the body gets stimulated by implants and goes into a red alert state. Perhaps the initial honeymoon period after the second surgery raised her corticol levels(temporarily) and gave her that bit of a reprieve, then she crashed again. But of course all of this is conjecture.The fact is, we still do not know what exactly causes women to react to implants.

I believe that sticking to a healthy diet and lifestyle will help Gretchen recover, but it seems to me that piling on too many recommendations can just add stress. Just my opinion.

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Bindi,

I agree. I think the problem is that Gretchen

just keeps reaching for an answer, and she

already has the answers. She is just too sick

and too desperate to see that time and detox are the only answers.

Some of us are survivors, some just roll with the

flow, and some just keep crying and not believing.

Lynda

At 10:20 PM 5/9/2007, you wrote:

>As far as I know, there isn't any conclusive

>evidence that Gretchen's symptoms are a result

>of toxic mold or bacteria. In fact, Kolb's

>treatment for molds, etc., didn't seem to do much for her.

>

>I still think the body gets stimulated by

>implants and goes into a red alert state.

>Perhaps the initial honeymoon period after the

>second surgery raised her corticol

>levels(temporarily) and gave her that bit of a

>reprieve, then she crashed again. But of course

>all of this is conjecture.The fact is, we still

>do not know what exactly causes women to react to implants.

>

>I believe that sticking to a healthy diet and

>lifestyle will help Gretchen recover, but it

>seems to me that piling on too many

>recommendations can just add stress. Just my opinion.

>

>Bindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bindi, You're right, we can't prove Gretchen's problems are a result of mold or bacteria . . . We can't examine her, or do the tests. . . All we can do is make recommendations based on what we've seen work for the many women who have come through the group - and for ourselves. Gretchen must take charge of her own health and, if what she's doing doesn't work, she must keep looking until she finds the solution. Maybe the medical profession can help her - maybe it can't. Meanwhile following a healthy lifestyle won't hurt. She is fortunate to have the loving support of her family. I feel strongly that Gretchen is making things worse by dwelling on how bad she feels vs. adopting a positive attitude that would relieve stress and promote healing. I know it's hard to be positive when one feels so bad . . . but we only have to look to Dede and Marie to see how concentrating on the

positive can bring positive results even when one is extremely ill. When one thinks positively, they keep searching for answers. . . When one thinks negatively, they quit searching because they lose hope. When one thinks positively, they keep doing the healthy things because they KNOW they will get better. . . When one thinks negatively, they won't do the necessary things to get better because they don't believe it will make a difference. Most healing begins with the mind. Hugs, Rogene

[Guest guest]

Gretchen, I'm relieved to hear you're seeing 's doctor! . . . They are experienced in dealing with these issues! . . . We'll keep you in our prayers! . . . Are you still taking steroids? . . . Did you ever take steroids while body building? If so, there may be a cumulative effect. Regardless, steroids are nasty stuff. You get short term benefits, but pay over time. Sometimes they're necessary though. Hugs, Rogene

[Guest guest]

Bindi,

In my case, I think my body went into that red alert state, too.

Not sure what triggered it, either the foreign body in my body, the

chemicals, etc. My body is really sensitive to daily exposure to

the same things - it seems the only thing that doesn't bother me is

a probiotic. If I do any one thing repetitively, I have problems.

I notice eating healthy and exercising have helped me quite a bit,

but it took about six months before I noticed a difference after

explant. I got worse for the first six months after explant, and

then the tide turned. I'm certainly not 100% better, but I'm

probably about 70% better and that's not bad. I haven't been great

at detoxing per se, although I did notice that Garden of Life has a

new product - 3 different bottles of different formulations that you

use for 10 days to detoxify the body. The only thing I worry about

with these types of detoxing programs is that every one of my

sisters has had gall bladder surgery, and I'm the only one with a

gall bladder. I notice that there are warnings for people with gall

bladder problems regarding certain types of detox programs. I don't

have a gall bladder problem, but I wonder if the fact that all of my

sisters did makes me at risk. I just don't want to try to detox and

end up needing surgery to have my gallbladder removed. So, I just

ordered the ionic foot bath and I'll see if that can help my

healing. I'd really love to get a FAR Infrared sauna, too, but

right now I'm out of work again.

Sis

>

> As far as I know, there isn't any conclusive evidence that

Gretchen's symptoms are a result of toxic mold or bacteria. In fact,

Kolb's treatment for molds, etc., didn't seem to do much for her.

>

> I still think the body gets stimulated by implants and goes into a

red alert state. Perhaps the initial honeymoon period after the

second surgery raised her corticol levels(temporarily) and gave her

that bit of a reprieve, then she crashed again. But of course all of

this is conjecture.The fact is, we still do not know what exactly

causes women to react to implants.

>

> I believe that sticking to a healthy diet and lifestyle will help

Gretchen recover, but it seems to me that piling on too many

recommendations can just add stress. Just my opinion.

>

> Bindi

>

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

I always believed I would get better and I fought

to stay positive, even when my doctors thought I would not live.

So I know that believing and being positive saved my life.

I wish we had a magic way to help those who are so unsure and scared.

Lynda

At 08:03 AM 5/10/2007, you wrote:

>Bindi,

>

>You're right, we can't prove Gretchen's problems

>are a result of mold or bacteria . . . We can't

>examine her, or do the tests. . . All we can do

>is make recommendations based on what we've seen

>work for the many women who have come through the group - and for ourselves.

>

>Gretchen must take charge of her own health and,

>if what she's doing doesn't work, she must keep

>looking until she finds the solution. Maybe the

>medical profession can help her - maybe it

>can't. Meanwhile following a healthy lifestyle

>won't hurt. She is fortunate to have the loving support of her family.

>

>I feel strongly that Gretchen is making things

>worse by dwelling on how bad she feels vs.

>adopting a positive attitude that would relieve

>stress and promote healing. I know it's hard to

>be positive when one feels so bad . . . but we

>only have to look to Dede and Marie to see how

>concentrating on the positive can bring positive

>results even when one is extremely ill.

>

>When one thinks positively, they keep searching

>for answers. . . When one thinks negatively,

>they quit searching because they lose hope. When

>one thinks positively, they keep doing the

>healthy things because they KNOW they will get

>better. . . When one thinks negatively, they

>won't do the necessary things to get better

>because they don't believe it will make a difference.

>

>Most healing begins with the mind.

>

>Hugs,

>

>Rogene

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lynda, I think the stories of women who have come to the group so terribly sick and have gotten so much better is the best thing we have to offer . . . I lost count long ago . . . There have to be hundreds and hundreds . . The total number of members doesn't tell the story because so many women have moved on. I love to see them come back, even if only to leave a single message about how they have gotten their lives back! . . . It makes it all worthwhile! To read these stories, go through the archives . . . look for new names, then follow them for about a year or so . . . Life can be good again! Love, Rogene Lynda <coss@...> wrote: Rogene,I always believed I would get better and I fought to stay positive, even when my doctors thought I would not live.So I know that believing and being positive saved my life.I wish we had a magic way to help those who are so unsure and scared.LyndaAt 08:03 AM 5/10/2007, you wrote:>Bindi,>>You're right, we can't prove Gretchen's problems >are a result of mold or bacteria . . . We can't >examine her, or do the tests. . . All we can do >is make recommendations based on what we've seen >work for the many women who have come through the

group - and for ourselves.>>Gretchen must take charge of her own health and, >if what she's doing doesn't work, she must keep >looking until she finds the solution. Maybe the >medical profession can help her - maybe it >can't. Meanwhile following a healthy lifestyle >won't hurt. She is fortunate to have the loving support of her family.>>I feel strongly that Gretchen is making things >worse by dwelling on how bad she feels vs. >adopting a positive attitude that would relieve >stress and promote healing. I know it's hard to >be positive when one feels so bad . . . but we >only have to look to Dede and Marie to see how >concentrating on the positive can bring positive >results even when one is extremely ill.>>When one thinks positively, they keep searching >for answers. . . When one thinks negatively, >they quit searching because they

lose hope. When >one thinks positively, they keep doing the >healthy things because they KNOW they will get >better. . . When one thinks negatively, they >won't do the necessary things to get better >because they don't believe it will make a difference.>>Most healing begins with the mind.>>Hugs,>>Rogene>>>>

[Guest guest]

the girl who said her hubby said she was drunk sounding

On 5/11/07, auntsisnj <auntsisnj@...> wrote:

Hi Gretchen,I'm not sure if you're asking if I had saline or silicone, or if someone else did. If you're asking about me, I had saline.Sis> > > >> >> > > >> > As far as I know, there isn't any conclusive evidence that> > > > Gretchen's symptoms are a result of toxic mold or bacteria. In> > fact,> > > > Kolb's treatment for molds, etc., didn't seem to do much for her.> > > >> >> > > >> > I still think the body gets stimulated by implants and goes> > into a> > > > red alert state. Perhaps the initial honeymoon period after the> > > > second surgery raised her corticol levels(temporarily) and gave> > her

> > > > that bit of a reprieve, then she crashed again. But of course> > all of> > > > this is conjecture.The fact is, we still do not know what exactly> > > > causes women to react to implants.

> > > >> >> > > >> > I believe that sticking to a healthy diet and lifestyle will> > help> > > > Gretchen recover, but it seems to me that piling on too many

> > > > recommendations can just add stress. Just my opinion.> > > >> >> > > >> > Bindi> > > >> >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > gretchen> -- gretchen