Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 Bill, I'd suggest you set your sights lower *grin* I've been unsuccessfully looking for either an emulsifier OR a thickener that will work well with handmade liquid soap and have come to the conclusion that it's an ugly battle that is really hard to win...maybe THAT's the reason for the heavy use of syndets! *grin* Admittedly, I haven't tried a lot, but haven't found anything nor heard of anything that will successfully keep either additional oils or a built-in superfat from separating out, nor have I heard of anything that will... I honestly suspect that part of the reason there is almost no KOH soap on the market isn't just because syndets are cheap and easy to use, but because KOH soap is just darned hard to work with... I also think you may find a LOT of resistance to the idea of using actual soap on the face...most of us women have been indoctrinated into the 'soap is bad for the face' thing... Also, given that there's very little that you can do to protect the eyes, the risk of the consumer getting the soap product into their eyes is awfully high...and it stings! Just my $.02 worth...if you find anything, let us know! Jules in Vancouver > > Bill, > > > > need more info about what you are wanting to do before I can help > you. > > > , > > I have a liquid soap that is homemade using KOH. I would like to use > herbal infusions to add for proper dilution and add fixed oils as > well as essential oils to make a liquid facial soap. Of course, I > will need preservatives also. I suppose I could take my undiluted > soap paste and add herbal infusions and preservative, then heat soap > and add fixed oils with possibly an emulsifier and after cools a > little add the essential oils. What do you think? Can you advise on > best emulsifier if I need one and the best preservative in this > scenario? Obviously, I am not concerned with liquid soap clarity. > Thank you. > > Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2000 Report Share Posted November 27, 2000 I have a high regard for Kibby at FNWL - at every Gathering I have been to she is the most generous person I have met. I have a bunch of shampoo base from her that I still need to thank her for. I just don't know what to think. Would she have been addressing the solution to the layperson? I think most of us could effectively understand what the solution was used for. My linen spray here from Bath and Body works lists only fragrance along with the Polysorbate and the glycol(s), witchazel and tons of extracts (what you do with extracts on your bed behooves me). I don't see the fragrance(s) particulars listed and can't remember the last time I saw fragrance ingredients listed. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2000 Report Share Posted November 27, 2000 In a message dated 11/27/00 7:21:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, @... writes: > There are many reputable > suppliers that sell in small quantities to small businesses. While I have > started selling materials on this list and others I am not the only supplier > and often recommend other vendors to people that ask. There are many things Who are these businesses? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2000 Report Share Posted November 27, 2000 Jackie, That will depend on the items for which you are looking. In some cases even the manufacturer will sell small or give away small quantities of a material for 'evaluation' purposes. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Re: Re: emulsifier In a message dated 11/27/00 7:21:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, @... writes: > There are many reputable > suppliers that sell in small quantities to small businesses. While I have > started selling materials on this list and others I am not the only supplier > and often recommend other vendors to people that ask. There are many things Who are these businesses? Jackie Addresses: Post message: Cosmeticinfoegroups Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribeegroups Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribeegroups List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owneregroups URL to home page: /group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 If yall are looking for polysorbate 20, Sherri at OSHUN has it. Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 >>I am sorry to disagree with you here but I do not know of any fragrance >>material that cannot be solubilized with the correct solubilizer. >>Polysorbate-20 may not solubilize all of the fragrance materials if you'd read my post and the one I was replying to you'd see we were talking about sprays made with polysorbate 20, NOT about all emulsifiers available. Warmly, Sherri http://oshun.ca mailto:sherri@... Oshun - Your wholesale source for quality soap & cosmetic ingredients, packaging, bulk toiletries and handcrafted soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 " natural " as >possible? Why would it be so necessary to use so much chemicals in this >simple linen spray? An emulsifier is necessary if one wants to emulsify or solublilize the fragrance/eo in water. Since a linen spray isn't even a cosmetic one could make a simple spritzer with distilled water and eo's, it would just need to be shaken well before each use. Warmly, Sherri http://oshun.ca mailto:sherri@... Oshun - Your wholesale source for quality soap & cosmetic ingredients, packaging, bulk toiletries and handcrafted soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 Sherri, I have read your post and the comment was that: " So you may find some that will be opaque no matter the ratio of polysorbate 20 to fragrance, others that will be clear and some will even start out clear with an opaque layer settling out later upon sitting (a simple shake before use and this is fine). " My comment is that there are few fragrances that you can't solubilize with polysorbate-20. You may need to increase the concentration beyond the 1:1 ratio that you start at and you may need to add heat to assist in the chemical reaction. Barring that there are other ethoxylated nonionics that can be used and these include PEG-40 Castor Oil and Isoceteth-20. There is no reason that anyone for any type of product (cosmetic or otherwise) should have a poorly formulated product in which the fragrance has not been solubilized. If you go back and read my response I stated that there is no reason that you can't solubilize your fragrance. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com RE: emulsifier >>I am sorry to disagree with you here but I do not know of any fragrance >>material that cannot be solubilized with the correct solubilizer. >>Polysorbate-20 may not solubilize all of the fragrance materials if you'd read my post and the one I was replying to you'd see we were talking about sprays made with polysorbate 20, NOT about all emulsifiers available. Warmly, Sherri http://oshun.ca mailto:sherri@... Oshun - Your wholesale source for quality soap & cosmetic ingredients, packaging, bulk toiletries and handcrafted soap. Addresses: Post message: Cosmeticinfoegroups Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribeegroups Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribeegroups List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owneregroups URL to home page: /group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 Bonnie, A good source that you can purchase small quantities of various materials is Ruger Chemical in NJ. Their phone number is . Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Re: emulsifier With all the talk about emulsifiers, my interest is piqued. It seems from what has been posted, FNWL is out of the question as a supplier for this, so can I get recommendations of where to buy an emulsifer for body or linen sprays? Thanks much! Bonnie Addresses: Post message: Cosmeticinfoegroups Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribeegroups Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribeegroups List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owneregroups URL to home page: /group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 > Bonnie, > > A good source that you can purchase small quantities of various > materials is Ruger Chemical in NJ. Their phone number is > . > > Young Thank you, Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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