Re: celiac disease trigger needed --

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Kenda, no I am not mistaken, the "trigger" is an envirnmental trigger, which numerous studies make examples such as viral infection or surgery. Do a search. I also sent another post on this. I want to set this straight to all the women on this site, that this is the only disease known to need an envornmental trigger to set it off, which then can also be implants, or infections casued by them, or toxic poisoning. This can be what triggered it in me. I said "can"

The environmental trigger that begins the process is not gluten itself, gluten is merely what the body then reacts to, or is suspeptable to. To understand it, environmental triggers such as surgeries or viral infections, bring out a genetic suseptabilty to gluten intolerance or celiac disease, making the body senstive to gluten. Of course I know what tests are needed to rule it in, as well as for my son, I have been there. Done it. We are diagnosed celiac's. Of course, I have gotten better off gluten products, I have had to go this route now that I am showing an auto immnue response to it. The question I merely brought up- is the response triggered by implants causing a overeactive system in some individulas? I have tried to explain this, and dont want to argue with you on this. But envonmental trigger means-surgery or illness, or stress that brings on the disease. Reread. Or specifically ask your doctor. "What is an environmental trigger?"

I was merely trying to help as I have done on this site for years. I didnt think I would be argued with by saying my implants, that were moldy and 9 years old "could have triggered this", this is exactly what this site if for, is for information about our illnesses, to keep an open mind, as many of our docs will never do, and not to discredit our questions, Or new findings, as I have been told. I'll go with the top celiac specialist in the country on this one, that believes the implants triggered this in both me an my son, as it fits envirnmental trigger "criteria"

From one artilce_

"Celiac disease--also called sprue, nontropical sprue, gluten sensitive enteropathy, celiac sprue, and adult celiac disease--may be discovered at any age. Researchers believe that a combination of genetic and environmental factors trigger the disease. Environmental events that may provoke celiac disease in those with a genetic predisposition to the disorder include surgery or a viral infection."

another-

CAUSES

The symptoms of celiac disease (such as diarrhea, weight loss, and abdominal bloating) are caused by eating foods that contain gluten. Why eating gluten triggers symptoms of celiac disease in some people is though to be related to:

Genetics: Celiac disease may be inherited. Current research indicates celiac disease is strongly associated with a group of genes on Chromosome 6. These genes (HLA class II antigens) are involved in the regulation of the body's immune response to the gluten protein fractions.

Occurs more often in genetically susceptible Caucasians.

Is rare in blacks, Japanese, and Chinese.

Occurs at the same rate in male and female children.

In adults, the disease is found twice as often in females than males.

Occurs more often (about 5-15%) in first-degree relatives (brothers, sisters, parents, sons, daughters) of people who have the disease. In 70% of identical twin pairs, both twins have the disease. It is suggested that family members be tested for celiac disease.

Immune System Problems: Problems with a person's immune system may increase the likelihood that eating gluten will trigger an immune reaction. This immune reaction may damage the lining of the small intestine, leading to symptoms of celiac disease.

IMMUNE SYSTEM OVERVIEW:

The immune system is the body's natural defense system. A health immune system recognizes foreign substances, such as bacteria and viruses, as being different from body tissues. It then attacks and destroys them. When working properly, the immune system allows the body to fight off infections.

The immune system is also responsible for allergic reactions and allergies, which may occur when the immune system overreacts to a substance called an allergen (such as pollen, mold, chemicals, plants, and medications).

The body's immune system consists of:

Special proteins called antibodies. Antibodies attach themselves to foreign substances, such as bacteria or viruses, and allow other immune system cells to attack and destroy them.

Special types of white blood cells produced by the lymphatic, or lymph, system. When the body is fighting an infection, the lymph nodes may swell or become hard or tender.

Many chemicals and proteins that help kill bacteria or viruses or remove unknown substances from the blood or tissues.

The health of the immune system can be affected by many factors, including age, medications, and medical conditions. If the immune system is weakened or impaired by disease or medications, the person will be at higher risk for infections.

Sometimes the body responds to its own tissues as if they were foreign substances. This is called autoimmune response.

Environment: Agents, such as bacteria, may play a role in triggering celiac disease in susceptible people who eat gluten. A virus that causes upper respiratory and stomach illness may also trigger celiac disease in people who are prone to developing the disease.

Another srticle-

The exact cause of celiac disease is unknown. The development of celiac disease requires a genetically predisposed person to be eating wheat, rye, oats or barley. Even if these two factors are present, celiac disease may not develop until a "trigger factor" starts the abnormal immune system response. Sometimes, a viral illness appears to be that "trigger." Celiac disease causes the intestine’s villi to become flattened and lose the ability to absorb nutrients. Weight loss, anemia and vitamin deficiencies may occur as a result of the malabsorption (inadequate absorption of nutrients from the intestinal tract). After exposure to gluten, intestinal damage may develop within a few months or may be postponed for several years.

>From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: celiac disease trigger needed -- yes and it is gluten >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:12:26 -0500 > >, > >The environmental trigger is gluten, which is what I said in my previous >email, not an unknown trigger such as silicone. You eliminate gluten, you >eliminate the damage done by Celiac Disease. Very few people do not respond >positively to the CD diet. You need to test positive for CD and react to >gluten to be a Celiac with symptoms. Asymptomatic celiacs do not react to >gluten. A lot of people with immune problems have more than one disease but >Celiac Disease is caused by gluten. > >There are two different ways to diagnose CD and there is a lot of debate >about the efficacy of both. The gluten antibody test can predict one¹s >tendency toward CD but is not considered conclusive in itself. A biopsy of >the intestine is needed for a definitive diagnosis. People are often >misdiagnosed as having CD when what they really have is an intolerance to >gluten, which is not the same thing. > >I highlighted the areas in blue that refer to triggers. If you reread them, >you will see that they are referring to the trigger as gluten. > >Kenda > > > > Read lower: Paragraph 16- "Celiac disease is the only auto immnue disease > > where a trigger is known " you must have both an envionmental trigger as well > > as a genetic predisposition. > > > > Celiac disease is far more common than thought > > Monday, February 10, 2003 > > > > A massive, multi-center study has found that celiac disease is much more > > common in the United States than previously believed. The study, published in > > the 10 February 2003 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine, found that > > one out of every 133 Americans has celiac disease. Since only about one out of > > 4,700 Americans has been diagnosed, this means that 97 percent of cases in > > this country go undetected. > > > > The prevalence is far higher for those considered "at risk." One out of 22 > > people with a first-degree relative has the disease, one out of 39 with a > > second-degree relative, and one out of 56 people with symptoms but no > > diagnosed relative. > > > > "Celiac disease is a much greater problem in the United States than has > > previously been appreciated," write the researchers, who recommend screening > > of those at greatest risk, "to alleviate unnecessary suffering, prevent > > complications and improve the quality of life." > > > > "We hope this study will change the perspective of the health care community > > and that physicians will be more likely to test their patients for celiac > > disease," says Alessio Fasano, MD, the study's principal investigator and > > professor of pediatrics, medicine and physiology at the University of land > > School of Medicine. > > > > "Undetected, untreated celiac disease is a recipe for trouble," says Stefano > > Guandalini, MD, professor of pediatrics and director of the University of > > Chicago Celiac Disease Program. > > > > "When this disease is diagnosed and treated early we can prevent > > complications," says Guandalini, "but there is so little awareness of celiac > > disease in this country, even among physicians, that we often see people only > > after they develop severe problems. For a disease that can usually be treated > > effectively with a modified diet, that's a horrible waste." > > > > Celiac disease is a digestive disorder triggered by the protein gluten, which > > is found in wheat, barley and rye. Gluten can trigger an autoimmune reaction > > in the intestines of genetically susceptible people, which causes a variety of > > gastrointestinal symptoms and prevents the proper absorption of food and > > nutrients, leading to serious health consequences. People with celiac disease, > > however, can lead normal, healthy lives by following a gluten-free diet. > > > > "Gluten is poison to celiac patients," says Fasano. "Avoiding gluten requires > > major lifestyle changes, and it impacts entire families." > > > > Symptoms of celiac disease vary among individuals. Most common are diarrhea, > > constipation and abdominal pain, but "it can be a difficult disease to > > diagnose," adds Fasano, because symptoms can also include weight loss, anemia, > > osteoporosis, lassitude and depression. Sometimes, there are no symptoms. > > > > This new study demonstrates that celiac disease is just as prevalent in the U. > > S. as in Europe, where it is considered common, affecting an estimated one out > > of 130-to-300 people. > > > > "Equal recognition of celiac disease has been frustratingly slow to reach the > > U.S," says Guandalini, who trained in Italy. "In Europe, it typically takes a > > few weeks to go from the first symptoms to a diagnosis. In the U.S., the > > average lag time between onset and diagnosis is 11 years." > > > > "If physicians believe that CD is rare, "note the study authors, "they are > > less likely to test for it." Third-party payers may compound that delay. In > > this study, insurance companies denied payment for an intestinal biopsy (to > > confirm the diagnosis) for 21 percent of the patients who had a positive blood > > test. > > > > This study, the largest ever on the prevalence of celiac disease in the U.S., > > took place over five years and included blood samples from 13,145 adults and > > children from 32 states. > > > > Blood tests were performed for about 9,000 people considered "at-risk" because > > they had relatives with celiac disease, symptoms such as diarrhea, or other > > disorders associated with celiac disease, such as diabetes or anemia. Another > > 4,000 study participants without symptoms or affected relatives were > > considered "not at-risk." > > > > Celiac disease is an autoimmune disease, like type-1 diabetes or rheumatoid > > arthritis. Many scientists are beginning to suspect that celiac disease may > > "set the stage" for other autoimmune disorders, says Guandalini. "People who > > are diagnosed late or who continue to eat gluten have a higher prevalence of > > autoimmune diseases," he adds. > > > > For someone to develop an autoimmune disease, explains Fasano, they must have > > a genetic predisposition and an environmental trigger. "Celiac disease is the > > only autoimmune disease where that trigger is known." > > > > Today's study supports the case for screening for celiac disease. There is an > > accurate blood test that costs about $80. > > > > "We are not ready to test the general population," says Guandalini, "but it > > now makes sense to screen those at risk: anyone with a close relative, > > children with gastrointestinal problems suggesting celiac disease or related > > conditions such as type-1 diabetes, short stature or Down syndrome, and adults > > with symptoms or with disorders that are associated with celiac disease, such > > as anemia, osteoporosis or infertility. > > > > The centers involved in this study include the University of land, > > University of Chicago, Columbia, Wake Forest, Marshall University, Children's > > Hospital of Los Angeles, Mayo Clinic and the Instituto per l'Infanzia Burlo > > Garofalo, Trieste, Italy. This study was funded by a grant from Istituto Di > > Ricerca C. C. S. Burlo Garafolo, and by many celiac patients, their families > > and friends. > > > > The University of Chicago Medical Center > > Office of Public Affairs > > 5841 S. land Avenue, MC6063 > > Chicago, IL 60637 > > Phone (773) 702-6241 Fax (773) 702-3171 > > > > > > * Celiac Disease Program > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/specialties/celiac/index.php> > > * Stefano Guandalini, MD > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/physicians/stefano-guandalini.php> > > * Archives of Internal Medicine <http://archinte.ama-assn.org/> > > > > Easton > > (773) 702-6241 > > john.easton@ uchospitals.edu <mailto:john.easton@...> > > > > > > > > Notice of Privacy Practices > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/visitor/privacy/notice.php> | Legal Disclaimer > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/visitor/privacy/disclaimer.php> | Contact Us > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/contact/index.php> | Site Map > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/site-map.php> > > > > Call HealthLink toll-free at 1-888-UCH-0200. Copyright © 2005 University of > > Chicago Hospitals. All rights reserved. > > > > The University of Chicago Hospitals | 5841 S. land Avenue | > > Chicago, IL 60637 > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care > > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > > happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the Celiac info . . . I'm forwarding it to

the SiliconeKids group . . .

I'm sure it will give some of the parents something to

consider.

Love,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene, and I havent forgotten, I will subscribe to the kids group, once our new internet provider is set up . We'll be with DSL, so Ill have to rejoin here as well. Thx

>From: Rogene S <saxony01@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: celiac disease trigger needed -- >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:40:11 -0700 (PDT) > > >, > >Thanks for the Celiac info . . . I'm forwarding it to >the SiliconeKids group . . . > >I'm sure it will give some of the parents something to >consider. > >Love, > >Rogene > > > > >

[Guest guest]

We aren’t going to agree, no where have I read that an “environmental” trigger is “necessary”, including the information you have provided. The information from specialists and books I have read state that many people with celiac disease have had a trigger such as an illness or surgery but that one is not NECESSARY. In proof of that, my daughter had no trigger other than gluten, no surgeries and no illnesses.

You know your body better than anyone else, I am not disputing the issues that you have or why you have them, that would be foolish on my part. I have never met you and I am not a doctor. The reason you have diseases or how they manifest is not the same for every patient and there is no golden rule by which to follow.

If you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest we take it privately.

Kenda

Kenda, no I am not mistaken, the " trigger " is an envirnmental trigger, which numerous studies make examples such as viral infection or surgery. Do a search. I also sent another post on this. I want to set this straight to all the women on this site, that this is the only disease known to need an envornmental trigger to set it off, which then can also be implants, or infections casued by them, or toxic poisoning. This can be what triggered it in me. I said " can "

The environmental trigger that begins the process is not gluten itself, gluten is merely what the body then reacts to, or is suspeptable to. To understand it, environmental triggers such as surgeries or viral infections, bring out a genetic suseptabilty to gluten intolerance or celiac disease, making the body senstive to gluten. Of course I know what tests are needed to rule it in, as well as for my son, I have been there. Done it. We are diagnosed celiac's. Of course, I have gotten better off gluten products, I have had to go this route now that I am showing an auto immnue response to it. The question I merely brought up- is the response triggered by implants causing a overeactive system in some individulas? I have tried to explain this, and dont want to argue with you on this. But envonmental trigger means-surgery or illness, or stress that brings on the disease. Reread. Or specifically ask your doctor. " What is an environmental trigger? "

I was merely trying to help as I have done on this site for years. I didnt think I would be argued with by saying my implants, that were moldy and 9 years old " could have triggered this " , this is exactly what this site if for, is for information about our illnesses, to keep an open mind, as many of our docs will never do, and not to discredit our questions, Or new findings, as I have been told. I'll go with the top celiac specialist in the country on this one, that believes the implants triggered this in both me an my son, as it fits envirnmental trigger " criteria "

>From one artilce_

" Celiac disease--also called sprue, nontropical sprue, gluten sensitive enteropathy, celiac sprue, and adult celiac disease--may be discovered at any age. Researchers believe that a combination of genetic and environmental factors trigger the disease. Environmental events that may provoke celiac disease in those with a genetic predisposition to the disorder include surgery or a viral infection. "

another-

CAUSES

The symptoms of celiac disease (such as diarrhea, weight loss, and abdominal bloating) are caused by eating foods that contain gluten. Why eating gluten triggers symptoms of celiac disease in some people is though to be related to:

Genetics: Celiac disease may be inherited. Current research indicates celiac disease is strongly associated with a group of genes on Chromosome 6. These genes (HLA class II antigens) are involved in the regulation of the body's immune response to the gluten protein fractions.

Occurs more often in genetically susceptible Caucasians. Is rare in blacks, Japanese, and Chinese. Occurs at the same rate in male and female children. In adults, the disease is found twice as often in females than males. Occurs more often (about 5-15%) in first-degree relatives (brothers, sisters, parents, sons, daughters) of people who have the disease. In 70% of identical twin pairs, both twins have the disease. It is suggested that family members be tested for celiac disease.

Immune System Problems: Problems with a person's immune system may increase the likelihood that eating gluten will trigger an immune reaction. This immune reaction may damage the lining of the small intestine, leading to symptoms of celiac disease.

IMMUNE SYSTEM OVERVIEW:

The immune system is the body's natural defense system. A health immune system recognizes foreign substances, such as bacteria and viruses, as being different from body tissues. It then attacks and destroys them. When working properly, the immune system allows the body to fight off infections.

The immune system is also responsible for allergic reactions and allergies, which may occur when the immune system overreacts to a substance called an allergen (such as pollen, mold, chemicals, plants, and medications).

The body's immune system consists of:

Special proteins called antibodies. Antibodies attach themselves to foreign substances, such as bacteria or viruses, and allow other immune system cells to attack and destroy them.

Special types of white blood cells produced by the lymphatic, or lymph, system. When the body is fighting an infection, the lymph nodes may swell or become hard or tender.

Many chemicals and proteins that help kill bacteria or viruses or remove unknown substances from the blood or tissues.

The health of the immune system can be affected by many factors, including age, medications, and medical conditions. If the immune system is weakened or impaired by disease or medications, the person will be at higher risk for infections.

Sometimes the body responds to its own tissues as if they were foreign substances. This is called autoimmune response.

Environment: Agents, such as bacteria, may play a role in triggering celiac disease in susceptible people who eat gluten. A virus that causes upper respiratory and stomach illness may also trigger celiac disease in people who are prone to developing the disease.

Another srticle-

The exact cause of celiac disease is unknown. The development of celiac disease requires a genetically predisposed person to be eating wheat, rye, oats or barley. Even if these two factors are present, celiac disease may not develop until a " trigger factor " starts the abnormal immune system response. Sometimes, a viral illness appears to be that " trigger. " Celiac disease causes the intestine‚s villi to become flattened and lose the ability to absorb nutrients. Weight loss, anemia and vitamin deficiencies may occur as a result of the malabsorption (inadequate absorption of nutrients from the intestinal tract). After exposure to gluten, intestinal damage may develop within a few months or may be postponed for several years.

>From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: celiac disease trigger needed -- yes and it is gluten >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:12:26 -0500 > >, > >The environmental trigger is gluten, which is what I said in my previous >email, not an unknown trigger such as silicone. You eliminate gluten, you >eliminate the damage done by Celiac Disease. Very few people do not respond >positively to the CD diet. You need to test positive for CD and react to >gluten to be a Celiac with symptoms. Asymptomatic celiacs do not react to >gluten. A lot of people with immune problems have more than one disease but >Celiac Disease is caused by gluten. > >There are two different ways to diagnose CD and there is a lot of debate >about the efficacy of both. The gluten antibody test can predict one’s >tendency toward CD but is not considered conclusive in itself. A biopsy of >the intestine is needed for a definitive diagnosis. People are often >misdiagnosed as having CD when what they really have is an intolerance to >gluten, which is not the same thing. > >I highlighted the areas in blue that refer to triggers. If you reread them, >you will see that they are referring to the trigger as gluten. > >Kenda > > > > Read lower: Paragraph 16- " Celiac disease is the only auto immnue disease > > where a trigger is known " you must have both an envionmental trigger as well > > as a genetic predisposition. > > > > Celiac disease is far more common than thought > > Monday, February 10, 2003 > > > > A massive, multi-center study has found that celiac disease is much more > > common in the United States than previously believed. The study, published in > > the 10 February 2003 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine, found that > > one out of every 133 Americans has celiac disease. Since only about one out of > > 4,700 Americans has been diagnosed, this means that 97 percent of cases in > > this country go undetected. > > > > The prevalence is far higher for those considered " at risk. " One out of 22 > > people with a first-degree relative has the disease, one out of 39 with a > > second-degree relative, and one out of 56 people with symptoms but no > > diagnosed relative. > > > > " Celiac disease is a much greater problem in the United States than has > > previously been appreciated, " write the researchers, who recommend screening > > of those at greatest risk, " to alleviate unnecessary suffering, prevent > > complications and improve the quality of life. " > > > > " We hope this study will change the perspective of the health care community > > and that physicians will be more likely to test their patients for celiac > > disease, " says Alessio Fasano, MD, the study's principal investigator and > > professor of pediatrics, medicine and physiology at the University of land > > School of Medicine. > > > > " Undetected, untreated celiac disease is a recipe for trouble, " says Stefano > > Guandalini, MD, professor of pediatrics and director of the University of > > Chicago Celiac Disease Program. > > > > " When this disease is diagnosed and treated early we can prevent > > complications, " says Guandalini, " but there is so little awareness of celiac > > disease in this country, even among physicians, that we often see people only > > after they develop severe problems. For a disease that can usually be treated > > effectively with a modified diet, that's a horrible waste. " > > > > Celiac disease is a digestive disorder triggered by the protein gluten, which > > is found in wheat, barley and rye. Gluten can trigger an autoimmune reaction > > in the intestines of genetically susceptible people, which causes a variety of > > gastrointestinal symptoms and prevents the proper absorption of food and > > nutrients, leading to serious health consequences. People with celiac disease, > > however, can lead normal, healthy lives by following a gluten-free diet. > > > > " Gluten is poison to celiac patients, " says Fasano. " Avoiding gluten requires > > major lifestyle changes, and it impacts entire families. " > > > > Symptoms of celiac disease vary among individuals. Most common are diarrhea, > > constipation and abdominal pain, but " it can be a difficult disease to > > diagnose, " adds Fasano, because symptoms can also include weight loss, anemia, > > osteoporosis, lassitude and depression. Sometimes, there are no symptoms. > > > > This new study demonstrates that celiac disease is just as prevalent in the U. > > S. as in Europe, where it is considered common, affecting an estimated one out > > of 130-to-300 people. > > > > " Equal recognition of celiac disease has been frustratingly slow to reach the > > U.S, " says Guandalini, who trained in Italy. " In Europe, it typically takes a > > few weeks to go from the first symptoms to a diagnosis. In the U.S., the > > average lag time between onset and diagnosis is 11 years. " > > > > " If physicians believe that CD is rare, " note the study authors, " they are > > less likely to test for it. " Third-party payers may compound that delay. In > > this study, insurance companies denied payment for an intestinal biopsy (to > > confirm the diagnosis) for 21 percent of the patients who had a positive blood > > test. > > > > This study, the largest ever on the prevalence of celiac disease in the U.S., > > took place over five years and included blood samples from 13,145 adults and > > children from 32 states. > > > > Blood tests were performed for about 9,000 people considered " at-risk " because > > they had relatives with celiac disease, symptoms such as diarrhea, or other > > disorders associated with celiac disease, such as diabetes or anemia. Another > > 4,000 study participants without symptoms or affected relatives were > > considered " not at-risk. " > > > > Celiac disease is an autoimmune disease, like type-1 diabetes or rheumatoid > > arthritis. Many scientists are beginning to suspect that celiac disease may > > " set the stage " for other autoimmune disorders, says Guandalini. " People who > > are diagnosed late or who continue to eat gluten have a higher prevalence of > > autoimmune diseases, " he adds. > > > > For someone to develop an autoimmune disease, explains Fasano, they must have > > a genetic predisposition and an environmental trigger. " Celiac disease is the > > only autoimmune disease where that trigger is known. " > > > > Today's study supports the case for screening for celiac disease. There is an > > accurate blood test that costs about $80. > > > > " We are not ready to test the general population, " says Guandalini, " but it > > now makes sense to screen those at risk: anyone with a close relative, > > children with gastrointestinal problems suggesting celiac disease or related > > conditions such as type-1 diabetes, short stature or Down syndrome, and adults > > with symptoms or with disorders that are associated with celiac disease, such > > as anemia, osteoporosis or infertility. > > > > The centers involved in this study include the University of land, > > University of Chicago, Columbia, Wake Forest, Marshall University, Children's > > Hospital of Los Angeles, Mayo Clinic and the Instituto per l'Infanzia Burlo > > Garofalo, Trieste, Italy. This study was funded by a grant from Istituto Di > > Ricerca C. C. S. Burlo Garafolo, and by many celiac patients, their families > > and friends. > > > > The University of Chicago Medical Center > > Office of Public Affairs > > 5841 S. land Avenue, MC6063 > > Chicago, IL 60637 > > Phone (773) 702-6241 Fax (773) 702-3171 > > > > > > * Celiac Disease Program > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/specialties/celiac/index.php> > > * Stefano Guandalini, MD > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/physicians/stefano-guandalini.php> > > * Archives of Internal Medicine <http://archinte.ama-assn.org/> > > > > Easton > > (773) 702-6241 > > john.easton@ uchospitals.edu <mailto:john.easton@...> > > > > > > > > Notice of Privacy Practices > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/visitor/privacy/notice.php> | Legal Disclaimer > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/visitor/privacy/disclaimer.php> | Contact Us > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/contact/index.php> | Site Map > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/site-map.php> > > > > Call HealthLink toll-free at 1-888-UCH-0200. Copyright © 2005 University of > > Chicago Hospitals. All rights reserved. > > > > The University of Chicago Hospitals | 5841 S. land Avenue | > > Chicago, IL 60637 > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care > > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >

[Guest guest]

And absolutely no exposure to toxins, such as pesticides, food additives,

food colorings, lawn spray, fabric softener, laundry detergents, household

cleaners, air pollution, car exhaust, etc.??????????????

We kid ourselves if we think we have not had exposure to toxins. And some

are just extremely sensitive and it affects them a lot more.

Lynda

At 08:32 AM 4/13/2005, you wrote:

>We aren’t going to agree, no where have I read that an “environmental”

>trigger is “necessary”, including the information you have provided. The

>information from specialists and books I have read state that many people

>with celiac disease have had a trigger such as an illness or surgery but

>that one is not NECESSARY. In proof of that, my daughter had no trigger

>other than gluten, no surgeries and no illnesses.

>

>You know your body better than anyone else, I am not disputing the issues

>that you have or why you have them, that would be foolish on my part. I

>have never met you and I am not a doctor. The reason you have diseases or

>how they manifest is not the same for every patient and there is no golden

>rule by which to follow.

>

>If you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest we take it privately.

>

>Kenda

>

>

>Kenda, no I am not mistaken, the " trigger " is an envirnmental trigger,

>which numerous studies make examples such as viral infection or surgery.

>Do a search. I also sent another post on this. I want to set this straight

>to all the women on this site, that this is the only disease known to

>need an envornmental trigger to set it off, which then can also be

>implants, or infections casued by them, or toxic poisoning. This can be

>what triggered it in me. I said " can "

>

>The environmental trigger that begins the process is not gluten itself,

>gluten is merely what the body then reacts to, or is suspeptable to. To

>understand it, environmental triggers such as surgeries or viral

>infections, bring out a genetic suseptabilty to gluten intolerance or

>celiac disease, making the body senstive to gluten. Of course I know what

>tests are needed to rule it in, as well as for my son, I have been there.

>Done it. We are diagnosed celiac's. Of course, I have gotten better off

>gluten products, I have had to go this route now that I am showing an auto

>immnue response to it. The question I merely brought up- is the response

>triggered by implants causing a overeactive system in some individulas? I

>have tried to explain this, and dont want to argue with you on this. But

>envonmental trigger means-surgery or illness, or stress that brings on the

>disease. Reread. Or specifically ask your doctor. " What is an

>environmental trigger? "

>

> I was merely trying to help as I have done on this site for years. I

> didnt think I would be argued with by saying my implants, that were moldy

> and 9 years old " could have triggered this " , this is exactly what this

> site if for, is for information about our illnesses, to keep an open

> mind, as many of our docs will never do, and not to discredit our

> questions, Or new findings, as I have been told. I'll go with the top

> celiac specialist in the country on this one, that believes the implants

> triggered this in both me an my son, as it fits envirnmental trigger

> " criteria "

>

> >From one artilce_

> " Celiac disease--also called sprue, nontropical sprue, gluten sensitive

>enteropathy, celiac sprue, and adult celiac disease--may be discovered at

>any age. Researchers believe that a combination of genetic and

>environmental factors trigger the disease. Environmental events that may

>provoke celiac disease in those with a genetic predisposition to the

>disorder include surgery or a viral infection. "

>

>

>another-

>

>CAUSES

>

>The symptoms of celiac disease (such as diarrhea, weight loss, and

>abdominal bloating) are caused by eating foods that contain gluten. Why

>eating gluten triggers symptoms of celiac disease in some people is though

>to be related to:

>

>Genetics: Celiac disease may be inherited. Current research indicates

>celiac disease is strongly associated with a group of genes on Chromosome

>6. These genes (HLA class II antigens) are involved in the regulation of

>the body's immune response to the gluten protein fractions.

>Occurs more often in genetically susceptible Caucasians.

>Is rare in blacks, Japanese, and Chinese.

>Occurs at the same rate in male and female children.

>In adults, the disease is found twice as often in females than males.

>Occurs more often (about 5-15%) in first-degree relatives (brothers,

>sisters, parents, sons, daughters) of people who have the disease. In 70%

>of identical twin pairs, both twins have the disease. It is suggested that

>family members be tested for celiac disease.

>Immune System Problems: Problems with a person's immune system may

>increase the likelihood that eating gluten will trigger an immune

>reaction. This immune reaction may damage the lining of the small

>intestine, leading to symptoms of celiac disease.

>

>IMMUNE SYSTEM OVERVIEW:

>

>The immune system is the body's natural defense system. A health immune

>system recognizes foreign substances, such as bacteria and viruses, as

>being different from body tissues. It then attacks and destroys them. When

>working properly, the immune system allows the body to fight off infections.

>

>The immune system is also responsible for allergic reactions and

>allergies, which may occur when the immune system overreacts to a

>substance called an allergen (such as pollen, mold, chemicals, plants, and

>medications).

>

>The body's immune system consists of:

>

>Special proteins called antibodies. Antibodies attach themselves to

>foreign substances, such as bacteria or viruses, and allow other immune

>system cells to attack and destroy them.

>Special types of white blood cells produced by the lymphatic, or lymph,

>system. When the body is fighting an infection, the lymph nodes may swell

>or become hard or tender.

>Many chemicals and proteins that help kill bacteria or viruses or remove

>unknown substances from the blood or tissues.

>The health of the immune system can be affected by many factors, including

>age, medications, and medical conditions. If the immune system is weakened

>or impaired by disease or medications, the person will be at higher risk

>for infections.

>

>Sometimes the body responds to its own tissues as if they were foreign

>substances. This is called autoimmune response.

>

>

>Environment: Agents, such as bacteria, may play a role in triggering

>celiac disease in susceptible people who eat gluten. A virus that causes

>upper respiratory and stomach illness may also trigger celiac disease in

>people who are prone to developing the disease.

>

>

>Another srticle-

>

>The exact cause of celiac disease is unknown. The development of celiac

>disease requires a genetically predisposed person to be eating wheat, rye,

>oats or barley. Even if these two factors are present, celiac disease may

>not develop until a " trigger factor " starts the abnormal immune system

>response. Sometimes, a viral illness appears to be that

> " trigger. " Celiac disease causes the intestine‚s villi to become

>flattened and lose the ability to absorb nutrients. Weight loss, anemia

>and vitamin deficiencies may occur as a result of the malabsorption

>(inadequate absorption of nutrients from the intestinal tract). After

>exposure to gluten, intestinal damage may develop within a few months or

>may be postponed for several years.

>

>

>

> >From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply-To:

> >To:

> < > >Subject: Re: celiac

> disease trigger needed -- yes and it is gluten >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005

> 22:12:26 -0500 > >, > >The environmental trigger is gluten, which is

> what I said in my previous >email, not an unknown trigger such as

> silicone. You eliminate gluten, you >eliminate the damage done by Celiac

> Disease. Very few people do not respond >positively to the CD diet. You

> need to test positive for CD and react to >gluten to be a Celiac with

> symptoms. Asymptomatic celiacs do not react to >gluten. A lot of people

> with immune problems have more than one disease but >Celiac Disease is

> caused by gluten. > >There are two different ways to diagnose CD and

> there is a lot of debate >about the efficacy of both. The gluten antibody

> test can predict one’s >tendency toward CD but is not considered

> conclusive in itself. A biopsy of >the intestine is needed for a

> definitive diagnosis. People are often >misdiagnosed as having CD when

> what they really have is an intolerance to >gluten, which is not the same

> thing. > >I highlighted the areas in blue that refer to triggers. If you

> reread them, >you will see that they are referring to the trigger as

> gluten. > >Kenda > > > > Read lower: Paragraph 16- " Celiac disease is the

> only auto immnue disease > > where a trigger is known " you must have

> both an envionmental trigger as well > > as a genetic predisposition.

> > > > > Celiac disease is far more common than thought > > Monday,

> February 10, 2003 > > > > A massive, multi-center study has found that

> celiac disease is much more > > common in the United States than

> previously believed. The study, published in > > the 10 February 2003

> issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine, found that > > one out of

> every 133 Americans has celiac disease. Since only about one out of > >

> 4,700 Americans has been diagnosed, this means that 97 percent of cases

> in > > this country go undetected. > > > > The prevalence is far higher

> for those considered " at risk. " One out of 22 > > people with a

> first-degree relative has the disease, one out of 39 with a > >

> second-degree relative, and one out of 56 people with symptoms but no > >

> diagnosed relative. > > > > " Celiac disease is a much greater problem in

> the United States than has > > previously been appreciated, " write the

> researchers, who recommend screening > > of those at greatest risk, " to

> alleviate unnecessary suffering, prevent > > complications and improve

> the quality of life. " > > > > " We hope this study will change the

> perspective of the health care community > > and that physicians will be more

l

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kenda, No thank you. We argued enough here.

>From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: celiac disease trigger needed -- >Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:32:11 -0500 > >We aren’t going to agree, no where have I read that an “environmental†>trigger is “necessaryâ€, including the information you have provided. The >information from specialists and books I have read state that many people >with celiac disease have had a trigger such as an illness or surgery but >that one is not NECESSARY. In proof of that, my daughter had no trigger >other than gluten, no surgeries and no illnesses. > >You know your body better than anyone else, I am not disputing the issues >that you have or why you have them, that would be foolish on my part. I >have never met you and I am not a doctor. The reason you have diseases or >how they manifest is not the same for every patient and there is no golden >rule by which to follow. > >If you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest we take it privately. > >Kenda > > > > Kenda, no I am not mistaken, the "trigger" is an envirnmental trigger, which > > numerous studies make examples such as viral infection or surgery. Do a > > search. I also sent another post on this. I want to set this straight to all > > the women on this site, that this is the only disease known to need an > > envornmental trigger to set it off, which then can also be implants, or > > infections casued by them, or toxic poisoning. This can be what triggered it > > in me. I said "can" > > > > The environmental trigger that begins the process is not gluten itself, gluten > > is merely what the body then reacts to, or is suspeptable to. To understand > > it, environmental triggers such as surgeries or viral infections, bring out a > > genetic suseptabilty to gluten intolerance or celiac disease, making the body > > senstive to gluten. Of course I know what tests are needed to rule it in, as > > well as for my son, I have been there. Done it. We are diagnosed celiac's. Of > > course, I have gotten better off gluten products, I have had to go this route > > now that I am showing an auto immnue response to it. The question I merely > > brought up- is the response triggered by implants causing a overeactive system > > in some individulas? I have tried to explain this, and dont want to argue > > with you on this. But envonmental trigger means-surgery or illness, or stress > > that brings on the disease. Reread. Or specifically ask your doctor. "What is > > an environmental trigger?" > > > > I was merely trying to help as I have done on this site for years. I didnt > > think I would be argued with by saying my implants, that were moldy and 9 > > years old "could have triggered this", this is exactly what this site if for, > > is for information about our illnesses, to keep an open mind, as many of our > > docs will never do, and not to discredit our questions, Or new findings, as I > > have been told. I'll go with the top celiac specialist in the country on this > > one, that believes the implants triggered this in both me an my son, as it > > fits envirnmental trigger "criteria" > > > > From one artilce_ > > "Celiac disease--also called sprue, nontropical sprue, gluten sensitive > > enteropathy, celiac sprue, and adult celiac disease--may be discovered at any > > age. Researchers believe that a combination of genetic and environmental > > factors trigger the disease. Environmental events that may provoke celiac > > disease in those with a genetic predisposition to the disorder include surgery > > or a viral infection." > > > > > > another- > > > > CAUSES > > > > The symptoms of celiac disease (such as diarrhea, weight loss, and abdominal > > bloating) are caused by eating foods that contain gluten. Why eating gluten > > triggers symptoms of celiac disease in some people is though to be related to: > > > > Genetics: Celiac disease may be inherited. Current research indicates celiac > > disease is strongly associated with a group of genes on Chromosome 6. These > > genes (HLA class II antigens) are involved in the regulation of the body's > > immune response to the gluten protein fractions. > > * Occurs more often in genetically susceptible Caucasians. > > * Is rare in blacks, Japanese, and Chinese. > > * Occurs at the same rate in male and female children. > > * In adults, the disease is found twice as often in females than males. > > * Occurs more often (about 5-15%) in first-degree relatives (brothers, > > sisters, parents, sons, daughters) of people who have the disease. In 70% of > > identical twin pairs, both twins have the disease. It is suggested that family > > members be tested for celiac disease. > > Immune System Problems: Problems with a person's immune system may increase > > the likelihood that eating gluten will trigger an immune reaction. This immune > > reaction may damage the lining of the small intestine, leading to symptoms of > > celiac disease. > > > >> IMMUNE SYSTEM OVERVIEW: > >> > >> The immune system is the body's natural defense system. A health immune > >> system recognizes foreign substances, such as bacteria and viruses, as being > >> different from body tissues. It then attacks and destroys them. When working > >> properly, the immune system allows the body to fight off infections. > >> > >> The immune system is also responsible for allergic reactions and allergies, > >> which may occur when the immune system overreacts to a substance called an > >> allergen (such as pollen, mold, chemicals, plants, and medications). > >> > >> The body's immune system consists of: > >> > >> * Special proteins called antibodies. Antibodies attach themselves to foreign > >> substances, such as bacteria or viruses, and allow other immune system cells > >> to attack and destroy them. > >> * > >> * > >> * Special types of white blood cells produced by the lymphatic, or lymph, > >> system. When the body is fighting an infection, the lymph nodes may swell or > >> become hard or tender. > >> * > >> * > >> * Many chemicals and proteins that help kill bacteria or viruses or remove > >> unknown substances from the blood or tissues. > >> The health of the immune system can be affected by many factors, including > >> age, medications, and medical conditions. If the immune system is weakened or > >> impaired by disease or medications, the person will be at higher risk for > >> infections. > >> > >> Sometimes the body responds to its own tissues as if they were foreign > >> substances. This is called autoimmune response. > > > > Environment: Agents, such as bacteria, may play a role in triggering celiac > > disease in susceptible people who eat gluten. A virus that causes upper > > respiratory and stomach illness may also trigger celiac disease in people who > > are prone to developing the disease. > > > > > > Another srticle- > > > > The exact cause of celiac disease is unknown. The development of celiac > > disease requires a genetically predisposed person to be eating wheat, rye, > > oats or barley. Even if these two factors are present, celiac disease may not > > develop until a "trigger factor" starts the abnormal immune system response. > > Sometimes, a viral illness appears to be that "trigger." Celiac disease > > causes the intestine‚s villi to become flattened and lose the ability to > > absorb nutrients. Weight loss, anemia and vitamin deficiencies may occur as a > > result of the malabsorption (inadequate absorption of nutrients from the > > intestinal tract). After exposure to gluten, intestinal damage may develop > > within a few months or may be postponed for several years. > > > > > > > >> >From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply-> >> >< > >Subject: > >> Re: celiac disease trigger needed -- yes and it is gluten > >> >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:12:26 -0500 > >, > >The environmental trigger > >> is gluten, which is what I said in my previous >email, not an unknown trigger > >> such as silicone. You eliminate gluten, you >eliminate the damage done by > >> Celiac Disease. Very few people do not respond >positively to the CD diet. > >> You need to test positive for CD and react to >gluten to be a Celiac with > >> symptoms. Asymptomatic celiacs do not react to >gluten. A lot of people with > >> immune problems have more than one disease but >Celiac Disease is caused by > >> gluten. > >There are two different ways to diagnose CD and there is a lot of > >> debate >about the efficacy of both. The gluten antibody test can predict > >> one’s >tendency toward CD but is not considered conclusive in itself. A > >> biopsy of >the intestine is needed for a definitive diagnosis. People are > >> often >misdiagnosed as having CD when what they really have is an intolerance > >> to >gluten, which is not the same thing. > >I highlighted the areas in blue > >> that refer to triggers. If you reread them, >you will see that they are > >> referring to the trigger as gluten. > >Kenda > > > > Read lower: Paragraph > >> 16- "Celiac disease is the only auto immnue disease > > where a trigger is > >> known " you must have both an envionmental trigger as well > > as a genetic > >> predisposition. > > > > Celiac disease is far more common than thought > >> > > Monday, February 10, 2003 > > > > A massive, multi-center study has found > >> that celiac disease is much more > > common in the United States than > >> previously believed. The study, published in > > the 10 February 2003 issue > >> of the Archives of Internal Medicine, found that > > one out of every 133 > >> Americans has celiac disease. Since only about one out of > > 4,700 Americans > >> has been diagnosed, this means that 97 percent of cases in > > this country > >> go undetected. > > > > The prevalence is far higher for those considered "at > >> risk." One out of 22 > > people with a first-degree relative has the disease, > >> one out of 39 with a > > second-degree relative, and one out of 56 people > >> with symptoms but no > > diagnosed relative. > > > > "Celiac disease is a > >> much greater problem in the United States than has > > previously been > >> appreciated," write the researchers, who recommend screening > > of those at > >> greatest risk, "to alleviate unnecessary suffering, prevent > > complications > >> and improve the quality of life." > > > > "We hope this study will change the > >> perspective of the health care community > > and that physicians will be more > >> likely to test their patients for celiac > > disease," says Alessio Fasano, > >> MD, the study's principal investigator and > > professor of pediatrics, > >> medicine and physiology at the University of land > > School of Medicine. > >> > > > > "Undetected, untreated celiac disease is a recipe for trouble," says > >> Stefano > > Guandalini, MD, professor of pediatrics and director of the > >> University of > > Chicago Celiac Disease Program. > > > > "When this disease > >> is diagnosed and treated early we can prevent > > complications," says > >> Guandalini, "but there is so little awareness of celiac > > disease in this > >> country, even among physicians, that we often see people only > > after they > >> develop severe problems. For a disease that can usually be treated > > > >> effectively with a modified diet, that's a horrible waste." > > > > Celiac > >> disease is a digestive disorder triggered by the protein gluten, which > > is > >> found in wheat, barley and rye. Gluten can trigger an autoimmune reaction > > > >> in the intestines of genetically susceptible people, which causes a variety > >> of > > gastrointestinal symptoms and prevents the proper absorption of food > >> and > > nutrients, leading to serious health consequences. People with celiac > >> disease, > > however, can lead normal, healthy lives by following a > >> gluten-free diet. > > > > "Gluten is poison to celiac patients," says Fasano. > >> "Avoiding gluten requires > > major lifestyle changes, and it impacts entire > >> families." > > > > Symptoms of celiac disease vary among individuals. Most > >> common are diarrhea, > > constipation and abdominal pain, but "it can be a > >> difficult disease to > > diagnose," adds Fasano, because symptoms can also > >> include weight loss, anemia, > > osteoporosis, lassitude and depression. > >> Sometimes, there are no symptoms. > > > > This new study demonstrates that > >> celiac disease is just as prevalent in the U. > > S. as in Europe, where it > >> is considered common, affecting an estimated one out > > of 130-to-300 > >> people. > > > > "Equal recognition of celiac disease has been frustratingly > >> slow to reach the > > U.S," says Guandalini, who trained in Italy. "In > >> Europe, it typically takes a > > few weeks to go from the first symptoms to a > >> diagnosis. In the U.S., the > > average lag time between onset and diagnosis > >> is 11 years." > > > > "If physicians believe that CD is rare, "note the study > >> authors, "they are > > less likely to test for it." Third-party payers may > >> compound that delay. In > > this study, insurance companies denied payment > >> for an intestinal biopsy (to > > confirm the diagnosis) for 21 percent of the > >> patients who had a positive blood > > test. > > > > This study, the largest > >> ever on the prevalence of celiac disease in the U.S., > > took place over > >> five years and included blood samples from 13,145 adults and > > children > >> from 32 states. > > > > Blood tests were performed for about 9,000 people > >> considered "at-risk" because > > they had relatives with celiac disease, > >> symptoms such as diarrhea, or other > > disorders associated with celiac > >> disease, such as diabetes or anemia. Another > > 4,000 study participants > >> without symptoms or affected relatives were > > considered "not at-risk." > > > >> > > Celiac disease is an autoimmune disease, like type-1 diabetes or > >> rheumatoid > > arthritis. Many scientists are beginning to suspect that > >> celiac disease may > > "set the stage" for other autoimmune disorders, says > >> Guandalini. "People who > > are diagnosed late or who continue to eat gluten > >> have a higher prevalence of > > autoimmune diseases," he adds. > > > > For > >> someone to develop an autoimmune disease, explains Fasano, they must have > > > >> a genetic predisposition and an environmental trigger. "Celiac disease is the > >> > > only autoimmune disease where that trigger is known." > > > > Today's > >> study supports the case for screening for celiac disease. There is an > > > >> accurate blood test that costs about $80. > > > > "We are not ready to test > >> the general population," says Guandalini, "but it > > now makes sense to > >> screen those at risk: anyone with a close relative, > > children with > >> gastrointestinal problems suggesting celiac disease or related > > conditions > >> such as type-1 diabetes, short stature or Down syndrome, and adults > > with > >> symptoms or with disorders that are associated with celiac disease, such > > > >> as anemia, osteoporosis or infertility. > > > > The centers involved in this > >> study include the University of land, > > University of Chicago, > >> Columbia, Wake Forest, Marshall University, Children's > > Hospital of Los > >> Angeles, Mayo Clinic and the Instituto per l'Infanzia Burlo > > Garofalo, > >> Trieste, Italy. This study was funded by a grant from Istituto Di > > Ricerca > >> C. C. S. 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Lynda, Im not kidding myself-I never said I havent been exposed to toxins, or laundry detergent, I was speaking about the chronic onset of celiac disease after getting implants.

>From: Lynda <coss@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: celiac disease trigger needed -- >Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:15:33 -0600 > > >And absolutely no exposure to toxins, such as pesticides, food additives, >food colorings, lawn spray, fabric softener, laundry detergents, household >cleaners, air pollution, car exhaust, etc.?????????????? > >We kid ourselves if we think we have not had exposure to toxins. And some >are just extremely sensitive and it affects them a lot more. > >Lynda > > >At 08:32 AM 4/13/2005, you wrote: > >We aren’t going to agree, no where have I read that an “environmental” > >trigger is “necessary”, including the information you have provided. The > >information from specialists and books I have read state that many people > >with celiac disease have had a trigger such as an illness or surgery but > >that one is not NECESSARY. In proof of that, my daughter had no trigger > >other than gluten, no surgeries and no illnesses. > > > >You know your body better than anyone else, I am not disputing the issues > >that you have or why you have them, that would be foolish on my part. I > >have never met you and I am not a doctor. The reason you have diseases or > >how they manifest is not the same for every patient and there is no golden > >rule by which to follow. > > > >If you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest we take it privately. > > > >Kenda > > > > > >Kenda, no I am not mistaken, the "trigger" is an envirnmental trigger, > >which numerous studies make examples such as viral infection or surgery. > >Do a search. I also sent another post on this. I want to set this straight > >to all the women on this site, that this is the only disease known to > >need an envornmental trigger to set it off, which then can also be > >implants, or infections casued by them, or toxic poisoning. This can be > >what triggered it in me. I said "can" > > > >The environmental trigger that begins the process is not gluten itself, > >gluten is merely what the body then reacts to, or is suspeptable to. To > >understand it, environmental triggers such as surgeries or viral > >infections, bring out a genetic suseptabilty to gluten intolerance or > >celiac disease, making the body senstive to gluten. Of course I know what > >tests are needed to rule it in, as well as for my son, I have been there. > >Done it. We are diagnosed celiac's. Of course, I have gotten better off > >gluten products, I have had to go this route now that I am showing an auto > >immnue response to it. The question I merely brought up- is the response > >triggered by implants causing a overeactive system in some individulas? I > >have tried to explain this, and dont want to argue with you on this. But > >envonmental trigger means-surgery or illness, or stress that brings on the > >disease. Reread. Or specifically ask your doctor. "What is an > >environmental trigger?" > > > > I was merely trying to help as I have done on this site for years. I > > didnt think I would be argued with by saying my implants, that were moldy > > and 9 years old "could have triggered this", this is exactly what this > > site if for, is for information about our illnesses, to keep an open > > mind, as many of our docs will never do, and not to discredit our > > questions, Or new findings, as I have been told. I'll go with the top > > celiac specialist in the country on this one, that believes the implants > > triggered this in both me an my son, as it fits envirnmental trigger > > "criteria" > > > > >From one artilce_ > >"Celiac disease--also called sprue, nontropical sprue, gluten sensitive > >enteropathy, celiac sprue, and adult celiac disease--may be discovered at > >any age. Researchers believe that a combination of genetic and > >environmental factors trigger the disease. Environmental events that may > >provoke celiac disease in those with a genetic predisposition to the > >disorder include surgery or a viral infection." > > > > > >another- > > > >CAUSES > > > >The symptoms of celiac disease (such as diarrhea, weight loss, and > >abdominal bloating) are caused by eating foods that contain gluten. Why > >eating gluten triggers symptoms of celiac disease in some people is though > >to be related to: > > > >Genetics: Celiac disease may be inherited. Current research indicates > >celiac disease is strongly associated with a group of genes on Chromosome > >6. These genes (HLA class II antigens) are involved in the regulation of > >the body's immune response to the gluten protein fractions. > >Occurs more often in genetically susceptible Caucasians. > >Is rare in blacks, Japanese, and Chinese. > >Occurs at the same rate in male and female children. > >In adults, the disease is found twice as often in females than males. > >Occurs more often (about 5-15%) in first-degree relatives (brothers, > >sisters, parents, sons, daughters) of people who have the disease. In 70% > >of identical twin pairs, both twins have the disease. It is suggested that > >family members be tested for celiac disease. > >Immune System Problems: Problems with a person's immune system may > >increase the likelihood that eating gluten will trigger an immune > >reaction. This immune reaction may damage the lining of the small > >intestine, leading to symptoms of celiac disease. > > > >IMMUNE SYSTEM OVERVIEW: > > > >The immune system is the body's natural defense system. A health immune > >system recognizes foreign substances, such as bacteria and viruses, as > >being different from body tissues. It then attacks and destroys them. When > >working properly, the immune system allows the body to fight off infections. > > > >The immune system is also responsible for allergic reactions and > >allergies, which may occur when the immune system overreacts to a > >substance called an allergen (such as pollen, mold, chemicals, plants, and > >medications). > > > >The body's immune system consists of: > > > >Special proteins called antibodies. Antibodies attach themselves to > >foreign substances, such as bacteria or viruses, and allow other immune > >system cells to attack and destroy them. > >Special types of white blood cells produced by the lymphatic, or lymph, > >system. When the body is fighting an infection, the lymph nodes may swell > >or become hard or tender. > >Many chemicals and proteins that help kill bacteria or viruses or remove > >unknown substances from the blood or tissues. > >The health of the immune system can be affected by many factors, including > >age, medications, and medical conditions. If the immune system is weakened > >or impaired by disease or medications, the person will be at higher risk > >for infections. > > > >Sometimes the body responds to its own tissues as if they were foreign > >substances. This is called autoimmune response. > > > > > >Environment: Agents, such as bacteria, may play a role in triggering > >celiac disease in susceptible people who eat gluten. A virus that causes > >upper respiratory and stomach illness may also trigger celiac disease in > >people who are prone to developing the disease. > > > > > >Another srticle- > > > >The exact cause of celiac disease is unknown. The development of celiac > >disease requires a genetically predisposed person to be eating wheat, rye, > >oats or barley. Even if these two factors are present, celiac disease may > >not develop until a "trigger factor" starts the abnormal immune system > >response. Sometimes, a viral illness appears to be that > >"trigger." Celiac disease causes the intestine‚s villi to become > >flattened and lose the ability to absorb nutrients. Weight loss, anemia > >and vitamin deficiencies may occur as a result of the malabsorption > >(inadequate absorption of nutrients from the intestinal tract). After > >exposure to gluten, intestinal damage may develop within a few months or > >may be postponed for several years. > > > > > > > > >From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply-> > >> > < > >Subject: Re: celiac > > disease trigger needed -- yes and it is gluten >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 > > 22:12:26 -0500 > >, > >The environmental trigger is gluten, which is > > what I said in my previous >email, not an unknown trigger such as > > silicone. You eliminate gluten, you >eliminate the damage done by Celiac > > Disease. Very few people do not respond >positively to the CD diet. You > > need to test positive for CD and react to >gluten to be a Celiac with > > symptoms. Asymptomatic celiacs do not react to >gluten. A lot of people > > with immune problems have more than one disease but >Celiac Disease is > > caused by gluten. > >There are two different ways to diagnose CD and > > there is a lot of debate >about the efficacy of both. The gluten antibody > > test can predict one’s >tendency toward CD but is not considered > > conclusive in itself. A biopsy of >the intestine is needed for a > > definitive diagnosis. People are often >misdiagnosed as having CD when > > what they really have is an intolerance to >gluten, which is not the same > > thing. > >I highlighted the areas in blue that refer to triggers. If you > > reread them, >you will see that they are referring to the trigger as > > gluten. > >Kenda > > > > Read lower: Paragraph 16- "Celiac disease is the > > only auto immnue disease > > where a trigger is known " you must have > > both an envionmental trigger as well > > as a genetic predisposition. > > > > > > Celiac disease is far more common than thought > > Monday, > > February 10, 2003 > > > > A massive, multi-center study has found that > > celiac disease is much more > > common in the United States than > > previously believed. The study, published in > > the 10 February 2003 > > issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine, found that > > one out of > > every 133 Americans has celiac disease. Since only about one out of > > > > 4,700 Americans has been diagnosed, this means that 97 percent of cases > > in > > this country go undetected. > > > > The prevalence is far higher > > for those considered "at risk." One out of 22 > > people with a > > first-degree relative has the disease, one out of 39 with a > > > > second-degree relative, and one out of 56 people with symptoms but no > > > > diagnosed relative. > > > > "Celiac disease is a much greater problem in > > the United States than has > > previously been appreciated," write the > > researchers, who recommend screening > > of those at greatest risk, "to > > alleviate unnecessary suffering, prevent > > complications and improve > > the quality of life." > > > > "We hope this study will change the > > perspective of the health care community > > and that physicians will be more l > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > >"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live > >a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >

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,

I’m sorry you view a differing opinion as an argument. We all have our own doctors, healers and research and do what we think is best for us. They call it practicing medicine for a reason, there are no definitive answers for much in the medical profession.

I wish you well,

Kenda

Kenda, No thank you. We argued enough here.

>From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: celiac disease trigger needed -- >Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:32:11 -0500 > >We arenâ•˙t going to agree, no where have I read that an ╲environmental╡ >trigger is ╲necessary╡, including the information you have provided. The >information from specialists and books I have read state that many people >with celiac disease have had a trigger such as an illness or surgery but >that one is not NECESSARY. In proof of that, my daughter had no trigger >other than gluten, no surgeries and no illnesses. > >You know your body better than anyone else, I am not disputing the issues >that you have or why you have them, that would be foolish on my part. I >have never met you and I am not a doctor. The reason you have diseases or >how they manifest is not the same for every patient and there is no golden >rule by which to follow. > >If you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest we take it privately. > >Kenda > > > > Kenda, no I am not mistaken, the " trigger " is an envirnmental trigger, which > > numerous studies make examples such as viral infection or surgery. Do a > > search. I also sent another post on this. I want to set this straight to all > > the women on this site, that this is the only disease known to need an > > envornmental trigger to set it off, which then can also be implants, or > > infections casued by them, or toxic poisoning. This can be what triggered it > > in me. I said " can " > > > > The environmental trigger that begins the process is not gluten itself, gluten > > is merely what the body then reacts to, or is suspeptable to. To understand > > it, environmental triggers such as surgeries or viral infections, bring out a > > genetic suseptabilty to gluten intolerance or celiac disease, making the body > > senstive to gluten. Of course I know what tests are needed to rule it in, as > > well as for my son, I have been there. Done it. We are diagnosed celiac's. Of > > course, I have gotten better off gluten products, I have had to go this route > > now that I am showing an auto immnue response to it. The question I merely > > brought up- is the response triggered by implants causing a overeactive system > > in some individulas? I have tried to explain this, and dont want to argue > > with you on this. But envonmental trigger means-surgery or illness, or stress > > that brings on the disease. Reread. Or specifically ask your doctor. " What is > > an environmental trigger? " > > > > I was merely trying to help as I have done on this site for years. I didnt > > think I would be argued with by saying my implants, that were moldy and 9 > > years old " could have triggered this " , this is exactly what this site if for, > > is for information about our illnesses, to keep an open mind, as many of our > > docs will never do, and not to discredit our questions, Or new findings, as I > > have been told. I'll go with the top celiac specialist in the country on this > > one, that believes the implants triggered this in both me an my son, as it > > fits envirnmental trigger " criteria " > > > > From one artilce_ > > " Celiac disease--also called sprue, nontropical sprue, gluten sensitive > > enteropathy, celiac sprue, and adult celiac disease--may be discovered at any > > age. Researchers believe that a combination of genetic and environmental > > factors trigger the disease. Environmental events that may provoke celiac > > disease in those with a genetic predisposition to the disorder include surgery > > or a viral infection. " > > > > > > another- > > > > CAUSES > > > > The symptoms of celiac disease (such as diarrhea, weight loss, and abdominal > > bloating) are caused by eating foods that contain gluten. Why eating gluten > > triggers symptoms of celiac disease in some people is though to be related to: > > > > Genetics: Celiac disease may be inherited. Current research indicates celiac > > disease is strongly associated with a group of genes on Chromosome 6. These > > genes (HLA class II antigens) are involved in the regulation of the body's > > immune response to the gluten protein fractions. > > * Occurs more often in genetically susceptible Caucasians. > > * Is rare in blacks, Japanese, and Chinese. > > * Occurs at the same rate in male and female children. > > * In adults, the disease is found twice as often in females than males. > > * Occurs more often (about 5-15%) in first-degree relatives (brothers, > > sisters, parents, sons, daughters) of people who have the disease. In 70% of > > identical twin pairs, both twins have the disease. It is suggested that family > > members be tested for celiac disease. > > Immune System Problems: Problems with a person's immune system may increase > > the likelihood that eating gluten will trigger an immune reaction. This immune > > reaction may damage the lining of the small intestine, leading to symptoms of > > celiac disease. > > > >> IMMUNE SYSTEM OVERVIEW: > >> > >> The immune system is the body's natural defense system. A health immune > >> system recognizes foreign substances, such as bacteria and viruses, as being > >> different from body tissues. It then attacks and destroys them. When working > >> properly, the immune system allows the body to fight off infections. > >> > >> The immune system is also responsible for allergic reactions and allergies, > >> which may occur when the immune system overreacts to a substance called an > >> allergen (such as pollen, mold, chemicals, plants, and medications). > >> > >> The body's immune system consists of: > >> > >> * Special proteins called antibodies. Antibodies attach themselves to foreign > >> substances, such as bacteria or viruses, and allow other immune system cells > >> to attack and destroy them. > >> * > >> * > >> * Special types of white blood cells produced by the lymphatic, or lymph, > >> system. When the body is fighting an infection, the lymph nodes may swell or > >> become hard or tender. > >> * > >> * > >> * Many chemicals and proteins that help kill bacteria or viruses or remove > >> unknown substances from the blood or tissues. > >> The health of the immune system can be affected by many factors, including > >> age, medications, and medical conditions. If the immune system is weakened or > >> impaired by disease or medications, the person will be at higher risk for > >> infections. > >> > >> Sometimes the body responds to its own tissues as if they were foreign > >> substances. This is called autoimmune response. > > > > Environment: Agents, such as bacteria, may play a role in triggering celiac > > disease in susceptible people who eat gluten. A virus that causes upper > > respiratory and stomach illness may also trigger celiac disease in people who > > are prone to developing the disease. > > > > > > Another srticle- > > > > The exact cause of celiac disease is unknown. The development of celiac > > disease requires a genetically predisposed person to be eating wheat, rye, > > oats or barley. Even if these two factors are present, celiac disease may not > > develop until a " trigger factor " starts the abnormal immune system response. > > Sometimes, a viral illness appears to be that " trigger. " Celiac disease > > causes the intestineâ•˚s villi to become flattened and lose the ability to > > absorb nutrients. Weight loss, anemia and vitamin deficiencies may occur as a > > result of the malabsorption (inadequate absorption of nutrients from the > > intestinal tract). After exposure to gluten, intestinal damage may develop > > within a few months or may be postponed for several years. > > > > > > > >> >From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply-> >> >< > >Subject: > >> Re: celiac disease trigger needed -- yes and it is gluten > >> >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:12:26 -0500 > >, > >The environmental trigger > >> is gluten, which is what I said in my previous >email, not an unknown trigger > >> such as silicone. You eliminate gluten, you >eliminate the damage done by > >> Celiac Disease. Very few people do not respond >positively to the CD diet. > >> You need to test positive for CD and react to >gluten to be a Celiac with > >> symptoms. Asymptomatic celiacs do not react to >gluten. A lot of people with > >> immune problems have more than one disease but >Celiac Disease is caused by > >> gluten. > >There are two different ways to diagnose CD and there is a lot of > >> debate >about the efficacy of both. The gluten antibody test can predict > >> oneâ•˙s >tendency toward CD but is not considered conclusive in itself. A > >> biopsy of >the intestine is needed for a definitive diagnosis. People are > >> often >misdiagnosed as having CD when what they really have is an intolerance > >> to >gluten, which is not the same thing. > >I highlighted the areas in blue > >> that refer to triggers. If you reread them, >you will see that they are > >> referring to the trigger as gluten. > >Kenda > > > > Read lower: Paragraph > >> 16- " Celiac disease is the only auto immnue disease > > where a trigger is > >> known " you must have both an envionmental trigger as well > > as a genetic > >> predisposition. > > > > Celiac disease is far more common than thought > >> > > Monday, February 10, 2003 > > > > A massive, multi-center study has found > >> that celiac disease is much more > > common in the United States than > >> previously believed. The study, published in > > the 10 February 2003 issue > >> of the Archives of Internal Medicine, found that > > one out of every 133 > >> Americans has celiac disease. Since only about one out of > > 4,700 Americans > >> has been diagnosed, this means that 97 percent of cases in > > this country > >> go undetected. > > > > The prevalence is far higher for those considered " at > >> risk. " One out of 22 > > people with a first-degree relative has the disease, > >> one out of 39 with a > > second-degree relative, and one out of 56 people > >> with symptoms but no > > diagnosed relative. > > > > " Celiac disease is a > >> much greater problem in the United States than has > > previously been > >> appreciated, " write the researchers, who recommend screening > > of those at > >> greatest risk, " to alleviate unnecessary suffering, prevent > > complications > >> and improve the quality of life. " > > > > " We hope this study will change the > >> perspective of the health care community > > and that physicians will be more > >> likely to test their patients for celiac > > disease, " says Alessio Fasano, > >> MD, the study's principal investigator and > > professor of pediatrics, > >> medicine and physiology at the University of land > > School of Medicine. > >> > > > > " Undetected, untreated celiac disease is a recipe for trouble, " says > >> Stefano > > Guandalini, MD, professor of pediatrics and director of the > >> University of > > Chicago Celiac Disease Program. > > > > " When this disease > >> is diagnosed and treated early we can prevent > > complications, " says > >> Guandalini, " but there is so little awareness of celiac > > disease in this > >> country, even among physicians, that we often see people only > > after they > >> develop severe problems. For a disease that can usually be treated > > > >> effectively with a modified diet, that's a horrible waste. " > > > > Celiac > >> disease is a digestive disorder triggered by the protein gluten, which > > is > >> found in wheat, barley and rye. Gluten can trigger an autoimmune reaction > > > >> in the intestines of genetically susceptible people, which causes a variety > >> of > > gastrointestinal symptoms and prevents the proper absorption of food > >> and > > nutrients, leading to serious health consequences. People with celiac > >> disease, > > however, can lead normal, healthy lives by following a > >> gluten-free diet. > > > > " Gluten is poison to celiac patients, " says Fasano. > >> " Avoiding gluten requires > > major lifestyle changes, and it impacts entire > >> families. " > > > > Symptoms of celiac disease vary among individuals. Most > >> common are diarrhea, > > constipation and abdominal pain, but " it can be a > >> difficult disease to > > diagnose, " adds Fasano, because symptoms can also > >> include weight loss, anemia, > > osteoporosis, lassitude and depression. > >> Sometimes, there are no symptoms. > > > > This new study demonstrates that > >> celiac disease is just as prevalent in the U. > > S. as in Europe, where it > >> is considered common, affecting an estimated one out > > of 130-to-300 > >> people. > > > > " Equal recognition of celiac disease has been frustratingly > >> slow to reach the > > U.S, " says Guandalini, who trained in Italy. " In > >> Europe, it typically takes a > > few weeks to go from the first symptoms to a > >> diagnosis. In the U.S., the > > average lag time between onset and diagnosis > >> is 11 years. " > > > > " If physicians believe that CD is rare, " note the study > >> authors, " they are > > less likely to test for it. " Third-party payers may > >> compound that delay. In > > this study, insurance companies denied payment > >> for an intestinal biopsy (to > > confirm the diagnosis) for 21 percent of the > >> patients who had a positive blood > > test. > > > > This study, the largest > >> ever on the prevalence of celiac disease in the U.S., > > took place over > >> five years and included blood samples from 13,145 adults and > > children > >> from 32 states. > > > > Blood tests were performed for about 9,000 people > >> considered " at-risk " because > > they had relatives with celiac disease, > >> symptoms such as diarrhea, or other > > disorders associated with celiac > >> disease, such as diabetes or anemia. Another > > 4,000 study participants > >> without symptoms or affected relatives were > > considered " not at-risk. " > > > >> > > Celiac disease is an autoimmune disease, like type-1 diabetes or > >> rheumatoid > > arthritis. Many scientists are beginning to suspect that > >> celiac disease may > > " set the stage " for other autoimmune disorders, says > >> Guandalini. " People who > > are diagnosed late or who continue to eat gluten > >> have a higher prevalence of > > autoimmune diseases, " he adds. > > > > For > >> someone to develop an autoimmune disease, explains Fasano, they must have > > > >> a genetic predisposition and an environmental trigger. " Celiac disease is the > >> > > only autoimmune disease where that trigger is known. " > > > > Today's > >> study supports the case for screening for celiac disease. There is an > > > >> accurate blood test that costs about $80. > > > > " We are not ready to test > >> the general population, " says Guandalini, " but it > > now makes sense to > >> screen those at risk: anyone with a close relative, > > children with > >> gastrointestinal problems suggesting celiac disease or related > > conditions > >> such as type-1 diabetes, short stature or Down syndrome, and adults > > with > >> symptoms or with disorders that are associated with celiac disease, such > > > >> as anemia, osteoporosis or infertility. > > > > The centers involved in this > >> study include the University of land, > > University of Chicago, > >> Columbia, Wake Forest, Marshall University, Children's > > Hospital of Los > >> Angeles, Mayo Clinic and the Instituto per l'Infanzia Burlo > > Garofalo, > >> Trieste, Italy. This study was funded by a grant from Istituto Di > > Ricerca > >> C. C. S. Burlo Garafolo, and by many celiac patients, their families > > and > >> friends. > > > > The University of Chicago Medical Center > > Office of > >> Public Affairs > > 5841 S. land Avenue, MC6063 > > Chicago, IL 60637 > > > >> Phone (773) 702-6241 Fax (773) 702-3171 > > > > > > * Celiac Disease Program > >> > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/specialties/celiac/index.php> > > * Stefano > >> Guandalini, MD > > > >> <http://www.uchospitals.edu/physicians/stefano-guandalini.php> > > * Archives > >> of Internal Medicine <http://archinte.ama-assn.org/> > > > > Easton > > > >> (773) 702-6241 > > john.easton@ uchospitals.edu > >> <mailto:john.easton@...> > > > > > > > > Notice of Privacy > >> Practices > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/visitor/privacy/notice.php> | Legal > >> Disclaimer > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/visitor/privacy/disclaimer.php> | > >> Contact Us > > <http://www.uchospitals.edu/contact/index.php> | Site Map > > > >> <http://www.uchospitals.edu/site-map.php> > > > > Call HealthLink toll-free > >> at 1-888-UCH-0200. 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Yes, any disease that we may have susceptibility for can be triggered by

toxins, and heaven knows, implants are toxins. As are many, many, many

things in our environment.

Lynda

At 08:54 AM 4/14/2005, you wrote:

>Lynda, Im not kidding myself-I never said I havent been exposed to toxins,

>or laundry detergent, I was speaking about the chronic onset of celiac

>disease after getting implants.

>

>

>

>

>

> >From: Lynda <coss@...> >Reply-To:

> >To:

> >Subject: Re: celiac

> disease trigger needed -- >Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:15:33 -0600 > > >And

> absolutely no exposure to toxins, such as pesticides, food

> additives, >food colorings, lawn spray, fabric softener, laundry

> detergents, household >cleaners, air pollution, car exhaust,

> etc.?????????????? > >We kid ourselves if we think we have not had

> exposure to toxins. And some >are just extremely sensitive and it affects

> them a lot more. > >Lynda > > >At 08:32 AM 4/13/2005, you wrote: > >We

> aren’t going to agree, no where have I read that an

> “environmental” > >trigger is “necessary”, including the information you

> have provided. The > >information from specialists and books I have read

> state that many people > >with celiac disease have had a trigger such as

> an illness or surgery but > >that one is not NECESSARY. In proof of that,

> my daughter had no trigger > >other than gluten, no surgeries and no

> illnesses. > > > >You know your body better than anyone else, I am not

> disputing the issues > >that you have or why you have them, that would be

> foolish on my part. I > >have never met you and I am not a doctor. The

> reason you have diseases or > >how they manifest is not the same for

> every patient and there is no golden > >rule by which to

> follow. > > > >If you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest we

> take it privately. > > > >Kenda > > > > > >Kenda, no I am not mistaken,

> the " trigger " is an envirnmental trigger, > >which numerous studies make

> examples such as viral infection or surgery. > >Do a search. I also sent

> another post on this. I want to set this straight > >to all the women on

> this site, that this is the only disease known to > >need an envornmental

> trigger to set it off, which then can also be > >implants, or infections

> casued by them, or toxic poisoning. This can be > >what triggered it in

> me. I said " can " > > > >The environmental trigger that begins the process

> is not gluten itself, > >gluten is merely what the body then reacts to,

> or is suspeptable to. To > >understand it, environmental triggers such as

> surgeries or viral > >infections, bring out a genetic suseptabilty to

> gluten intolerance or > >celiac disease, making the body senstive to

> gluten. Of course I know what > >tests are needed to rule it in, as well

> as for my son, I have been there. > >Done it. We are diagnosed celiac's.

> Of course, I have gotten better off > >gluten products, I have had to go

> this route now that I am showing an auto > >immnue response to it. The

> question I merely brought up- is the response > >triggered by implants

> causing a overeactive system in some individulas? I > >have tried to

> explain this, and dont want to argue with you on this. But > >envonmental

> trigger means-surgery or illness, or stress that brings on

> the > >disease. Reread. Or specifically ask your doctor. " What is

> an > >environmental trigger? " > > > > I was merely trying to help as I

> have done on this site for years. I > > didnt think I would be argued

> with by saying my implants, that were moldy > > and 9 years old " could

> have triggered this " , this is exactly what this > > site if for, is for

> information about our illnesses, to keep an open > > mind, as many of our

> docs will never do, and not to discredit our > > questions, Or new

> findings, as I have been told. I'll go with the top > > celiac specialist

> in the country on this one, that believes the implants > > triggered this

> in both me an my son, as it fits envirnmental trigger > > " criteria "

> > > > > >From one artilce_ > > " Celiac disease--also called sprue,

> nontropical sprue, gluten sensitive > >enteropathy, celiac sprue, and

> adult celiac disease--may be discovered at > >any age. Researchers

> believe that a combination of genetic and > >environmental factors

> trigger the disease. Environmental events that may > >provoke celiac

> disease in those with a genetic predisposition to the > >disorder include

> surgery or a viral

> infection. " > > > > > >another- > > > >CAUSES > > > >The symptoms of

> celiac disease (such as diarrhea, weight loss, and > >abdominal bloating)

> are caused by eating foods that contain gluten. Why > >eating gluten

> triggers symptoms of celiac disease in some people is though > >to be

> related to: > > > >Genetics: Celiac disease may be inherited. Current

> research indicates > >celiac disease is strongly associated with a group

> of genes on Chromosome > >6. These genes (HLA class II antigens) are

> involved in the regulation of > >the body's immune response to the gluten

> protein fractions. > >Occurs more often in genetically susceptible

> Caucasians. > >Is rare in blacks, Japanese, and Chinese. > >Occurs at the

> same rate in male and female children. > >In adults, the disease is found

> twice as often in females than males. > >Occurs more often (about 5-15%)

> in first-degree relatives (brothers, > >sisters, parents, sons,

> daughters) of people who have the disease. In 70% > >of identical twin

> pairs, both twins have the disease. It is suggested that > >family

> members be tested for celiac disease. > >Immune System Problems: Problems

> with a person's immune system may > >increase the likelihood that eating

> gluten will trigger an immune > >reaction. This immune reaction may

> damage the lining of the small > >intestine, leading to symptoms of

> celiac disease. > > > >IMMUNE SYSTEM OVERVIEW: > > > >The immune system

> is the body's natural defense system. A health immune > >system

> recognizes foreign substances, such as bacteria and viruses, as > >being

> different from body tissues. It then attacks and destroys them.

> When > >working properly, the immune system allows the body to fight off

> infections. > > > >The immune system is also responsible for allergic

> reactions and > >allergies, which may occur when the immune system

> overreacts to a > >substance called an allergen (such as pollen, mold,

> chemicals, plants, and > >medications). > > > >The body's immune system

> consists of: > > > >Special proteins called antibodies. Antibodies attach

> themselves to > >foreign substances, such as bacteria or viruses, and

> allow other immune > >system cells to attack and destroy them. > >Special

> types of white blood cells produced by the lymphatic, or

> lymph, > >system. When the body is fighting an infection, the lymph nodes

> may swell > >or become hard or tender. > >Many chemicals and proteins

> that help kill bacteria or viruses or remove > >unknown substances from

> the blood or tissues. > >The health of the immune system can be affected

> by many factors, including > >age, medications, and medical conditions.

> If the immune system is weakened > >or impaired by disease or

> medications, the person will be at higher risk > >for

> infections. > > > >Sometimes the body responds to its own tissues as if

> they were foreign > >substances. This is called autoimmune

> response. > > > > > >Environment: Agents, such as bacteria, may play a

> role in triggering > >celiac disease in susceptible people who eat

> gluten. A virus that causes > >upper respiratory and stomach illness may

> also trigger celiac disease in > >people who are prone to developing the

> disease. > > > > > >Another srticle- > > > >The exact cause of celiac

> disease is unknown. The development of celiac > >disease requires a

> genetically predisposed person to be eating wheat, rye, > >oats or

> barley. Even if these two factors are present, celiac disease may > >not

> develop until a " trigger factor " starts the abnormal immune

> system > >response. Sometimes, a viral illness appears to be

> that > > " trigger. " Celiac disease causes the intestine‚s villi to

> become > >flattened and lose the ability to absorb nutrients. Weight

> loss, anemia > >and vitamin deficiencies may occur as a result of the

> malabsorption > >(inadequate absorption of nutrients from the intestinal

> tract). After > >exposure to gluten, intestinal damage may develop within

> a few months or > >may be postponed for several

> years. > > > > > > > > >From: Kenda Skaggs

> <kdskaggs@...> >Reply-> >

> >> >

> < > >Subject: Re: celiac > >

> disease trigger needed -- yes and it is gluten >Date: Tue, 12 Apr

> 2005 > > 22:12:26 -0500 > >, > >The environmental trigger is gluten,

> which is > > what I said in my previous >email, not an unknown trigger

> such as > > silicone. You eliminate gluten, you >eliminate the damage

> done by Celiac > > Disease. Very few people do not respond >positively to

> the CD diet. You > > need to test positive for CD and react to >gluten to

> be a Celiac with > > symptoms. Asymptomatic celiacs do not react

> to >gluten. A lot of people > > with immune problems have more than one

> disease but >Celiac Disease is > > caused by gluten. > >There are two

> different ways to diagnose CD and > > there is a lot of debate >about the

> efficacy of both. The gluten antibody > > test can predict

> one’s >tendency toward CD but is not considered > > conclusive in itself.

> A biopsy of >the intestine is needed for a > > definitive diagnosis.

> People are often >misdiagnosed as having CD when > > what they really

> have is an intolerance to >gluten, which is not the same > > thing. > >I

> highlighted the areas in blue that refer to triggers. If you > > reread

> them, >you will see that they are referring to the trigger as > >

> gluten. > >Kenda > > > > Read lower: Paragraph 16- " Celiac disease is

> the > > only auto immnue disease > > where a trigger is known " you must

> have > > both an envionmental trigger as well > > as a genetic

> predisposition. > > > > > > Celiac disease is far more common than

> thought > > Monday, > > February 10, 2003 > > > > A massive, multi-center

> study has found that > > celiac disease is much more > > common in the

> United States than > > previously believed. The study, published in > >

> the 10 February 2003 > > issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine,

> found that > > one out of > > every 133 Americans has celiac disease.

> Since only about one out of > > > > 4,700 Americans has been diagnosed,

> this means that 97 percent of cases > > in > > this country go

> undetected. > > > > The prevalence is far higher > > for those considered

> " at risk. " One out of 22 > > people with a > > first-degree relative has

> the disease, one out of 39 with a > > > > second-degree relative, and one

> out of 56 people with symptoms but no > > > > diagnosed relative. > > > >

> " Celiac disease is a much greater problem in > > the United States than

> has > > previously been appreciated, " write the > > researchers, who

> recommend screening > > of those at greatest risk, " to > > alleviate

> unnecessary suffering, prevent > > complications and improve > > the

> quality of life. " > > > > " We hope this study will change the > >

> perspective of the health care community > > and that physicians will be

> more l > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> advice given by > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> physician or licensed > >health care professional before commencing any

> medical treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or

> the politicians mislead you. > >Find out what the facts are, and make

> your own decisions about how to live > >a happy life and how to work for

> a better world. " - Linus ing, > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes . . .there are many toxins . . . That's the excuse

they use when women get sick after implants. No one

can isolate the toxin that made us sick, therefore,

there is no proof!

--- Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

> Yes, any disease that we may have susceptibility for

> can be triggered by

> toxins, and heaven knows, implants are toxins. As

> are many, many, many

> things in our environment.

>

> Lynda

[Guest guest]

Lynda, And they sure are toxic! Love

>From: Lynda <coss@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: celiac disease trigger needed -- >Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:11:59 -0600 > > >Yes, any disease that we may have susceptibility for can be triggered by >toxins, and heaven knows, implants are toxins. As are many, many, many >things in our environment. > >Lynda > > >At 08:54 AM 4/14/2005, you wrote: > > >Lynda, Im not kidding myself-I never said I havent been exposed to toxins, > >or laundry detergent, I was speaking about the chronic onset of celiac > >disease after getting implants. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Lynda <coss@...> >Reply-> > >> > >Subject: Re: celiac > > disease trigger needed -- >Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:15:33 -0600 > > >And > > absolutely no exposure to toxins, such as pesticides, food > > additives, >food colorings, lawn spray, fabric softener, laundry > > detergents, household >cleaners, air pollution, car exhaust, > > etc.?????????????? > >We kid ourselves if we think we have not had > > exposure to toxins. And some >are just extremely sensitive and it affects > > them a lot more. > >Lynda > > >At 08:32 AM 4/13/2005, you wrote: > >We > > aren’t going to agree, no where have I read that an > > “environmental” > >trigger is “necessary”, including the information you > > have provided. The > >information from specialists and books I have read > > state that many people > >with celiac disease have had a trigger such as > > an illness or surgery but > >that one is not NECESSARY. In proof of that, > > my daughter had no trigger > >other than gluten, no surgeries and no > > illnesses. > > > >You know your body better than anyone else, I am not > > disputing the issues > >that you have or why you have them, that would be > > foolish on my part. I > >have never met you and I am not a doctor. The > > reason you have diseases or > >how they manifest is not the same for > > every patient and there is no golden > >rule by which to > > follow. > > > >If you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest we > > take it privately. > > > >Kenda > > > > > >Kenda, no I am not mistaken, > > the "trigger" is an envirnmental trigger, > >which numerous studies make > > examples such as viral infection or surgery. > >Do a search. I also sent > > another post on this. I want to set this straight > >to all the women on > > this site, that this is the only disease known to > >need an envornmental > > trigger to set it off, which then can also be > >implants, or infections > > casued by them, or toxic poisoning. This can be > >what triggered it in > > me. I said "can" > > > >The environmental trigger that begins the process > > is not gluten itself, > >gluten is merely what the body then reacts to, > > or is suspeptable to. To > >understand it, environmental triggers such as > > surgeries or viral > >infections, bring out a genetic suseptabilty to > > gluten intolerance or > >celiac disease, making the body senstive to > > gluten. Of course I know what > >tests are needed to rule it in, as well > > as for my son, I have been there. > >Done it. We are diagnosed celiac's. > > Of course, I have gotten better off > >gluten products, I have had to go > > this route now that I am showing an auto > >immnue response to it. The > > question I merely brought up- is the response > >triggered by implants > > causing a overeactive system in some individulas? I > >have tried to > > explain this, and dont want to argue with you on this. But > >envonmental > > trigger means-surgery or illness, or stress that brings on > > the > >disease. Reread. Or specifically ask your doctor. "What is > > an > >environmental trigger?" > > > > I was merely trying to help as I > > have done on this site for years. I > > didnt think I would be argued > > with by saying my implants, that were moldy > > and 9 years old "could > > have triggered this", this is exactly what this > > site if for, is for > > information about our illnesses, to keep an open > > mind, as many of our > > docs will never do, and not to discredit our > > questions, Or new > > findings, as I have been told. I'll go with the top > > celiac specialist > > in the country on this one, that believes the implants > > triggered this > > in both me an my son, as it fits envirnmental trigger > > "criteria" > > > > > > >From one artilce_ > >"Celiac disease--also called sprue, > > nontropical sprue, gluten sensitive > >enteropathy, celiac sprue, and > > adult celiac disease--may be discovered at > >any age. Researchers > > believe that a combination of genetic and > >environmental factors > > trigger the disease. Environmental events that may > >provoke celiac > > disease in those with a genetic predisposition to the > >disorder include > > surgery or a viral > > infection." > > > > > >another- > > > >CAUSES > > > >The symptoms of > > celiac disease (such as diarrhea, weight loss, and > >abdominal bloating) > > are caused by eating foods that contain gluten. Why > >eating gluten > > triggers symptoms of celiac disease in some people is though > >to be > > related to: > > > >Genetics: Celiac disease may be inherited. Current > > research indicates > >celiac disease is strongly associated with a group > > of genes on Chromosome > >6. These genes (HLA class II antigens) are > > involved in the regulation of > >the body's immune response to the gluten > > protein fractions. > >Occurs more often in genetically susceptible > > Caucasians. > >Is rare in blacks, Japanese, and Chinese. > >Occurs at the > > same rate in male and female children. > >In adults, the disease is found > > twice as often in females than males. > >Occurs more often (about 5-15%) > > in first-degree relatives (brothers, > >sisters, parents, sons, > > daughters) of people who have the disease. In 70% > >of identical twin > > pairs, both twins have the disease. It is suggested that > >family > > members be tested for celiac disease. > >Immune System Problems: Problems > > with a person's immune system may > >increase the likelihood that eating > > gluten will trigger an immune > >reaction. This immune reaction may > > damage the lining of the small > >intestine, leading to symptoms of > > celiac disease. > > > >IMMUNE SYSTEM OVERVIEW: > > > >The immune system > > is the body's natural defense system. A health immune > >system > > recognizes foreign substances, such as bacteria and viruses, as > >being > > different from body tissues. It then attacks and destroys them. > > When > >working properly, the immune system allows the body to fight off > > infections. > > > >The immune system is also responsible for allergic > > reactions and > >allergies, which may occur when the immune system > > overreacts to a > >substance called an allergen (such as pollen, mold, > > chemicals, plants, and > >medications). > > > >The body's immune system > > consists of: > > > >Special proteins called antibodies. Antibodies attach > > themselves to > >foreign substances, such as bacteria or viruses, and > > allow other immune > >system cells to attack and destroy them. > >Special > > types of white blood cells produced by the lymphatic, or > > lymph, > >system. When the body is fighting an infection, the lymph nodes > > may swell > >or become hard or tender. > >Many chemicals and proteins > > that help kill bacteria or viruses or remove > >unknown substances from > > the blood or tissues. > >The health of the immune system can be affected > > by many factors, including > >age, medications, and medical conditions. > > If the immune system is weakened > >or impaired by disease or > > medications, the person will be at higher risk > >for > > infections. > > > >Sometimes the body responds to its own tissues as if > > they were foreign > >substances. This is called autoimmune > > response. > > > > > >Environment: Agents, such as bacteria, may play a > > role in triggering > >celiac disease in susceptible people who eat > > gluten. A virus that causes > >upper respiratory and stomach illness may > > also trigger celiac disease in > >people who are prone to developing the > > disease. > > > > > >Another srticle- > > > >The exact cause of celiac > > disease is unknown. The development of celiac > >disease requires a > > genetically predisposed person to be eating wheat, rye, > >oats or > > barley. Even if these two factors are present, celiac disease may > >not > > develop until a "trigger factor" starts the abnormal immune > > system > >response. Sometimes, a viral illness appears to be > > that > >"trigger." Celiac disease causes the intestine‚s villi to > > become > >flattened and lose the ability to absorb nutrients. Weight > > loss, anemia > >and vitamin deficiencies may occur as a result of the > > malabsorption > >(inadequate absorption of nutrients from the intestinal > > tract). After > >exposure to gluten, intestinal damage may develop within > > a few months or > >may be postponed for several > > years. > > > > > > > > >From: Kenda Skaggs > > <kdskaggs@...> >Reply-> > > > >> > > > < > >Subject: Re: celiac > > > > disease trigger needed -- yes and it is gluten >Date: Tue, 12 Apr > > 2005 > > 22:12:26 -0500 > >, > >The environmental trigger is gluten, > > which is > > what I said in my previous >email, not an unknown trigger > > such as > > silicone. You eliminate gluten, you >eliminate the damage > > done by Celiac > > Disease. Very few people do not respond >positively to > > the CD diet. You > > need to test positive for CD and react to >gluten to > > be a Celiac with > > symptoms. Asymptomatic celiacs do not react > > to >gluten. A lot of people > > with immune problems have more than one > > disease but >Celiac Disease is > > caused by gluten. > >There are two > > different ways to diagnose CD and > > there is a lot of debate >about the > > efficacy of both. The gluten antibody > > test can predict > > one’s >tendency toward CD but is not considered > > conclusive in itself. > > A biopsy of >the intestine is needed for a > > definitive diagnosis. > > People are often >misdiagnosed as having CD when > > what they really > > have is an intolerance to >gluten, which is not the same > > thing. > >I > > highlighted the areas in blue that refer to triggers. If you > > reread > > them, >you will see that they are referring to the trigger as > > > > gluten. > >Kenda > > > > Read lower: Paragraph 16- "Celiac disease is > > the > > only auto immnue disease > > where a trigger is known " you must > > have > > both an envionmental trigger as well > > as a genetic > > predisposition. > > > > > > Celiac disease is far more common than > > thought > > Monday, > > February 10, 2003 > > > > A massive, multi-center > > study has found that > > celiac disease is much more > > common in the > > United States than > > previously believed. The study, published in > > > > the 10 February 2003 > > issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine, > > found that > > one out of > > every 133 Americans has celiac disease. > > Since only about one out of > > > > 4,700 Americans has been diagnosed, > > this means that 97 percent of cases > > in > > this country go > > undetected. > > > > The prevalence is far higher > > for those considered > > "at risk." One out of 22 > > people with a > > first-degree relative has > > the disease, one out of 39 with a > > > > second-degree relative, and one > > out of 56 people with symptoms but no > > > > diagnosed relative. > > > > > > "Celiac disease is a much greater problem in > > the United States than > > has > > previously been appreciated," write the > > researchers, who > > recommend screening > > of those at greatest risk, "to > > alleviate > > unnecessary suffering, prevent > > complications and improve > > the > > quality of life." > > > > "We hope this study will change the > > > > perspective of the health care community > > and that physicians will be > > more l > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of > > advice given by > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your > > physician or licensed > >health care professional before commencing any > > medical treatment. > > > >"Do not let either the medical authorities or > > the politicians mislead you. > >Find out what the facts are, and make > > your own decisions about how to live > >a happy life and how to work for > > a better world." - Linus ing, > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >