Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 If heaven is so great, why are we all afraid to die? I think I would rather me in the next world than this one. Then I wouldn't be in all this pain from my back. And no more kidney stones or hepatitis C. Colleen abijann <no_reply > wrote: It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that everything would be fine. This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year, I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers at social security. People are dying waiting around for social security to make a final decision on whether they need money to live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel. Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are not there and you have to switch which would put your life in danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added torture. Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there is nothing I can do about it " . I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change. Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be tortured, that we live with each day. Group Email: livercirrhosissupport web address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I want to address a single part of your meaningful message, Abijann. Doctors aren't all that wise or cooperative in these matters, either. When my father had both legs amputated, I cared for him during the summer and when it was time for school to start, asked the doctor to fill out necessary papers to have nursing help during the day while I was teaching school. The doctor refused, saying the question would be that since he didn't get care from the beginning, there would be too many questions about why we needed help weeks later and it was more than likely that help would not be forthcoming. Even the doctor didn't understand! At that time I wasn't as assertive as I have come to be. As it was, my husband (self-employed) stayed with my daddy during the day while I worked. I was on duty at night. Since bedsores were involved, no night was undisturbed. It's no wonder I had a heart attack a year later and my health went down from there. Yes, we healed the bedsores. I asked every medical person I could reach what to do about them and the ONLY advice was to avoid them; they knew nothing else. It takes work and real care and constant re-arranging, but it can be done! Creativity may be the key. Old Sue It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that everything would be fine. This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year, I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers at social security. People are dying waiting around for social security to make a final decision on whether they need money to live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel. Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are not there and you have to switch which would put your life in danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added torture. Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there is nothing I can do about it " . I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change. Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be tortured, that we live with each day. Group Email: livercirrhosissupport web address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Ditto, it is the pain and suffering of dying, the getting to the death that has me concerned. I know Heaven will be wonderful and can't wait to get there. Come Lord Jesus, Pamela Re: Sue > > If heaven is so great, why are we all afraid to die? I think I would > rather > me in the next world than this one. Then I wouldn't be in all this pain > from > my back. And no more kidney stones or hepatitis C. > > Colleen > > > abijann <no_reply > wrote: > It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would > go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and > be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that > everything would be fine. > > This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from > a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give > you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them > from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over > you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to > be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't > have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year, > I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in > our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to > get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the > original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and > they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled > should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should > be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to > say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final > decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers > at social security. People are dying waiting around for social > security to make a final decision on whether they need money to > live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel. > > Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time > could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live > physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about > losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something > the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are > not there and you have to switch which would put your life in > danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how > it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband > will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added > torture. > > Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there > is nothing I can do about it " . > > I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society > has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change. > Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring > how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the > throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be > tortured, that we live with each day. > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissupport > web address: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I am conflicted on this dying and going to heaven or staying here and being in contact with family for awhile longer. I am just leaving the timing up to God and praying that I will die with dignity and loving kindness to those around me. I would hate to know that I would get angry with them because of the disease. Jan H > Ditto, it is the pain and suffering of dying, the getting to the death > that > has me concerned. > > I know Heaven will be wonderful and can't wait to get there. > > Come Lord Jesus, > > Pamela > Re: Sue > > > > If heaven is so great, why are we all afraid to die? I think I would > > rather > > me in the next world than this one. Then I wouldn't be in all this pain > > from > > my back. And no more kidney stones or hepatitis C. > > > > Colleen > > > > > > abijann <no_reply > wrote: > > It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would > > go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and > > be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that > > everything would be fine. > > > > This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from > > a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give > > you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them > > from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over > > you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to > > be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't > > have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year, > > I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in > > our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to > > get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the > > original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and > > they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled > > should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should > > be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to > > say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final > > decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers > > at social security. People are dying waiting around for social > > security to make a final decision on whether they need money to > > live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel. > > > > Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time > > could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live > > physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about > > losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something > > the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are > > not there and you have to switch which would put your life in > > danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how > > it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband > > will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added > > torture. > > > > Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there > > is nothing I can do about it " . > > > > I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society > > has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change. > > Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring > > how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the > > throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be > > tortured, that we live with each day. > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissupport > > web address: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side " and what it's like there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going to the Halls of Learning. No tuition charged, either. Colleen Jan Holman wrote: I am conflicted on this dying and going to heaven or staying here and being in contact with family for awhile longer. I am just leaving the timing up to God and praying that I will die with dignity and loving kindness to those around me. I would hate to know that I would get angry with them because of the disease. Jan H > Ditto, it is the pain and suffering of dying, the getting to the death > that > has me concerned. > > I know Heaven will be wonderful and can't wait to get there. > > Come Lord Jesus, > > Pamela > Re: Sue > > > > If heaven is so great, why are we all afraid to die? I think I would > > rather > > me in the next world than this one. Then I wouldn't be in all this pain > > from > > my back. And no more kidney stones or hepatitis C. > > > > Colleen > > > > > > abijann wrote: > > It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would > > go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and > > be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that > > everything would be fine. > > > > This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from > > a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give > > you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them > > from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over > > you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to > > be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't > > have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year, > > I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in > > our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to > > get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the > > original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and > > they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled > > should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should > > be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to > > say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final > > decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers > > at social security. People are dying waiting around for social > > security to make a final decision on whether they need money to > > live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel. > > > > Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time > > could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live > > physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about > > losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something > > the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are > > not there and you have to switch which would put your life in > > danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how > > it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband > > will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added > > torture. > > > > Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there > > is nothing I can do about it " . > > > > I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society > > has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change. > > Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring > > how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the > > throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be > > tortured, that we live with each day. > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissupport > > web address: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 My guess is that once you're there, you will already know everything past and present and you'll find the tuition was paid with your flesh. I wouldn't read to much about it either. All books about it are wrong since they are written by authors who were alive at the time. MaC MsTigerHawk wrote: I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side " and what it's like there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going to the Halls of Learning. No tuition charged, either. Colleen Jan Holman wrote: I am conflicted on this dying and going to heaven or staying here and being in contact with family for awhile longer. I am just leaving the timing up to God and praying that I will die with dignity and loving kindness to those around me. I would hate to know that I would get angry with them because of the disease. Jan H > Ditto, it is the pain and suffering of dying, the getting to the death > that > has me concerned. > > I know Heaven will be wonderful and can't wait to get there. > > Come Lord Jesus, > > Pamela > Re: Sue > > > > If heaven is so great, why are we all afraid to die? I think I would > > rather > > me in the next world than this one. Then I wouldn't be in all this pain > > from > > my back. And no more kidney stones or hepatitis C. > > > > Colleen > > > > > > abijann wrote: > > It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would > > go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and > > be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that > > everything would be fine. > > > > This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from > > a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give > > you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them > > from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over > > you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to > > be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't > > have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year, > > I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in > > our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to > > get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the > > original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and > > they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled > > should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should > > be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to > > say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final > > decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers > > at social security. People are dying waiting around for social > > security to make a final decision on whether they need money to > > live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel. > > > > Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time > > could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live > > physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about > > losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something > > the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are > > not there and you have to switch which would put your life in > > danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how > > it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband > > will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added > > torture. > > > > Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there > > is nothing I can do about it " . > > > > I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society > > has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change. > > Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring > > how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the > > throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be > > tortured, that we live with each day. > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissupport > > web address: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 It's like going to an amusement park or a vacation to the beach. You don't want to leave because you are enjoying it so much. We feel something like that with life and the thought of dying. But after that whopping fun day or time at the beach, to get home and soak in a warm tub and settle in your own bed with a good book -- that's good, too. It's not so much death we fear as the unknown. That's my opinion. It comforts me. My dentist told me he couldn't work on my teeth because I might not wake up. I told him I was ready and he said he wasn't ready. The " Not in my chair " Syndrome is what I call it! Fear not. You aren't the first. You aren't the only. You aren't the last. If all those who went before me can handle it, so can I. I do not mean to be crass or unsympathetic, but we do fear far too much. You will live on in someone's consciousness just by being remembered! Old Re: Sue If heaven is so great, why are we all afraid to die? I think I would rather me in the next world than this one. Then I wouldn't be in all this pain from my back. And no more kidney stones or hepatitis C. Colleen abijann wrote: It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that everything would be fine. This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year, I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers at social security. People are dying waiting around for social security to make a final decision on whether they need money to live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel. Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are not there and you have to switch which would put your life in danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added torture. Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there is nothing I can do about it " . I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change. Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be tortured, that we live with each day. Group Email: livercirrhosissupport web address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 This reading about " the other side " is interesting. What bothers me is that few have been there. I've read of people who die and " come back, " even the mother of a school-mate years ago. I've also been told stories by people who were " out of body, " and were conscious of what was going on around them. I've yet to hear anything bad or scary from these sources. Old Re: Sue I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side " and what it's like there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going to the Halls of Learning. No tuition charged, either. Colleen Jan Holman wrote: I am conflicted on this dying and going to heaven or staying here and being in contact with family for awhile longer. I am just leaving the timing up to God and praying that I will die with dignity and loving kindness to those around me. I would hate to know that I would get angry with them because of the disease. Jan H > Ditto, it is the pain and suffering of dying, the getting to the death > that > has me concerned. > > I know Heaven will be wonderful and can't wait to get there. > > Come Lord Jesus, > > Pamela > Re: Sue > > > > If heaven is so great, why are we all afraid to die? I think I would > > rather > > me in the next world than this one. Then I wouldn't be in all this pain > > from > > my back. And no more kidney stones or hepatitis C. > > > > Colleen > > > > > > abijann wrote: > > It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would > > go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and > > be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that > > everything would be fine. > > > > This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from > > a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give > > you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them > > from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over > > you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to > > be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't > > have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year, > > I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in > > our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to > > get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the > > original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and > > they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled > > should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should > > be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to > > say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final > > decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers > > at social security. People are dying waiting around for social > > security to make a final decision on whether they need money to > > live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel. > > > > Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time > > could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live > > physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about > > losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something > > the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are > > not there and you have to switch which would put your life in > > danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how > > it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband > > will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added > > torture. > > > > Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there > > is nothing I can do about it " . > > > > I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society > > has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change. > > Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring > > how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the > > throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be > > tortured, that we live with each day. > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissupport > > web address: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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