Hey Barb, the urine test you noted for the three..........

[Guest guest]

toxic pathogens......how was that performed(where)? Do you live close

to Dr Shoe. and had him do the test or did you use mail order lab

(which one)?How " broad " of a spectrum of toxin pathogens is

covered...are there many other path. measured if you had them? Seems

to be much more convenient(urine test) than blood test (how about the

stability/time from collection of urine till test results done? Thanks

for details....glad you are improving. Btw, during all your symptoms,

were you ever bothered by sinusitis or allergic nasal issues? Thanks

again....Steve

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Steve,

It was urine test I did when I was in Dallas. I went down there in

end of July. I was there a week. However I waited until I came home

to do the urine test since I thought being away from home for a week

could make a difference. They did blood testing also but test didn't

measure amount of toxin in blood. I don't know if that can be done or

who does this but immunoglobulin (Ige/Iga/Igm) testing was done and I

had very high numbers on all three Ig's for tricothecenes and many,

many molds and other toxins. I had pages and pages of abnormally high

results summaries. The different Ig's mean different things. I think

Igm is recent exposure..I get them confused. It was for sure I was

having recent exposure to many toxins and molds. I don't know how to

compare these tests with ones in 2004 since in 2004 I just had

tricothecene test by Dr Wm Croft of La Crosse who does a 24 hour

collection test. I wondered if I should redo 24 hour collection test

but this is test Dr Rae uses and he felt results were good. Its clear

from a number of tests that I did have a significant tricothecene

problem so I think it is better to put any money into expenses of

ridding myself of exposure rather than more testing right now.

It wasn't comparing apples to apples but results were good so I will

take that. I feel better than I did two years ago. Could hardly do

anything, so weak.

I have been able to put more hours in at work, have a very good

appetite, but still have considerable digestive problems, sore throat,

blurry vision and brain fog, so not better. Tricothecenes are very

hard on the digestive tract, which would include throat. I imagine

blurry vision and brain fog are due to vasculitis, narrowing of blood

vesels due to inflamation. I want to see if I can get test to

definately confirm if I have vasculitis. Dr Rae said so but using

thermascan, a new technique. I think I could get ultrasound to detect

too. Vascular inflamation can be very serious, affect any organ,

including heart, can cause stroke. I would like to have this

confirmed by another method of testing. My vision is sooo blurry. I

can only read very large signs. I don't know if staying away from

mold and toxins will be enough to clear it up. Dr Rae thinks that it

is mold and toxins irritating my blood vessels and he is giving me

shots that should give an anti inflamatory effect. If this doesn't

seem to help, he said he would consider anti fungal treatment but he

wants me to try the shots first and away from the mold, etc first.

--- In , " shybasset " <shybasset@...>

wrote:

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> toxic pathogens......how was that performed(where)? Do you live

close

> to Dr Shoe. and had him do the test or did you use mail order lab

> (which one)?How " broad " of a spectrum of toxin pathogens is

[Guest guest]

I went to Dr Shoe about a year ago last summer and got the CSM. He

recommended other treatment but I decided on just the CSM. This past

summer I went to Dallas for more testing.

--- In , " shybasset " <shybasset@...>

wrote:

>

> toxic pathogens......how was that performed(where)? Do you live

close

> to Dr Shoe.

[Guest guest]

Ed, All I know is my urine test is better for toxins basically and I

don't know which of the several things I did may have helped. I am

going to redo the 24 hour urine test soon so I can compare apples

with apples because it would be good to know if toxins in urine are

really much different than they were 2004 and also to compare tests

too. I also forgot to mention that I did *alot* of green leafy

vegetable juicing too. Chlorophyll is supposed to really do a good

job of cleaning your body, oxygenating tissues, etc. I figure

chlorophyl cleans the *world*, so why not believe it can clean the

body. It must be important since look how much of it there is!

I went through perhaps six months of drinking a quart or TWO of

fresh squeezed green leavy vegetable juice, sweetened with carrots

or apples enough to make palatable. This also had an impact on how

I felt. I don't have the counter space right now to do that but I

forgot to mention that it was a very big part of my own treatment

plan. What has helped to lessen toxins in body/or urine..I don't

know really. I was impressed with test results since I was still in

my home. If I had to guess, I would think it was the fresh air

intake just because I felt a difference, but CSM is known to detox

the liver for sure. This is known in traditional medical circles as

well as alternative. I just took sooo very little of it and I also

have to add that I am very far away from claiming to be 'better. I

took very little of it since it was irritating to my digestive tract

and I think that is because toxins have damaged it. I finished can

recently and this time didn't seem to bother me much so perhaps

digestive tract has improved and I can tolerate it more. I plan to

contact Dr Shoe for some more and I might want to see him again,

kind of interested in spec scan due to head/fog and the very blurry

vision.

--- In , Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...>

wrote:

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> Are you better after using the CSM?

[Guest guest]

Jane, I'm going to try a high powered blender for greens to see if

that is easier and quicker to do. It was suggested in a book I have

on natural strategies for cancer. I'd love to have it every day

again...if someone else would do it for me!! Author of book uses the

cadillac of blenders, a Vita Mix.

I also forgot to mention that I did

*alot* of green leafy

> vegetable juicing too.

[Guest guest]

Ed, do you take a glutamine powder or tablets? I

have heard of it but don't take it.

[Guest guest]

Are you the person who uses Carnosine drops or something similar for

eye soreness? I was thinking I should have made note of that.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

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> Edy,

>

> If you do a search on PubMed for zinc carnosine, you'll find some

> interesting information about a complex of zinc and carnosine that

[Guest guest]

I was thinking of trying an all liquid diet, chicken broth, green

juice, sugar free jello, etc to see if a break from solid food would

help. Has anyone done something like that?

--- In , Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...>

wrote:

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> I get it in the very pure powder form from Jarrow. It comes with a

scoop inside and I just take it about 5 days out of 7 or so. I like

to give my