Re: Weight loss

[Guest guest]

Hi Robyn,

At 17:06 02/12/02, you wrote:

>OK, I know this is tough, but what do you say to those patients who

>really cannot restrict their diet any further and are unable to

>exercise, yet must lose weight? We must all have patients like this,

>and the glib answer of " Eat less, do more " is often unrealistic.

>Are

>there any supplements or anything that anyone has found at all useful?

Stop dieting - I lost 2 and a half stone when I finally did. Dieting not

only turns down your metabolism but makes you obsess about food, so there

is a tendency to binge and consume more (invariably carbohydrates) overall.

I presume you have ruled out hypothyroidism and insulin-resistance in your

patient?

all the best,

Krystyna

>Robyn

>herbalist@...

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>List Owner

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>

>Graham White, MNIMH

>

>

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on 2/12/02 6:06 pm, Robyn at herbalist@... wrote:

OK, I know this is tough, but what do you say to those patients who

really cannot restrict their diet any further and are unable to

exercise, yet must lose weight? We must all have patients like this,

and the glib answer of " Eat less, do more " is often unrealistic. Are

there any supplements or anything that anyone has found at all useful?

Anecdotal accounts very welcome!

One patient is asking me about HGH - a version of growth hormone

apparently - my reflex response is to steer well clear, but I have

nothing else to offer her, she cannot change her diet or exercise, and

she really could do with losing weight! Does anyone know anything about

this one?

Robyn

herbalist@...

Several thoughts on this one Robyn; are they eating cos they're depressed?,

(dieting can lower serotonin levels and add to the dieting vicious circle

thing); have you tried Guggul?, I thought this one sounded promising, there

is an informative posting from Stuart in the archives. I've just bought some

but haven't tried it yet

Anecdotally I had good success with one very large patient, we worked

through numerous problems, most distressing first, starting with

thrombophlebitis, then flooding, then work related exhaustion and depression

(night shifts in an overstretched residential home), and finally focussed

purely on the weight, having given lifestyle and dietary advice at onset of

treatment. Nothing seemed to happen for a long time, but then something must

have tipped the balance, she started taking the dog for long walks, got

loads more energy and the weight just dropped off. (She still has a very

full life, demanding job, large family, low wages, so it can't be easy to

fit the exercise in, but she no longer gets depressed and was below her

target weight last time I saw her).

I think her story reinforces my hope that the herbs tend eventually to help

people reach a point where they can see a way to change their life style to

one that suits their health.

Best wishes

Sally

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Hi Robyn

After efforting with raw food/increased exercise regimes for the many

significantly overweight, which frankly achieved very little, I've devised a

simple eat/breathe/move advice sheet based upon the high volume, low fat diet

created by Powter. This has proved much more helpful - as one lady put

it she can eat real food in real quantities rather than toy with a lettuce

leaf and diet dressing... I've included suggestions such as slow down, chew

more, eat when relaxed etc etc (contact me off-list if you would like a

copy).

For those who find even this too like hard work, Solgar Ref Manual

Encyclopaedia of amino acids lists 2 with potential application to weight

control: Acetyl L-carnitine (ALC) (contraindicated in

pregnancy/breastfeeding) and L-Carnitine (no contraindications noted); both

the above also list enhanced aerobic endurance to exercise.

Hope you and the family are fine, look forward to catching up with you in

Glasgow

Best wishes

Florabel

[Guest guest]

Dear Robyn,

Purely anecdotal... Water is really great (drinking it cold is more tricky

this time of year) often the 'pangs' of hunger are confused with the thirst

reflex, which in our society of diuretic abusers is somewhat confused in most

people! Encouraging patients to drink water (or herb tea) when they feel

'hungry' and then see if they still are is often worth a shot...

Alternative- could try looking at types of food- have you heard of the 'Eat

right for your type' book, it focuses on diet from an evolutionary point of

veiw relating to blood types, e.g when each type evolved and what the people

of the time were eating. Worth a try if all else isn't working.

Good Luck, Hannah Barton .

[Guest guest]

I lost 15 pounds so far, and since August 29, which is when I found out that my

liver disease progressed to stage 3 - 4, grade 2, with mild cirrhosis. I lost my

appetitie. I gave up my morning pastry and my afternoon chocolate.

Colleen

Bob Aragon wrote:

Between July 06 and Dec. 06, I lost 100 lbs. I would not recommend my method

to anyone. My hair started falling out, and still is to this day. I basically

could not eat because of pain and nausea. Since I went on pain management, I

have a good appetite and love eating, but I now eat a pretty heart healthy diet.

I have stabilized, but my hepatologist has told me that a liver transplant at

this weight would be impossible. I am 5 10 and a half, and weigh 250. I'm fairly

sure that this is not what you had in mind, but what can I say. I love to chime

in. :-)

Weight Loss

Many have posted about the battle to lose weight to help their liver

heal and I've read where some have lost 30 pounds plus.

I was just curious, since that's a significant amount of weight, how

long did it take, and what did you do to lose it? Was it hard? Easy,

because you were motivated? Does anyone have any stories they would

like to share?

The reason why I ask, is because I think weight and diet have play a

big role in the functions of the liver and there may be members who

are suffering from Fatty Liver or NASH that might benefit from others

experiences at losing weight or improving their diet.

I myself could probably benefit from losing some love handles myself :-)

MaC

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Colleen, I'm so sorry you have lost your appetite. I don't know if the weight

loss is good or bad, but either " good for you, dear, or ooooh, bummer. "

Whichever is appropriate. I hope you can find some kind of solace. I have

adopted many things that bring me joy, even though my past enjoyments have all

become so impossible right now. I love to blog, and in doing so, get to vent, or

relate interesting things, keep people up to date about what I'm going through,

without having it be talked about all the time.

I have become a coffee drinker, and have yet to find any negative things about

it regarding cirrhosis, so I am now a Starbucks connoisseur.

Weight Loss

Many have posted about the battle to lose weight to help their liver

heal and I've read where some have lost 30 pounds plus.

I was just curious, since that's a significant amount of weight, how

long did it take, and what did you do to lose it? Was it hard? Easy,

because you were motivated? Does anyone have any stories they would

like to share?

The reason why I ask, is because I think weight and diet have play a

big role in the functions of the liver and there may be members who

are suffering from Fatty Liver or NASH that might benefit from others

experiences at losing weight or improving their diet.

I myself could probably benefit from losing some love handles myself :-)

MaC

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Good Job!!

MsTigerHawk wrote: I

lost 15 pounds so far, and since August 29, which is when I found out that my

liver disease progressed to stage 3 - 4, grade 2, with mild cirrhosis. I lost my

appetitie. I gave up my morning pastry and my afternoon chocolate.

Colleen

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The weight loss is a very good thing. Doc said losing weight would definitely

help the fatty liver to disipate. Overweight people don't seem to do as well on

treatment for hepatitis C.

I'm a Diet Coke connoisseur. I probably ought to switch to apple juice.

Colleen

Bob Aragon wrote:

Colleen, I'm so sorry you have lost your appetite. I don't know if the weight

loss is good or bad, but either " good for you, dear, or ooooh, bummer. "

Whichever is appropriate. I hope you can find some kind of solace. I have

adopted many things that bring me joy, even though my past enjoyments have all

become so impossible right now. I love to blog, and in doing so, get to vent, or

relate interesting things, keep people up to date about what I'm going through,

without having it be talked about all the time.

I have become a coffee drinker, and have yet to find any negative things about

it regarding cirrhosis, so I am now a Starbucks connoisseur.

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I was so scared by my abuse of alcohol, and what it can do, that I swore off of

diet pop, and I LOVED diet pepsi. The flavor of sugar always grossed me out .But

diet with aspartame converts to ethanol over time, and definately during

digestion, so I switched to only Hanson's diet rootbeer which uses natural

flavor and splenda. There are many negative things about splenda, but not from

what I consider mainstream sources, just fringe sources.

Re: Weight Loss

The weight loss is a very good thing. Doc said losing weight would

definitely help the fatty liver to disipate. Overweight people don't seem to do

as well on treatment for hepatitis C.

I'm a Diet Coke connoisseur. I probably ought to switch to apple juice.

Colleen

Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Colleen, I'm so sorry you have lost your appetite. I don't know if the weight

loss is good or bad, but either " good for you, dear, or ooooh, bummer. "

Whichever is appropriate. I hope you can find some kind of solace. I have

adopted many things that bring me joy, even though my past enjoyments have all

become so impossible right now. I love to blog, and in doing so, get to vent, or

relate interesting things, keep people up to date about what I'm going through,

without having it be talked about all the time.

I have become a coffee drinker, and have yet to find any negative things about

it regarding cirrhosis, so I am now a Starbucks connoisseur.

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****

http://groups. Yahoo.com/ group/Humorous_ Heppers

[Guest guest]

Apple Juice in moderation would be ok but remember that fruit juices are full of

sugar and calories. Probably more than what's in a diet coke.

MsTigerHawk wrote: The

weight loss is a very good thing. Doc said losing weight would definitely help

the fatty liver to disipate. Overweight people don't seem to do as well on

treatment for hepatitis C.

I'm a Diet Coke connoisseur. I probably ought to switch to apple juice.

Colleen

Bob Aragon wrote:

Colleen, I'm so sorry you have lost your appetite. I don't know if the weight

loss is good or bad, but either " good for you, dear, or ooooh, bummer. "

Whichever is appropriate. I hope you can find some kind of solace. I have

adopted many things that bring me joy, even though my past enjoyments have all

become so impossible right now. I love to blog, and in doing so, get to vent, or

relate interesting things, keep people up to date about what I'm going through,

without having it be talked about all the time.

I have become a coffee drinker, and have yet to find any negative things about

it regarding cirrhosis, so I am now a Starbucks connoisseur.

*************************************************************

http://groups.Yahoo.com/group/Humorous_Heppers