Re: good lotion recipe, please

January 1, 2001

<<TEA 99 at 1-1.3% depending on the percentage of

stearic acid in your formula>>

what is TEA and what will it do to the stearic acid? I have a problem

with stearic acid in that I don't know when to stop to make it thick enough.

Is this what the TEA does in some form (what am I saying?).

Alright what is a <<You will need to stabilize your product with a small

amount of

carbomer>>?

And the $60 question what is methylparaben and the other poly....xxxxparaben

anyway?

What the heck thickens a lotion? Last time I tried lechithin (raw form not

liquid) I had to dump a ton in there to get it to thicken. Do most products

use the liquid form of this (just found it at the HFS after months of

digging.)?

Getting a headache.

Jackie

January 1, 2001

In a message dated 1/1/01 7:39:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, @...

writes:

> Keep your oil phase percentage to 10% or less.

Does this mean 90 percent water?

Jackie

January 1, 2001

Christy,

First off honey is water soluble and should go in the water phase not the

oil phase. Next, I have no idea what you are referring to with ewax or palm

stearic. Neither of these is a correct description of an ingredient. Making

an educated guess about palm stearic this is Bill Wallace BS for stearic

acid. If you want to make a lotion then use your stearic acid at 3-5% W/W

and neutralize this with TEA 99 at 1-1.3% depending on the percentage of

stearic acid in your formula. Do not use borax for a lotion. Its primary

function is to make W/O beeswax/borax creams. You are looking to make an O/W

lotion. You will need to stabilize your product with a small amount of

carbomer. The pH of your finished product should be 7.2 +/- 0.5.

Keep your oil phase percentage to 10% or less. As you increase the percent

of your oil phase the viscosity will rise. The use of the carbomer will

allow you to keep the oil phase low and stabilize the emulsion at the same

time.

Young

KY Labs

Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products

www.kylabs.com

good lotion recipe, please

Hi everyone..

I would like a good, simple lotion emulsion recipe. I'm doing pretty

good with creams, but I want a thinner consistency, one with more water for

all-over body. The one I have tends to separate either during or after

beating. My available ingredients are various vegetable oils, shea

butter, xantham gum, borax, emulsifying wax, beeswax, palm stearic, eo's,

and

fo's. Oh, and I like to add a bit of honey to the oil phase. Can

fo's cause a lotion to separate? Thank you!!!!!

Christy

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January 1, 2001

> Does this mean 90 percent water?

It means 90% water phase which could include many ingredients like Carbomer,

glycerin, aloe, etc.

Pat.

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January 2, 2001

In a message dated 1/1/01 4:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, @...

writes:

<< First off honey is water soluble and should go in the water phase not the

oil phase. Next, I have no idea what you are referring to with ewax or palm

stearic. Neither of these is a correct description of an ingredient. Making

an educated guess about palm stearic this is Bill Wallace BS for stearic

acid. >>

..

My first instinct was to add the honey to the water phase, but someone else

told me to add it to the oil phase..that could be part of my problem.

Now on the ewax...I purchased it, and that's what it's called...emulsifying

wax, and yes, the palm stearic is actually stearic acid. I have a

toiletry-making book that refers to emulsifying wax in many of the recipes.

Quote from book: " Vegetable emulsifying wax can be either plant-or

petroleum-based. In either case, the wax is treated with a detergent (such

as sodium laurel sulfate, or SLS) or polysorbates (fatty acid esters), in

order to cause oil and water to bind together into a smooth emulsion. "

Does that help? Thx for the tips!

Christy

January 2, 2001

In a message dated 1/1/01 7:30:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,

JCrobin838@... writes:

<< What the heck thickens a lotion? Last time I tried lechithin (raw form

not

liquid) I had to dump a ton in there to get it to thicken. Do most products

use the liquid form of this (just found it at the HFS after months of

digging.)?

Getting a headache.

Jackie >>

Jackie...

Me, too..(getting a headache). I've just had to throw out 2 batches.

Luckily they were small (4 oz) and had inexpensive ingredients. I'm

beginning to think I should take a chemistry class (or paid better attention

in college....but that was soooooo long ago, it wouldn't have mattered anyway

<g>)

Christy

January 2, 2001

Christy,

There is a lot of material being sold to home crafters that is not

Emulsifying Wax NF but is other ethoxylated materials. The term ewax is

therefore undefined or at best improperly defined. Emulsifying Wax NF is

clearly defined in the current USP/NF available in the reference section of

your library. The material that you have purchased may or may not be

Emulsifying Wax NF. Just because a material has a waxy appearance and has

been modified to act as an emulsifier does not mean that it is Emulsifying

Wax NF. In fact, the many different materials being sold as ewax may act

differently from vendor to vendor due to the differences in the chemical

composition. Clearly then this could be part of the ongoing problems that

you are having with your emulsions. Use up your current source of material

and then only purchase material that is properly identified with the trade

name and INCI name. It should have a set of product specifications and an

MSDS.

Once you have resolved that problems then I will be able to assist you with

greater clarity in accomplishing your goals.

Young

KY Labs

Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products

www.kylabs.com

Re: good lotion recipe, please

In a message dated 1/1/01 4:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, @...

writes:

<< First off honey is water soluble and should go in the water phase not the

oil phase. Next, I have no idea what you are referring to with ewax or palm

stearic. Neither of these is a correct description of an ingredient. Making

an educated guess about palm stearic this is Bill Wallace BS for stearic

acid. >>

..

My first instinct was to add the honey to the water phase, but someone

else