Re: food processing

[Guest guest]

Hi , I hope we are not getting into another issue like the eggs. I will try to answer your question from common knowledge. In the snack department the things they roast and salt in my area are sunflower seeds, popcorn seeds, cashews, redskins, almonds, regular peanuts, maybe more. These can be bought unsalted and unroasted. Walnuts, raisins, redskins, peanuts, almonds, and popcorn are sometimes candy coated. Refined sugars as you know go immediately into the blood stream causing imbalances, and causes high blood sugar when there is no exercise completed or contemplated. Someone wanting to lose weight might be doing good in terms of meal planning, but every thing goes to hell over salty and surgar coated snacks that have no vitamins and minerals left after the food processing. I think you would agree sugar and salt is taboo in any

healty diet plan. Any processed food is suspect in my opinion, including dried fruits. I think if you go into any bulk food store you will find cold pressed nut oils, seed oils, vegetable oils, and olive oils, suggesting the heat process changes the fat from one original safe oil to a harmful oil that causes problems in the body Like I said before I wish I was a nutritionist and a trainer, and I would know more about these things. I do not do any large snacking now, other than oatmeal raisin cookies and a donut or oatmeal bar with my coffee. I make blanket statements from from what I observe being sold in the bulk food stores, healthy section only. The food processing companies turn food grade oats(horse and animal feed) into ganola bars loaded with refined surgars, suspect oils and fruit. I do not begrudge anyone making money, but make it healthy without refined sugars and over

cooking. These food companies turn pennies into billion dollar operations and peddle their products to the general public as necessity for a healthy lifestyle. I get sucked into the advertising game when the granola bars are put on sale. best regards - Bill P.S. I won't go hunting for studies on this topic since it is generally accepted public knowledge that oils are good and harmful depending on how they become an oil, from which source, which plant and wether they are cooked or heated. comedycook@... wrote: In a message dated 4/8/2006 10:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Beware of cooking and Roasting the nuts and seeds, this can alter the natual oils in them to change to harmful fats and destroy natural vitamins and minerals.Thanks for the information. I love to eat nuts because they raise blood sugar slowly and are very good for you. Meaning no disrespect, do you have any good science to back up your above statement? I would be interested in switching to raw if I had a good source of information to corroborate that. Thanks, Comedycook

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[Guest guest]

Ok the thing on the granola bars made me think of the yogurts.

my local Winco shopping store now has 1 entire aisle dedicated to

yogurts. Not a single one of these yogurt brands except for 's,

does not include high fructose corn syrup & articifical flavors,

colors or sweeteners.

my favorite brand is Cascade Fresh. Which no one sells now except

Krogers QFC & Wild Oats because people stopped buying it because it

was more expensive. It also used to contain whole strawberries in

their strawberry flavor. I was all in favor of paying 10 cents more

for whole fruit in mine, but a lot of people prefer cheap over good.

Cascade had to scale back the whole fruit because they couldnt compete

with the costs

Cascade Fresh yogurt is naturally fruit & fruit juice sweetened and

contains 1/2 of the sugar content of all the other major brands

(except s). I like s, but I find i cant really eat plain

yogurt anymore and I dont always have the time to slice up fresh fruit

to put in it to make it palatable for my son.

the marketing of 'junk' yogurt as a nutritious snack to parents is the

same type of marketing they have been using for 'junk' granola.

but i do have a plug for dried fruit. Wild Oats has dried fruit that

has been naturally dried with no additives. They dont heat dry the

fruit and they dont add color preservatives. They usually add vitamin

C though as a preservative. I eat the Mango because I tend to not get

enough vitamin A in my diet. It's also the easiest thing to take on a

day trip.

laurie

>

> Hi ,

>

> The food processing companies turn food grade oats(horse and

animal feed) into ganola bars loaded with refined surgars, suspect

oils and fruit. I do not begrudge anyone making money, but make it

healthy without refined sugars and over cooking. These food companies

turn pennies into billion dollar operations and peddle their products

to the general public as necessity for a healthy lifestyle. I get

sucked into the advertising game when the granola bars are put on

sale. best regards - Bill

>

>

[Guest guest]

Now remember, I'm not a doctor, expert or anything...It's just my opinion and you know, it's absolutely free....but I will always believe sugar was put on earth for our good...we've just misused it. Beth

Beth

You are right about sugar needed but not the processed sugars. We can get every bit of the sugar we need from fruits, vegetables and grain. Processed sugar does one of to things to everyone that eats it "Everyone". We either spike our blood sugar or our insulin. Both do harm. Natural sugars causes less dramitic spikes.

Have a wonderful day.

[Guest guest]

Processed sugar is a desire as well...I find that putting a banana in my oatmeal or some peach slices is more then sufficient sweetener, and has the benefit of being good for me!

Jane

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with you. White sugar is definitely not good for you. I only use sugar sparingly, just put some in my coffee. Otherwise if you are concerned about your health, white sugar and also white flour are not really good for you. Of course small amounts will not hurt you but most people eat way too much of it

Bern

It's my opinion based on living a long time and reading many different medical research papers. All processed carbohydrates are detrimental to good health with sugar being the most destructive. I believe every single spoon of processed sugar does some harm to our body. It might be years before this becomes apparent Depending on which of our major organs is the most damaged. Others may tire of reading this subject so this will be my last note on it unless I need to answer direct questions.

Blessings

[Guest guest]

- I agree with you on everything except sugar. I believe in moderation sugar is not a bad thing...in fact, it's not even fatening if used by teaspoons. I think sugar gets a bad rap because it is OVER used. It's just a hard thing to use in moderation, and I think that's why many diets do away with it altogether. Now remember, I'm not a doctor, expert or anything...It's just my opinion and you know, it's absolutely free....but I will always believe sugar was put on earth for our good...we've just misused it. Bethwilliam regan wrote: Hi , I hope we are not getting into another issue like the eggs. I will try to answer your question from common

knowledge. In the snack department the things they roast and salt in my area are sunflower seeds, popcorn seeds, cashews, redskins, almonds, regular peanuts, maybe more. These can be bought unsalted and unroasted. Walnuts, raisins, redskins, peanuts, almonds, and popcorn are sometimes candy coated. Refined sugars as you know go immediately into the blood stream causing imbalances, and causes high blood sugar when there is no exercise completed or contemplated. Someone wanting to lose weight might be doing good in terms of meal planning, but every thing goes to hell over salty and surgar coated snacks that have no vitamins and minerals left after the food processing. I think you would agree sugar and salt is taboo in any healty diet plan. Any processed food is suspect in my opinion, including dried fruits. I think if you go into any bulk food store you will find cold

pressed nut oils, seed oils, vegetable oils, and olive oils, suggesting the heat process changes the fat from one original safe oil to a harmful oil that causes problems in the body Like I said before I wish I was a nutritionist and a trainer, and I would know more about these things. I do not do any large snacking now, other than oatmeal raisin cookies and a donut or oatmeal bar with my coffee. I make blanket statements from from what I observe being sold in the bulk food stores, healthy section only. The food processing companies turn food grade oats(horse and animal feed) into ganola bars loaded with refined surgars, suspect oils and fruit. I do not begrudge anyone making money, but make it healthy without refined sugars and over cooking. These food companies turn pennies into billion dollar operations and peddle their products to the general public as necessity for a healthy

lifestyle. I get sucked into the advertising game when the granola bars are put on sale. best regards - Bill P.S. I won't go hunting for studies on this topic since it is generally accepted public knowledge that oils are good and harmful depending on how they become an oil, from which source, which plant and wether they are cooked or heated. comedycook@... wrote: In a message dated 4/8/2006 10:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Beware of cooking and Roasting the

nuts and seeds, this can alter the natual oils in them to change to harmful fats and destroy natural vitamins and minerals.Thanks for the information. I love to eat nuts because they raise blood sugar slowly and are very good for you. Meaning no disrespect, do you have any good science to back up your above statement? I would be interested in switching to raw if I had a good source of information to corroborate that. Thanks, Comedycook Enrich your life at Yahoo! Canada Finance

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And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had never heard of chocolate!!!

Beth chocolate is really good for us. I use the cocoa with no added sugar. I make a shake with low carb milk, cocoa powder and add one banana. It's very tasty. Sometime I heat up a cup and have hot chocolate.

Hugs

[Guest guest]

, Does the banana give the chocolate enough sugar to make it sweet? I may try that tomorrow...1 banana, lowfat milk, and how much cocoa? Bethdougpapa@... wrote: And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had never heard of chocolate!!! Beth chocolate is really good for us. I use the cocoa with no added sugar. I make a shake with low carb milk, cocoa powder and add one banana. It's very tasty. Sometime I heat up a cup and have hot chocolate. Hugs

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Yes, I love splenda...and use it a lot. However, I've never baked with it or used it for my jams and jellies...I should experiment with it for my jam...Jams and jellies are so touchy about jelling, I didn't know if splenda would work with them. Bethsbrown857@... wrote: Hi All: I make my shakes with crushed ice. I have a manual ice crusher and I put a whole ice tray of ice in it and turn the handle and crush it. I put it all in a blender and

blend it - the shake comes out really nice and thick and very tasty.I never use sugar at the table and if I bake cookies - I use whole wheat flour, wheat bran, oat bran and most of the time either brown sugar or molasses for sweetener. Have any of you ever used Splenda? It tastes just like sugar to meI use it in iced tea. Shirley from Southern Illinois , Does the banana give the chocolate enough sugar to make it sweet? I may try that tomorrow...1 banana, lowfat milk, and how much

cocoa? Bethdougpapa@... wrote: And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had never heard of chocolate!!!Beth chocolate is really good for us. I use the cocoa with no added sugar. I make a shake with low carb milk, cocoa powder and add one banana. It's very tasty. Sometime I heat up a cup and have hot chocolate.Hugs Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. http://www.thefatmanwalking.com/Keep walking Steve!!!

[Guest guest]

Beth, You can ask at the store where you buy splenda. Maybe, they even have some receipes. Just a thought.Beth Lackey wrote: Yes, I love splenda...and use it a lot. However, I've never baked with it or used it for my jams and jellies...I should experiment with it for my jam...Jams and jellies are so touchy about jelling, I didn't know if splenda would work with them. Bethsbrown857@... wrote: Hi All: I make my shakes with crushed ice. I have a manual ice crusher and I put a whole ice tray of ice in it and turn the handle and crush it. I put it all in a blender and blend it - the shake comes out really nice and thick and very tasty.I never use sugar at the table and if I bake cookies - I use whole wheat flour, wheat bran, oat bran and most of the time either brown sugar or molasses for sweetener. Have any of you ever used Splenda? It tastes just like sugar to meI use it in iced tea. Shirley from Southern Illinois , Does the banana give the chocolate enough sugar to make it sweet? I may try that tomorrow...1 banana, lowfat milk, and how much cocoa? Bethdougpapa@... wrote: And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had never heard of

chocolate!!!Beth chocolate is really good for us. I use the cocoa with no added sugar. I make a shake with low carb milk, cocoa powder and add one banana. It's very tasty. Sometime I heat up a cup and have hot chocolate.Hugs Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. http://www.thefatmanwalking.com/Keep walking Steve!!!

[Guest guest]

Bill...

I was given the book, Sugar Blues to read. What an ear opener that was. Early settlers (European/Americans) didn't eat sugar originally. It was only after their discovery of sugar cane. It was stored in barrels at the local trading post. They used to give free samples with each purchase/trade. The author likened it to how drug pushers get people hooked on drugs...by giving free samples until the person is hooked. Then they start charging you. The author considered sugar a drug- saying it gives you a high but when it wears off, it gives you a low. And just try to get off it. You do suffer withdrawals. Just a piece of trivia I thought I would share.

Maggie

I think we need to understand why surgar is used by the food makers. Obviously to make it taste sweet is one reason, some people like the sweet taste.

[Guest guest]

,In your post part of which is below, the IODINE comment is a bit confusing.

What forgot to tell. Is this can be a test as well as a remedy.

You apply the iodine. Check the spot in 24 hours. If the stain is gone it indicates your body needed the iodine. Continue to do this daily until the stain remains for 24 hours. I tried the test because my basil body temperature was to low. The test indicated low thyroid function so I have been taking Iosil every since. Under no circumstances are we to injest regular iodine.

[Guest guest]

The painting of the skin with Iodine, is this to add Iodine to you system by absorption through the skin OR is this the test for lack of Iodine. In either case "how do you test/know if you have a lack of Iodine?"

It does both Gerard. See my previous post.

[Guest guest]

I have used the brown sugar splenda on sweet potatoes and it is excellent.sbrown857@... wrote: Hi All: I make my shakes with crushed ice. I have a manual ice crusher and I put a whole ice tray of ice in it and turn the handle and crush it. I put it all in a blender and blend it - the shake comes out really nice and thick and very tasty.I never use sugar at the table and if I bake cookies - I use whole wheat flour, wheat bran, oat bran and most of the time either brown sugar or molasses for sweetener. Have any of you ever used Splenda? It tastes just like sugar to meI use it in iced tea. Shirley from Southern Illinois , Does the banana give the chocolate enough sugar to make it sweet? I may try that tomorrow...1 banana, lowfat milk, and how much cocoa? Bethdougpapa@... wrote: And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had never heard of chocolate!!!Beth chocolate is really good for us. I use the cocoa with no added sugar. I make a shake with low carb milk, cocoa powder and add one banana. It's very tasty. Sometime I heat up a cup and have hot chocolate.Hugs Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. http://www.thefatmanwalking.com/Keep walking Steve!!!

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bernd, I am not a fatty, greasy person and I forget about that and

what is out of site is out of mind. I am connected to a couple of

organizations in the US which are geared to the health industry. One is The

Better Life Institute and the Nutilite Corp which is owned by a holding

company called Alticor Inc. Alticor has just purchased controlling interest

in Interleukin Inc, a DNA testing lab in Boston, Mass. USA. They are now

offering DNA test kits for general nutrition and for your heart. Our health

care system is now getting more and more fine tuned all the time and it's

about time. By the time we get to early detection it's almost too late

you've already got the problem. We are trying to get people who might have

a problem to counteract it before it arrives on scene. I lost my mother

about 15 months ago to colon cancer at 81 and I miss her and if she had had

a test like this 5 years ago we might not have lost her so soon. I don't

know if they have anything like that over in Munich but it might be worth

looking around. Take Care and may God bless. Sincerely Carl French

Hamilton Ontario Canada

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>Reply-To: thefatmanwalking_group

>To: thefatmanwalking_group

>Subject: Re: Re: food processing

>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:25:55 +0200 (CEST)

>

>Carl,

> You definitely have not bored me. I know that the average american

>consumes that amount of sugar and salt. We did a project on nutrition back

>when I was still in school and they showed us how much sugar is there in

>for example one soda or one candy bar, maybe you do not even want to know.

> There are three types of tastes which you can take to an extreme:

> -sweet

> -salty

> -fatty, greasy

>

> If you look at an average fast food meal you will see what I mean, they

>are loaded with sugar, grease and salt.Anyone concerned about their health

>should limit the intake, remember there is almost always a lot of sugar,

>salt and fat in highly processed foods.

>

> Bernd (Munich, Germany)

[Guest guest]

,

In your post part of which is below, the IODINE comment is a bit

confusing.

" A few months ago I was told how to test for lack a of iodine... "

" ...The problem was solved by painting a two inch square of iodine

on my skin a couple of times a week, (just like what we used when we

were kids for a small cut or scratch). "

The painting of the skin with Iodine, is this to add Iodine to you

system by absorption through the skin OR is this the test for lack

of Iodine. In either case " how do you test/know if you have a lack

of Iodine? "

Gerard

>

> Hello Everyone,

(Clip)================

> Okay the following thoughts are just my two cents worth on a few

subjects some of which have already been talked about on the group

posts.

(Clip)================

> IODINE -

> Now this next tip is huge!!!! A few months ago I was told how

to test for lack a of iodine. This has worked well for me so I'm

sharing it with all of you. For some years now I have tried not to

consume salt. In doing so I omitted (without really thinking about

it) iodine from my regular diet. The problem was solved by painting

a two inch square of iodine on my skin a couple of times a week,

(just like what we used when we were kids for a small cut or

scratch). Iodine deficiency can result in goiter and/or

hypothyroidism, a medical condition which often causes weight gain

and goes undetected.

(Clip)================

[Guest guest]

Bernd - Thanks...I tend to agree. I try to live healthy...try hard...but I do backslide from time to time...I know it's weird...but sometimes when I eat fast food my body goes into some "fast gear" to digest it and get rid of it quickly. That happens if I cheat ONE MEAL. But if I cheat 2 days on fast food...my body holds on to the overdose of grease, salt, fat, etc. I have no idea why! So I just try and never eat fast food, unless I'm at a birthday party, some event where it's expected. Beth Bernd Boecken wrote: Beth, A little bit of sugar in your tea or

coffee surely will not hurt you in any way. The problem is that most people eat way too much sugar. Besides I understand you work or live on a farm, farmers are usually the healthiest people around. Bernd (Munich, Germany)Beth Lackey schrieb: - You are SO right - too much of any sugar...natural or refined is bad. Moderation is the key...and you have so many food corporations pushing sugar coated everything...it's terrible. Kids today don't know what blackberries with milk taste like...or peaches and cream...But I do put sugar in my tea and when I make a pie I do use sugar...but those are limited treats, after much walking or working around the farm. And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had

never heard of chocolate!!! Beth dougpapa@... wrote: Now remember, I'm not a doctor, expert or anything...It's just my opinion and you know, it's absolutely free....but I will always believe sugar was put on earth for our good...we've just misused it. Beth Beth You are right about sugar needed but not the processed sugars. We can get every bit of the sugar we need from fruits, vegetables and grain. Processed sugar does one of to things to everyone that eats it "Everyone". We either spike our blood sugar or our insulin. Both do harm. Natural sugars causes less dramitic spikes. Have a wonderful day. Telefonieren Sie ohne weitere Kosten mit Ihren Freunden von PC zu

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Hey Gerard, Sorry about that my bad. To early in the day for me I guess. Yes, the original test is to paint the two inch square on your soft skin. (forearm, stomach, inner thigh, etc.) If it fades within a couple of hours you are iodine deficient. The stain should last for a 24 hour period. I paint the two inch square on the inside of my arm about two inches below my elbow in the morning when getting ready for work. I do rotate from right side to left side. I allow the iodine to dry fully before getting dressed because the stuff can really stain. I now do this as a routine 2 or 3 times a week. The first time I did this the stain did not even last a couple of hours. It is one of the things that has really helped me out. Hope this helps you too. mr_quiet_1944 wrote: ,In your post part of which is below, the IODINE comment is a bit confusing."A few months ago I was told how to test for lack a of iodine...""...The problem was solved by painting a two inch square of iodine on my skin a couple of times a week, (just like what we used when we were kids for a small cut or scratch)."The painting of the skin with Iodine, is this to add Iodine to you system by absorption through the skin OR is this the test for lack of Iodine. In either case "how do you test/know if you have a lack of Iodine?"Gerard>> Hello Everyone,(Clip)================

> Okay the following thoughts are just my two cents worth on a few subjects some of which have already been talked about on the group posts.(Clip)================ > IODINE - > Now this next tip is huge!!!! A few months ago I was told how to test for lack a of iodine. This has worked well for me so I'm sharing it with all of you. For some years now I have tried not to consume salt. In doing so I omitted (without really thinking about it) iodine from my regular diet. The problem was solved by painting a two inch square of iodine on my skin a couple of times a week, (just like what we used when we were kids for a small cut or scratch). Iodine deficiency can result in goiter and/or hypothyroidism, a medical condition which often causes weight gain and goes

undetected.(Clip)================

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I used to make shakes with crushed ice and my blender didn't crush ice cubes well either. I was able to buy ice cube trays that made small ice cubes and they easily broke up in the blender. I brought it at a Wal-mart/k-mart type of store.

Elaine

Good Morning : Doe's your blender crush the ice really fine? I have tried crush the ice in my blender but it doesn't do a very good job. I don't think I have ever seen a vita-mix blender - where would I find one. I would love one that would do everything at once.

[Guest guest]

Beth, Everybody gets weak once in a while. As long as you are generally on track there should not be all too much of a problem. Eating fast food once in a while will not kill you but there are so many people who eat it every day.Take a look at the parking lot at any Mcs, there are so many people who cannot even fit into a normal car. BerndBeth Lackey schrieb: Bernd - Thanks...I tend to agree. I try to live healthy...try hard...but I do backslide from time to time...I know it's weird...but sometimes when I eat fast food my body goes into some "fast gear" to digest it and get rid of it quickly. That happens if I cheat ONE MEAL. But if I cheat 2 days on fast food...my body holds on to

the overdose of grease, salt, fat, etc. I have no idea why! So I just try and never eat fast food, unless I'm at a birthday party, some event where it's expected. Beth Bernd Boecken wrote: Beth, A little bit of sugar in your tea or coffee surely will not hurt you in any way. The problem is that most people eat way too much sugar. Besides I understand you work or live on a farm, farmers are usually the healthiest people around. Bernd (Munich, Germany)Beth Lackey schrieb: - You are SO right - too much of any sugar...natural or refined is bad. Moderation is the key...and you have so many food corporations pushing sugar coated everything...it's terrible. Kids today don't know what blackberries with milk taste like...or peaches and cream...But I do put sugar in my tea and when I make a pie I do use sugar...but those are limited treats, after much walking or working around the farm. And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had never heard of chocolate!!! Beth dougpapa@... wrote: Now

remember, I'm not a doctor, expert or anything...It's just my opinion and you know, it's absolutely free....but I will always believe sugar was put on earth for our good...we've just misused it. Beth Beth You are right about sugar needed but not the processed sugars. We can get every bit of the sugar we need from fruits, vegetables and grain. Processed sugar does one of to things to everyone that eats it "Everyone". We either spike our blood sugar or our insulin. Both do harm. Natural sugars causes less dramitic spikes. Have a wonderful day. Telefonieren Sie ohne weitere Kosten mit Ihren Freunden von PC zu PC!Jetzt Yahoo! Messenger installieren! Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

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Thanks for the info & do you recomend any specific body location for the Iodine painting location?

Gerard

I applied it to my lower stomach, off to the side and moved the spot every day. It can be irrating to some people that is why I didn't use one spot all the time.

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Beth, 100%. I also feel that a little sugar is much more safer than all these artifical sweetners...all of the ones used in the past caused cancer & Nutri Sweet makes some people ill right away (I get migranes from it). I always feel the best things to use or eat is what God put on this earth.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

D.,

Thanks for the info & do you recomend any specific body location for

the Iodine painting location?

Gerard

>

>

> In a message dated 4/12/2006 10:53:12 AM Central Standard Time,

> mr_quiet_1944@... writes:

>

> ,

>

> In your post part of which is below, the IODINE comment is a bit

> confusing.

>

>

>

>

> What forgot to tell. Is this can be a test as well as a

> remedy. You apply the iodine. Check the spot in 24 hours. If the

> stain is gone it indicates your body needed the iodine. Continue

> to do this daily until the stain remains for 24 hours. I tried

> the test because my basil body temperature was to low. The test

> indicated low thyroid function so I have been taking Iosil

> every since. Under no circumstances are we to injest regular

> iodine.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

These sound like good tips. I will try them and see how it goes. Thank you.

Maggie

1) brush my tooth inmediately when I end eating my lunch or dinner..... my stomach and my mind (the rebel one) will understand that when tooth are brushed, meal is OVER.

2) drink a cup of tea with quite artificial sweetener... more than usual.

It works for me.... even if these sounds silly.