Re: Premise of Project for Internal Surveys about psychological etiology hypothe

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Can u post neurologistis's name? thank you bruno.

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> Alright, I give up. I already fixed an appointment with this olistic

neurologist, since suggested medications on this and other sites as well

(propeciahelp et.) are just plain too much, and even if natural supplements are

way less dangerous than medications, they may just be useless if not used

correctly, and maybe even worse than just useless. I'll let him handle this

stuff. I think he has some kind of bias toward allopathic medicine, he even has

an associated lawyer office, specialized in iatrogenic refunding from damages...

if it is so, then he may very well treat this shit by himself, making a good

diagnosis and a targeted cure. I'll keep you informed, my first visit is on

this Thursday. I hope the next time I'll drop by this site will be to announce

loudly " I'M CURED! " or atleast " I finally found the core dysfunction! " .

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> As for the original topic, he will handle psychological treatment if

necessary, on his website he says he uses hypnosis (NLP school, which is pretty

effective, look for mcKenna's references)

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> So, what do we learn from that? that you should avoid self medication, as

things may get worse, and I'm pretty sure this kind of problem has to be solved

ASAP, before major neurological damage arise! New searches in neurological

studies shows that the brain has a very high degree of " plasticity " as they call

it - very much more than scientists thought just a dozen years so far. You just

have to eliminate any obstacle toward wellness (either physical and mental,

there is not an actual difference)and central/peripheral nervous system will

heal himself, maxing out the effect of health supplements , which are otherwise

just wasted.

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> I'm sure as fuck, and I guess many of you are too, that PSSD is not the main

problem. Some kind of brain/glandular/nerves damage creates it in the first

place. So look for specialists who treats specific neurological and/or endocrine

damage. Right now I found this Dr Lam's site, which has a lot of info on adrenal

fatigue. He himself is specialized in treatment of very specific 'unusual'

illnesses like fybromialgia and hypotiroidisis (I guess I mispelled it, sorry. I

mean low thyroid functioning), which usually " normal " medics are unable to cope

with, and leave you with an " it's all in your tiny, crazy head, let me prescribe

you a psychiatric visit " sentence.

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> So go to a specialized doctor. Tell him about yohimbine, histamine, adrenal

fatigue, neurotransmitter depletion, serotoninergic syndrome, and all your

preferred " hot topic " taken from the internet. See what he knows about. If he

seems to trust you and shows some knowledge in this kind of problem, try to make

a correct diagnosis and see what you can get. If he says you're telling crap, or

that it's ENTIRELY psychological, and you must take neuroleptics to stop

worrying (like my old psychiatrist did) then send him get impaled on a nigger's

cock (no offense to niggers xD jk c'mon)and find another one, possibly more

serious. But if you go from one that is specialized, you should minimize this

occurrence. In fact, I think it is not a matter of allopathic vs olistic

medicine, it's just a matter of how serious of a doctor is treating you. Most

doctors, from what I saw, doesn't really care about health, they are like

technicians of some kind, totally ignorant of their own medications effects, AND

side effects (thats the main reason so PSSD is not yet an official medical

condition, alongside with corporation's corruption and researcher's disinterest

in the matter for economical reason)

> Read books like " what the doctors won't tell you " (lynne mc taggart, it's an

old one though, there are alot more recent) and you may start to make better

decisions for yourself. One has to participate to his own healing, to get

results. Don't expect miracle, they doesn't happen randomly. If you want a

miracle try with a PNEI specialist, which may create you one with the placebo

effect, or maybe analyse connections between neurological damage,

neurotransmitter imbalances and psychological stress, and this may serve you

even better. If only I could have someone like Roy a as my doctor!

> But I'm pretty sure you may find a more-than-decent substitute, maybe not in

your country, you may have to search for him, even in Canada if necessary. But

do it, please do it, I NEED to hear much people possible got cured, I need to

believe in it!

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> I didn't read other posts on this topic, I downloaded the page and read them

in the next days. In the meantime please tell me something about this: it's for

one of my theories about etiology of PSSd, or rather the psychological

implications in etiology.

> During the start of the dysfunction period, even before you stopped the

medication did you had any thought or " feeling " (deep thoughts, the ones that

come from the inconscious) about the fact that you'll never recover? Did you

feel inferior, disadapted, inferior, maybe " a loser " because of the dysfunction,

like very deep in your mind? Also, have you developed some kind of hate toward

sexuality, maybe against libido because of the impossibility to satisfy it?

> This things may be related with my case, so I need to find if is there any

other similar case. Thanks for all your help, it is very appreciated.

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I think part of PSSD could definately be psychosomatic at least I know in my

case it's a possibility. I have a more minor case of PSSD compared to others

here. I took Remeron for a month. About a six month period prior to remeron I

took welbutrin and parnate at separate times trying to find a med that didn't

cause sexual dysfunction. After stopping both of those meds my functioning

returned to normal. The remeron didn't cause me numbness, I can still feel touch

changes of temp ect it just decreased sexual pleasure you would feel if a girl

for example touched it. Also I have experienced decreased orgasmic pleasure. My

sex drive has been different to I still have one but, I would say it's more

sporadic and less of a build up. For example b4 remeron I would experience a

build up of sexual tension the longer I abstained from sex. That doesn't happen

as much anymore. It's more day to day. I'll wake up horny one day and not much

another. Btw it's been 4 months since stopping remeron. The reason it's a

possibility for this to be at least partly pschological for me is because while

I was taking remeron for that month I discovered the wiki page about PSSD. I was

afraid when I found this that I could end up being a victim of this. So this

became a reason why I stopped taking prescription anti depressants. Could it be

a coincidence that I was worried about getting PSSD while on remeron and I ended

up getting it? I don't know the answer but, because I can still function I'm

trying to just live my life and focus on things that rly are effecting my life.

Of course I miss the lost pleasure but, I'm certain with time il get it back.

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> Sorry for bad english, I'm from Italy

> This is a long post, please take your time to read it, maybe read it in 2 or

more days if it's too long, but read it because it is REALLY important

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> Alright alright, I know what many of you are thinking: another dumb fuck

trying to explain it' s just a psychological problem. Well if you think so, you'

re dead wrong, so let me to explain.

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> No doubt PSSD is caused by SSRI exposure, it's so obvious none of you could

ever have a problem like that if you wouldn't never take medication. It is just

plain dead true. I also got adrenal fatigue like most of you does, so it would

be foolish if I claim otherwise.BUT, there are a couple of things one must take

in consideration before throwing psychology out of the window:

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> 1) there is a new science, that in the US arose in the later decades. It is

called PNEI, which stands for something like psycho-neuro-endocrine-immunology.

This science is cutting edge on modern medicine, it's clearing much shit and

superstitions out of allopathic medicine through extensive trials and the most

advanced theories starts taking off the shroud about " mystic " facts of medicine,

like the placebo effect and relations between psychologic factors and illnesses

(psycho-somatic). Hell, they're even trying (quite successfully actually) to

cure diseases just using the placebo effect itself, or rather using a complex

practice based on auto-suggestion. Many PNEI practitioners claim they can cure

even cancer just by using self-suggestion, hypnosis and things like that. And

it' s quite true actually, it seems the only ones that doesn't gain any benefits

whatsoever are the ones resilient to hypnosis and suggestions. It' s also very

nice the fact that this science is inbound in western medicines, so there are

few claims about it's " foolishness " and doesn't risk being considered like some

sort of sorcery, like it's happened to homeopathy and acupunture. It' s a

" neo-science " , as I like to call them, just like Neuro-Linguistic Programming,

and just as effective and promising. By the way if you don't know about NLP, you

should. Google for it.

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> My psychiatrists manipulated me into thinking I got some kind of

schizophrenia, I never actually believed that but I've taken drugs because I

thought it was the only way to mental wellnes. I was so damn wrong. Actually I

was just ignorant: anyway, when I learned about NLP I started practicing it and

now I don't have any " psychotic behavior " anymore. Well although, it wasn't

actual " psychotic behavior " , it was just that my psychiatrists were ignorant and

filled me up with medicines, which ALSO caused many stress and probably,

problems got worse just because of that. I was fucking desperate bc all that

meds won't make any good effect whatsoever… but that's just not " my " fault

(fault of my own depression, that is) it was the drugs that acted like a

stressor

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> Anyway back to the subject, there are probably some kind of relations between

mind and body, and one can use mind to heal the body (and maybe even the other

way around, at least in the cases of " constitutional " psychosis). As

biological1981 and other users here pointed out in various threads, it is

possible to recover PSSD just by working on the psiche itself. I repeat, it is

NOT because PSSD has a mental etiology (or atleast, not purely mental). It has

indeed a chemical etiology, but it just doesn't matter: people recovered from

cancer, which is caused by pollution in most cases, so I'm pretty damn sure it

will work on sexual dysfunctions too, which is also very much less worse than a

mortal illness like cancer...

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> 2) there are many other reasons to work on psychology: like, many of us (me

too) has got a dysfunction within adrenals. Now, adrenals produce cortisol so if

you are overstressed (like I am) your adrenals will suffer even more, and it

will worse the overall situation. So first off, one should stop getting

depressed about PSSD and think about something else (possibly something nicer,

practically just about anything) so your adrenals will have a break and get a

chance to heal themselves. Improving your overall mental status, using

psychology (personally I recommend transitional analysis, which pretty much

miracled me quite like NLP) to relieve from your stress, will only make things

better. Many things can be done towards recovery: herbs, homeopathy… why not

working on the mind?

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> 3) I'm pretty goddamn sure there are psychological implications in PSSD. In

fact, many psychosomatologists (like PNEI and Bioenergetic practitioners) claim

that just about any illness have some degree of psychological implication, from

headache to cancer. So, the REAL reason I wrote this post, outside of providing

you some info you might find useful, is to persuade all of you to help me in

creating some kind of psychological survey project, possibly an anonymous one,

because I don't actually give a damn if mr. john doe got anhedonic problems

before PSSD, but I DO care about how many people experienced loss of libido and

orgasmic pleasure before taking SSRI's, because THAT could be useful to know.

Quantity, not quality. Essentially, what I'm trying to do is to " artificially "

create situations like the one described by biological 1981. If you haven't read

his post, he claims he recovered, and just by psychological means. If you trust

me, we may try. The first thing I need is infos to build up decent theories to

work on, that's why I need the surveys. Yes, one can post on threads but things

got too much chaotic this way: we need easily accessible infos for use, just

like researchers do.

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> One last thing I have to say: REMEMBER, medicine doesn't help us. Ever olistic

medicine isn' t helping, I went yesterday by an homeopathic specialist, I

explained him about PSSD, and as always happened `till now by all the medics I

told this, he said I'm just " somatizing " it, like I'm auto-suggesting myself.

They just don't believe drug induced sexual disfunctions could chronicize, and

I'm desperate. I believe it is not true, but ON THE OTHER HAND, maybe if I

remove psychological blockades toward recovery like bad self suggestion (which I

have, and I believe all of us have), things will get better and maybe even

recover spontaneously. It may sound dumb but just the fact of being optimistic

toward recovery process, could help a lot, and also relieve the stress caused by

this problem which helps not only recovery, but life quality in his whole. It is

practically like using placebo-effect on our side.

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> So I repeat, medicine doesn't help us, it's clear. Nobody gives a damn about

it, nobody will spend money in a research about an illness which is just too

rare to be lucrative to heal. It' s sad but it's true. So, what should we do?

Get desperate? No, because that, as NLP teaches, is not productive, and is

depressive too. So WE MUST HELP THEMSELVES, WE MUST BE ON THE FIRST LINE and

work, make researches between us because nobody gives a damn about our

condition, and make researchers out of ourselves! Healing WHATEVER illness is

not a matter of taking magical pills, you got PSSD because you believed that

magical serotonin pills would heal your depression: well I hope you now

understand that healing is a matter of effort and work, sacrifices and good

will. I just cannot make it all alone. At least give me info, otherwise I just

cannot do anything. Many of you studied neurobiology, but nothing useful came

out until now. I spent a lot of money on natural supplements, and nothing has

worked, even though I was optimistic about it: in fact sometimes I got somehow

better from some supplements, but these effects didn't lasted, so maybe it was

the placebo effect.

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> But I don't give up. I have a lot other health issues, way worse than PSSD,

but I can't give up. I believe in recovery, and you should also. I'm sorry to

say that, but neurobiology hasn't helped us until now, and I don't believe it

will in the next future. It's just an approach too " close-minded " and " ancient " ,

so to speak. Epigenetics is damn interesting and olistic, but way too hard to

understand, let alone any possible use: it's a whole lot easier working on the

psiche, rather than on genes. I personally believe PNEI and bioenergetic is the

future of medicine, just like NLP is the future of psychology, neurology and

psychiatry, and maybe also a whole lot other " mind-related " sciences, like

sociology.

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> So, as I said before, I'm thinking about creating some kind of survey

(possibly anonymous for privacy's sake) to analyze psychological disorders which

are connected with PSSD. Later we will try to sort out theories about how to use

psychologic approaches to recovering, removing obstacles, nevrosis, disbelief,

stress, skepticism etc. But I need your help. I just can't make it all alone,

plus I need to know if your situation is just like mine or not. We've got to

sort similiarities between our cases, otherwise we just don't know what to do. I

know a lot about psychology, I understand there are many people in here which

studied a lot of neurobiology, in an effort to repair their damage. Well I think

it's just too hard that way, I'm pretty sure a psychological approach will give

more results. Yes, yes I know it's hard to believe, when I feel the numbness and

lack of desire and pleasure in such a hard manner, I can't help but think that

it's purely biological and neurological. But that would mean throw the towel,

since it's so much easier to work on the mind, rather than the body, so easy

that we can do it ourselves.

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> Shit, I even recovered from a (probably) serious case of mental illness, maybe

it was even schizophrenia (the psychiatrists still think so), if the mental

illness was really so bad, it should be pretty easy to overcome this (relatively

smaller) problem. You can do it too, trust me. It' a matter of mindfullness,

which I gained through extensive psychology " training " , not only reading books

but experiencing life differently.

> So, I ask you to trust my PNEI approach, which gives way more paths towards

full recovery than neurobiology. Help me, and we will try to sort things out.

Contact me if you're interested in helping or just share info (which I am hunger

for), otherwise just give me your availability to answer the surveys I' ll be

posting in the next months. I will also post some theories I'm working on, the

one theories which makes me think about how much psychology is involved in that

mess.

> Right now I'm taking some homeopathic medications for the addiction to ssri's

and neuroleptics, when I'm done with I'll go to an olistic neurologist from

Naples, quite famous here in Europe. He is also a PNEI practitioner, maybe he

can help me (and us together). He is also a specialist in suing doctors for

malpractice (some of his patients are ex- malpractitioner psychiatrists patiens)

Hey by the way, if some of you randomly drop by Naples let me know, we can met

and be my guests. I will offer you some spaghetti with clams, which are pretty

good here in Naples, and if you like we can talk about a couple things I have in

mind (like a class action against ely lilly and such)

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> As you can see, I wrote a lot of stuff. I'm seriously determined into working

toward a solution, by psychological means. But, if you don't trust me, it's just

time and efforts lost. So, let's start with a simple and little survey to see it

this is worth the costs. Just answer to whatever question you want, ignore the

others. Please note that if you're taking drugs right now, since they alters

mental and health state, it's not useful if you bring information: they just

cannot be precise. I experienced a crapload new mental disorders since I took

drugs, from insomnia to anxiety to atharaxia (loss of emotions). But the fact

I'm experiencing it right now (one year after quitted taking drug) is

significant, because that COULD be in-bound in my illness/personality -but could

also be a long lasting side effect, it's impossible to tell. So please do not

respond if you're still taking drugs.

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> 1) How many time ago did you quitted drugs?

> 2) Which drug you taken? (not the precise commercial name, just the type like

neuroleptics, SSRIs, benzodiazepines etc)

> 3) Do you experienced any change in personality since you took the drug?

> 4) Do these changes reversed or not?

> 5) Are some of your previous symptoms got worse after taking the drug?

> 6) Have you experienced other health issues after taking the drug (beside

PSSD)?

> 7) If so, as far as you can tell, do you think they may be psychosomatic

illnesses, or drug rebound/intoxication effects? (yes, your telling does count.

Try " listening " to your body, rather than listening to prozac like a famous book

tell)

> 8) Do you believe there could be some use in approaching PSSD from a

psychological point of view?

> 9) Do you believe that your case of PSSD could be involved within

psychological factors?

> 10) Do you believe informations collected by surveys like this could be of

any use? (seriously, I need to know if people trust my sight)

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