Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 By the way, there are so many milk cultures htat I have been learning about. What is the difference? Is one culture better than another? Or has more study been done on some and none on others so we do not know?? a Augustine I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.I wish you nough loss to appreciate all that you possess.I wish you enough ''Hello's" to get you through the final goodbye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Oh my gosh, that is a bit like me. I am always cold, even if it's 70 degrees. I don't have the worst temper, but I did. I do get annoyed, but I don't burst out at people. I don't even know what to ask...what is the test they give you for this? > > I was just thinking of the one member who posted problems she felt > > with her thyroid and the doctors tests indicate it was not low. > > > > I have a girlfriend that always felt cold and her temper faired up > over > > the most littlest things for years. I remember her being this way > since > > we were young teens. Her family doctor ran tests and always > found > > nothing. Then when she turned about 30 she went to an > endocrinologist. > > This doctor said to her " If you have a thyroid problem, don't worry > > because I will find it. " Well he found out that her > thyroid was low. > > Now she doesn't scream at everything that happens around her. > > > > Same goes for adrenal gland reading. I would certainly look to a > > > specialist for better lab test interpretation knowing what I know > now. > > > > LIZ D > > > > > > --- rabbitbrain@e... > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Oh darn, here I go again, I don't know what is wrong with me, but this message was obviously a private one, and I messed up and sent this to the group! So sorry about that one, has been feeling a little underappreciated lately, and I wanted to let her know she is appreciated. , I hope you won't be offended by any of it, as it certainly wasn't meant to be said in an offensive manner. Certainly all of your posts are very valuable to me, and I am sure to everyone else. I hope everyone will feel appreciated here for all of their contributions, and I especially hope that and you both can both feel free to discuss your viewpoints on every aspect of healing. Okay, about my blood work--I really didn't want to discuss it until I hear from Dr. Royal specifically about each abnormal result, but I do know that my bloodwork is not as normal as I had hoped, and I've been bummed about that today. I did find out that my C3 complement is still low, my rheumatoid factor is still high, my anti-TPO Antibodies are higher than ever, and my cholesterol is now just out of range at 201. I guess I felt that after 5 long years of trying to get back to normal, that these stupid blood tests would give me some hope. Not so. I am really not very happy right now, trying not to be depressed actually! I am trying to have total faith in God....and not look at the numbers or what they might mean. Okay, sorry again about the sloppy posting! I am just showing all my imperfections to you all! I really do hope that we can all heal, stay positive, be hopeful, be knowledgeable, be encouraging, have faith, and know that someday we will each find our peace with our implant experience. has been an inspiration to me, as she has healed. I felt like had healed alot, but I guess with these abnormal results, I still have some work to do. I am not going to let this get me down. I hope none of you will, either. Take care all, Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Patty, I'm really sorry that you're not doing well right now. I can relate, but hang in there. God is always with you. Hugs and Prayers, Lena -- In , " *~Patty~* " <fdp@l...> wrote: > Oh darn, here I go again, I don't know what is wrong with me, but this message was obviously a private one, and I messed up and sent this to the group! So sorry about that one, has been feeling a little underappreciated lately, and I wanted to let her know she is appreciated. , I hope you won't be offended by any of it, as it certainly wasn't meant to be said in an offensive manner. Certainly all of your posts are very valuable to me, and I am sure to everyone else. I hope everyone will feel appreciated here for all of their contributions, and I especially hope that and you both can both feel free to discuss your viewpoints on every aspect of healing. > > Okay, about my blood work--I really didn't want to discuss it until I hear from Dr. Royal specifically about each abnormal result, but I do know that my bloodwork is not as normal as I had hoped, and I've been bummed about that today. I did find out that my C3 complement is still low, my rheumatoid factor is still high, my anti- TPO Antibodies are higher than ever, and my cholesterol is now just out of range at 201. I guess I felt that after 5 long years of trying to get back to normal, that these stupid blood tests would give me some hope. Not so. I am really not very happy right now, trying not to be depressed actually! I am trying to have total faith in God....and not look at the numbers or what they might mean. > > Okay, sorry again about the sloppy posting! I am just showing all my imperfections to you all! I really do hope that we can all heal, stay positive, be hopeful, be knowledgeable, be encouraging, have faith, and know that someday we will each find our peace with our implant experience. has been an inspiration to me, as she has healed. I felt like had healed alot, but I guess with these abnormal results, I still have some work to do. I am not going to let this get me down. I hope none of you will, either. > Take care all, > Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Hi Lena, Thanks for your encouragement. It is much appreciated. I have actually been feeling much better lately, like I have overcome the brain fog and tiredness. It was only when I called my doctor and found out that some of my blood work is still off that I got depressed. I was so hoping that it would be normal again! I guess the one thing that concerns me the most is the lowered C3 complement. My research has revealed that lowered C3 complements are associated with lupus. I've never gotten a diagnosis of that, and I hope I never do, but there is always that possibility. I am going to continue to work on my detoxing, and continue to have faith. When I was driving home from my explant consultation in 1998, and I was crying my eyes out to God, I felt His warmth envelope me and say to me, "I will heal you. Be faithful." Ever since that day, even though the storms have raged around me, I have been comforted by Him, knowing that He is always faithful, and His promises are true. And I remember those words. Lena, you are one of the sweetest persons on our group! Thanks so much for your hugs and prayers. Sending hugs and prayers back to you. I hope you are feeling better too, and don't let the news of my blood tests get you down, okay? Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: lena_beckk Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: Re: By the way Patty,I'm really sorry that you're not doing well right now. I can relate, but hang in there. God is always with you. Hugs and Prayers,Lena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Hi Patty, I've been thinking of you all day. I hope that you had a good day and your family kept you in a great mood. I'm going to call you tomorrow to get one of your wonderful prayers, it really helps me. I want to take time to come over and see you more. Every time I see you, I feel better about my situation and I think about how far you have come. I need to go back to church, also. I care about you very much and I respect what you have done for all of us so much! THANK YOU!!! Love, Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: *~Patty~* Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: By the way Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. Love Ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 You're so sweet Daryl, thank you for your kind words. I'd be happy to pray with you again, as I know there is power in prayer, and in fact I prayed for you last night. I really hope you are doing much better, and I am so thrilled that you've gotten off those pain patches. I'd love to walk with you again, if only my broken toe would heal faster! I have been limping around and getting out when I can, but going for long walks isn't in the picture yet. I did an online search for healing a broken toe, and I guess I'll just have to wait it out. I am really hoping by the time I leave for my Dominican Republic mission trip it will be good as new. You are welcome to come to church with me anytime.... Love, Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Daryl Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: Re: By the way Hi Patty, I've been thinking of you all day. I hope that you had a good day and your family kept you in a great mood. I'm going to call you tomorrow to get one of your wonderful prayers, it really helps me. I want to take time to come over and see you more. Every time I see you, I feel better about my situation and I think about how far you have come. I need to go back to church, also. I care about you very much and I respect what you have done for all of us so much! THANK YOU!!! Love, Daryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Patty, I am sad to hear about your health issues lately. I know how you feel, as this numbness keeps coming back, and then going away. I went back to me neuro that I saw for Bels Palsy, and she did some examinations, and has prescribed a cat scan next week on my spine and brain for lesions. Although she just wants to rule out MS, and tells me she has a gut feeling it is not, I get very scared about all this. However, I don’t believe that God would have us go to the extremes that we have, to get them removed, to fight against the odds, to tell our stories- only to get sicker. I do not believe that. These journeys are for more than that. Possibly for finding acceptance of our broken selves, and for spreading the news to others. Maybe that is part of his plan, I am not fully sure. But I keep the faith in his promises. Just as you do. Remember his words to you, that are very real, and forthcoming. ----- Original Message ----- From: *~Patty~* Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Re: By the way Hi Lena, Thanks for your encouragement. It is much appreciated. I have actually been feeling much better lately, like I have overcome the brain fog and tiredness. It was only when I called my doctor and found out that some of my blood work is still off that I got depressed. I was so hoping that it would be normal again! I guess the one thing that concerns me the most is the lowered C3 complement. My research has revealed that lowered C3 complements are associated with lupus. I've never gotten a diagnosis of that, and I hope I never do, but there is always that possibility. I am going to continue to work on my detoxing, and continue to have faith. When I was driving home from my explant consultation in 1998, and I was crying my eyes out to God, I felt His warmth envelope me and say to me, "I will heal you. Be faithful." Ever since that day, even though the storms have raged around me, I have been comforted by Him, knowing that He is always faithful, and His promises are true. And I remember those words. Lena, you are one of the sweetest persons on our group! Thanks so much for your hugs and prayers. Sending hugs and prayers back to you. I hope you are feeling better too, and don't let the news of my blood tests get you down, okay? Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: lena_beckk Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: Re: By the way Patty,I'm really sorry that you're not doing well right now. I can relate, but hang in there. God is always with you. Hugs and Prayers,Lena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 I don’t mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn’t a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. ----- Original Message ----- From: *~Patty~* Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:13 PM Subject: By the way Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. Love Ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 , That's why I was trying to help out. I don't want there to be any issues with anyone on the group, and I hope I can be a go between of sorts when things come up....if you saw my following post, you saw that this was meant to be a private post, and it was meant to encourage the intended recipient, especially since I myself was feeling bummed about my own lack of good news on healing. I really screwed up by posting it on the group, and I tried to delete it and move on, but of course, if you and others choose to carry it on, there isn't much I can do except rehash it all. I've already apologized and said I hoped you didn't take it in a negative way. I didn't say what I did about you being an expert of sorts in a negative way at all--I even pointed out that I felt that way at one time myself, and it was only because I felt like I had quite a bit of experience with alternative therapies. So have you. So has . And I do feel that as a matter of fact, yes, all of us here on the group who have been explanted are "experts of sorts" on ourselves and our healing, and everyone who has healed in even a small measure has valuable contributions to make. I know I have been so excited about a "find" that I just had to talk about it and defend its merits in a way that probably some found offensive. As I stated in my letter, I have realized that as I grow older, the sheer amount of complexity of the human body and knowledge out there about it makes me realize just how little I do know! I am constantly looking for more information. I value your contributions , just like I value 's and everyone else's because I know we each have a story to tell. I wish we weren't so easily offended. It seems that's the way all implant support groups are. I've seen it happen time and time again. I wish we all would just chill! It would help so much if we could all come to an understanding about what works for us individually, feel free to share, and encourage others as they go through similar experiences, without being so easily offended. Healing desperately needs focus on the positive. It needs to be clearly stated that what works for one may not work for another, but by all means, it needs to be shared. That is why I started this forum in the first place. Doctors didn't seem to have the answers that we needed, so we have to be pioneers in our own healing process. That means mistakes will be made, things will work for some, things won't work for others, but we need to be free to share our knowledge, and do so in an encouraging manner. I didn't intend to make anything worse between you and , and in fact, I hope this will help to clear the air and allow you guys to find some common ground. It was unfortunate that I screwed up and posted this private message, but it happened, and all we can do is go on from here. I hope you will see that in no way was there any intent to pick on you, or make you feel singled out by me, but I had only hoped to help encourage continued sharing of ideas, no matter what has been said. I now leave this in God's hands, in hopes that all will be well. I really do hope we all can take part in this forum with respect and true friendship. I apologize for anything I said that was harmful, as it was not intended to be. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH PALANCA Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: By the way I don’t mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn’t a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Thanks Patty, your apology is accepted, and thanks for the kind letter trying to clear the air. I hope it helps. Hope you feel better soon, I know you have a lot on your mind. ----- Original Message ----- From: *~Patty~* Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:30 PM Subject: Re: By the way , That's why I was trying to help out. I don't want there to be any issues with anyone on the group, and I hope I can be a go between of sorts when things come up....if you saw my following post, you saw that this was meant to be a private post, and it was meant to encourage the intended recipient, especially since I myself was feeling bummed about my own lack of good news on healing. I really screwed up by posting it on the group, and I tried to delete it and move on, but of course, if you and others choose to carry it on, there isn't much I can do except rehash it all. I've already apologized and said I hoped you didn't take it in a negative way. I didn't say what I did about you being an expert of sorts in a negative way at all--I even pointed out that I felt that way at one time myself, and it was only because I felt like I had quite a bit of experience with alternative therapies. So have you. So has . And I do feel that as a matter of fact, yes, all of us here on the group who have been explanted are "experts of sorts" on ourselves and our healing, and everyone who has healed in even a small measure has valuable contributions to make. I know I have been so excited about a "find" that I just had to talk about it and defend its merits in a way that probably some found offensive. As I stated in my letter, I have realized that as I grow older, the sheer amount of complexity of the human body and knowledge out there about it makes me realize just how little I do know! I am constantly looking for more information. I value your contributions , just like I value 's and everyone else's because I know we each have a story to tell. I wish we weren't so easily offended. It seems that's the way all implant support groups are. I've seen it happen time and time again. I wish we all would just chill! It would help so much if we could all come to an understanding about what works for us individually, feel free to share, and encourage others as they go through similar experiences, without being so easily offended. Healing desperately needs focus on the positive. It needs to be clearly stated that what works for one may not work for another, but by all means, it needs to be shared. That is why I started this forum in the first place. Doctors didn't seem to have the answers that we needed, so we have to be pioneers in our own healing process. That means mistakes will be made, things will work for some, things won't work for others, but we need to be free to share our knowledge, and do so in an encouraging manner. I didn't intend to make anything worse between you and , and in fact, I hope this will help to clear the air and allow you guys to find some common ground. It was unfortunate that I screwed up and posted this private message, but it happened, and all we can do is go on from here. I hope you will see that in no way was there any intent to pick on you, or make you feel singled out by me, but I had only hoped to help encourage continued sharing of ideas, no matter what has been said. I now leave this in God's hands, in hopes that all will be well. I really do hope we all can take part in this forum with respect and true friendship. I apologize for anything I said that was harmful, as it was not intended to be. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH PALANCA Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: By the way I don’t mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn’t a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 , I can identify with your fear....I think we all fear the unknowns of our illnesses even when we have faith in God. I do know too that God has been there all along with compassion in His eyes, looking down on us, wanting us to trust Him like little children, He wants us to know that He is going to take care of us in His way. Sometimes we don't see His way in the right perspective...we only see it from ours, and it does look scary. I was even reminded of this yesterday, when reading about a missionary who was deported from Saudi Arabia recently....he was in prison for a number of years, and I am sure in that time wondered where God was...but he shared the gospel with over 600 fellow prisoners...who probably never would have heard the Gospel message! From God's persective, that man was right where God wanted him, though for him, it was probably scary. Anyway, I do hope that your new tests come out okay, and that you are filled with peace about them.....I have been focusing on feeling that peace inside that no matter what happens, for I know God will do His work in me.... maybe He wants me to study Scripture passages on healing, or to go through more fiery trials to build my faith even more, or maybe it really is nothing, and I will see how foolish it is to worry! No matter what, I know God is at work in me, just like He is at work in you. He will heal. Be faithful. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH PALANCA Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Re: By the way Patty, I am sad to hear about your health issues lately. I know how you feel, as this numbness keeps coming back, and then going away. I went back to me neuro that I saw for Bels Palsy, and she did some examinations, and has prescribed a cat scan next week on my spine and brain for lesions. Although she just wants to rule out MS, and tells me she has a gut feeling it is not, I get very scared about all this. However, I don’t believe that God would have us go to the extremes that we have, to get them removed, to fight against the odds, to tell our stories- only to get sicker. I do not believe that. These journeys are for more than that. Possibly for finding acceptance of our broken selves, and for spreading the news to others. Maybe that is part of his plan, I am not fully sure. But I keep the faith in his promises. Just as you do. Remember his words to you, that are very real, and forthcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 no , I think it has everything to do with your Doctor and she is mine too. I love her!!!! But everyone gets to speak about theirs. We can only share ours privately. I've gotten a lot of helpful information from this group, but dont want to share what I've learned because of who helped me out. So I just keep reading and soaking up info and healing. Hope you'll do the same. Vickie >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: By the way >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:54:49 -0500 > >I don't mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. >Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) >I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. > I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn't a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. ----- Original Message ----- > From: *~Patty~* > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:13 PM > Subject: By the way > > > Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. > Love Ya! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Thanks Vicki, I totally understand about the soaking up info thing here on the site. There is a lot of that, I cant complain. It’s the smartest thing we can do. How are you feeling? When did you have explant? Any symptoms left? Thank you for your post. ---- Original Message ----- From: Vickie Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: Re: By the way no , I think it has everything to do with your Doctor and she is mine too. I love her!!!! But everyone gets to speak about theirs. We can only share ours privately. I've gotten a lot of helpful information from this group, but dont want to share what I've learned because of who helped me out. So I just keep reading and soaking up info and healing. Hope you'll do the same. Vickie >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: By the way >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:54:49 -0500 > >I don't mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. >Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) >I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. > I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn't a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. ----- Original Message ----- > From: *~Patty~* > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:13 PM > Subject: By the way > > > Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. > Love Ya! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 almost a month ago. i'm still tried all the time i have to push myself to do anything or go anywhere. hopefully that will change soon. i did go to a swimming party for my nephew saturday and was getting out of the pool (breast never hit the water!) and slipped and fell breaking my elbow in two places!!! it is most difficult to type. anyway i just keep looking for something to help with the fatigue. maybe i will find something soon. i have had thyroid test, hormone tests and atuoimmune test done...all normal. i'm at a loss. do you have any ideas? Vickie >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: By the way >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:09:19 -0500 > >Thanks Vicki, I totally understand about the soaking up info thing here on the site. There is a lot of that, I cant complain. It's the smartest thing we can do. How are you feeling? When did you have explant? Any symptoms left? Thank you for your post. ---- Original Message ----- > From: Vickie > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: By the way > > > no , I think it has everything to do with your Doctor and she is mine too. I love her!!!! But everyone gets to speak about theirs. We can only share ours privately. I've gotten a lot of helpful information from this group, but dont want to share what I've learned because of who helped me out. So I just keep reading and soaking up info and healing. Hope you'll do the same. > > Vickie > > > > >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" > >Reply- > >> >Subject: Re: By the way > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:54:49 -0500 > > > >I don't mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. > >Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) > >I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. > > I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn't a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. ----- Original Message ----- > > From: *~Patty~* > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:13 PM > > Subject: By the way > > > > > > Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. > > Love Ya! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Vickie, So sorry to hear about your elbow! Ouch! Hope you heal well. Congratulations on your explant, too! I wanted to just share a few suggetions for the fatigue...everyone is different, but this is what helped me: injections of Vit B12 garlic, anything else that will help kill off the viral,fungal, bacterial load. exercise--walking, even though I felt tired, it perked me back up I hope you start feeling good soon, but we all know this takes a huge amount of patience. Just keep hanging in there. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Vickie Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: Re: By the way almost a month ago. i'm still tried all the time i have to push myself to do anything or go anywhere. hopefully that will change soon. i did go to a swimming party for my nephew saturday and was getting out of the pool (breast never hit the water!) and slipped and fell breaking my elbow in two places!!! it is most difficult to type. anyway i just keep looking for something to help with the fatigue. maybe i will find something soon. i have had thyroid test, hormone tests and atuoimmune test done...all normal. i'm at a loss. do you have any ideas? Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 I am so sorry about your elbow Vicki! You poor thing, that on top of theexplant all in one month! Yikes. My prayers, and heart go out to you. For energy, as my thyroid situation and surgery really had me going slow,and so tired- I would try the the "Fatigued to Fantastic" Energy enfusion mix made by Enzyamatic Therapy. You make this shake in the morning for breakfast, and it has a ton, a ton, almost all of our docs recommended amino acids, minerals, and vitamins (I have yet to find a multiple vitamin with these amounts of amino acids) which are great for fatigue and rebuilding, and stamina. It works well for people with Fibro, or Chronic Fatigue syndrome, why don’t you try it? I swear by it! It runs about 35.00 per month, which isnt bad for a good daily multi, ya know? Let me know if it helps if you try it. Gosh, you poor thing! Rest and take it easy, and hang in there. Its gonna get better www.iherb.com (for info) ----- Original Message ----- From: Vickie Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: By the way almost a month ago. i'm still tried all the time i have to push myself to do anything or go anywhere. hopefully that will change soon. i did go to a swimming party for my nephew saturday and was getting out of the pool (breast never hit the water!) and slipped and fell breaking my elbow in two places!!! it is most difficult to type. anyway i just keep looking for something to help with the fatigue. maybe i will find something soon. i have had thyroid test, hormone tests and atuoimmune test done...all normal. i'm at a loss. do you have any ideas? Vickie >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: By the way >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:09:19 -0500 > >Thanks Vicki, I totally understand about the soaking up info thing here on the site. There is a lot of that, I cant complain. It's the smartest thing we can do. How are you feeling? When did you have explant? Any symptoms left? Thank you for your post. ---- Original Message ----- > From: Vickie > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: By the way > > > no , I think it has everything to do with your Doctor and she is mine too. I love her!!!! But everyone gets to speak about theirs. We can only share ours privately. I've gotten a lot of helpful information from this group, but dont want to share what I've learned because of who helped me out. So I just keep reading and soaking up info and healing. Hope you'll do the same. > > Vickie > > > > >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" > >Reply- > >> >Subject: Re: By the way > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:54:49 -0500 > > > >I don't mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. > >Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) > >I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. > > I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn't a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. ----- Original Message ----- > > From: *~Patty~* > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:13 PM > > Subject: By the way > > > > > > Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. > > Love Ya! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Vicki, I am so sorry to hear about your accident at the pool and broken elbow. You have double recovery coming girlfriend! I will be praying specifically for quick healing and relief from pain with your broken bones. Unfortunately, as you have read, the recovery from explantation will usually be a longer process. Just a grief is a process, so is recovery. I am 8 mos into the process and some days feel as if I am taking backwards steps but my faith in God is strong and I know He is working in my life and is in control of my future. I am enjoying watching how He is changing my areas of ministry with the change in my mobility. Even here on the internet, He gives me and all of us wonderful opportunities without even leaving our homes to speak up and encourage others. He is so faithful to meet our needs and I know He is up to something great in your life too. I will attach the listing of the latest nutritional advice the specialist has me doing and I do feel I am getting stronger. God bless, dee ----- Original Message ----- From: Vickie Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: Re: By the way almost a month ago. i'm still tried all the time i have to push myself to do anything or go anywhere. hopefully that will change soon. i did go to a swimming party for my nephew saturday and was getting out of the pool (breast never hit the water!) and slipped and fell breaking my elbow in two places!!! it is most difficult to type. anyway i just keep looking for something to help with the fatigue. maybe i will find something soon. i have had thyroid test, hormone tests and atuoimmune test done...all normal. i'm at a loss. do you have any ideas? Vickie >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: By the way >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:09:19 -0500 > >Thanks Vicki, I totally understand about the soaking up info thing here on the site. There is a lot of that, I cant complain. It's the smartest thing we can do. How are you feeling? When did you have explant? Any symptoms left? Thank you for your post. ---- Original Message ----- > From: Vickie > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: By the way > > > no , I think it has everything to do with your Doctor and she is mine too. I love her!!!! But everyone gets to speak about theirs. We can only share ours privately. I've gotten a lot of helpful information from this group, but dont want to share what I've learned because of who helped me out. So I just keep reading and soaking up info and healing. Hope you'll do the same. > > Vickie > > > > >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" > >Reply- > >> >Subject: Re: By the way > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:54:49 -0500 > > > >I don't mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. > >Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) > >I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. > > I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn't a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. ----- Original Message ----- > > From: *~Patty~* > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:13 PM > > Subject: By the way > > > > > > Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. > > Love Ya! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 thank you for your support. the explant was easy!!! a little sore but not a lot of pain. i even drove a stick shift two days later. the broken bone is a different story. with physiotherapy i'm sure it will heal fine. >From: "Dee Todd" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: By the way >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:38:20 -0400 > >Vicki, I am so sorry to hear about your accident at the pool and broken elbow. You have double recovery coming girlfriend! I will be praying specifically for quick healing and relief from pain with your broken bones. Unfortunately, as you have read, the recovery from explantation will usually be a longer process. Just a grief is a process, so is recovery. I am 8 mos into the process and some days feel as if I am taking backwards steps but my faith in God is strong and I know He is working in my life and is in control of my future. I am enjoying watching how He is changing my areas of ministry with the change in my mobility. Even here on the internet, He gives me and all of us wonderful opportunities without even leaving our homes to speak up and encourage others. He is so faithful to meet our needs and I know He is up to something great in your life too. I will attach the listing of the latest nutritional advice the specialist has me doing and I do feel I am getting stronger. God bless, dee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vickie > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: By the way > > > almost a month ago. i'm still tried all the time i have to push myself to do anything or go anywhere. hopefully that will change soon. i did go to a swimming party for my nephew saturday and was getting out of the pool (breast never hit the water!) and slipped and fell breaking my elbow in two places!!! it is most difficult to type. anyway i just keep looking for something to help with the fatigue. maybe i will find something soon. i have had thyroid test, hormone tests and atuoimmune test done...all normal. i'm at a loss. do you have any ideas? > > Vickie > > > > >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" > >Reply- > >> >Subject: Re: By the way > >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:09:19 -0500 > > > >Thanks Vicki, I totally understand about the soaking up info thing here on the site. There is a lot of that, I cant complain. It's the smartest thing we can do. How are you feeling? When did you have explant? Any symptoms left? Thank you for your post. ---- Original Message ----- > > From: Vickie > > > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:50 PM > > Subject: Re: By the way > > > > > > no , I think it has everything to do with your Doctor and she is mine too. I love her!!!! But everyone gets to speak about theirs. We can only share ours privately. I've gotten a lot of helpful information from this group, but dont want to share what I've learned because of who helped me out. So I just keep reading and soaking up info and healing. Hope you'll do the same. > > > > Vickie > > > > > > > > >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" > > >Reply- > > >> > >Subject: Re: By the way > > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:54:49 -0500 > > > > > >I don't mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. > > >Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) > > >I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. > > > I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn't a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: *~Patty~* > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:13 PM > > > Subject: By the way > > > > > > > > > Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. > > > Love Ya! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 thanks julie. can i get this from a store or maybe on-line? i'd like to try it. all the vitamin/minerals/amino acids may help with the healing of the elbow as well. >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: By the way >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:22:52 -0500 > >I am so sorry about your elbow Vicki! You poor thing, that on top of theexplant all in one month! Yikes. My prayers, and heart go out to you. >For energy, as my thyroid situation and surgery really had me going slow,and so tired- I would try the the "Fatigued to Fantastic" Energy enfusion mix made by Enzyamatic Therapy. You make this shake in the morning for breakfast, and it has a ton, a ton, almost all of our docs recommended amino acids, minerals, and vitamins (I have yet to find a multiple vitamin with these amounts of amino acids) which are great for fatigue and rebuilding, and stamina. It works well for people with Fibro, or Chronic Fatigue syndrome, why don't you try it? I swear by it! It runs about 35.00 per month, which isnt bad for a good daily multi, ya know? Let me know if it helps if you try it. Gosh, you poor thing! Rest and take it easy, and hang in there. Its gonna get better > www.iherb.com (for info) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vickie > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: By the way > > > almost a month ago. i'm still tried all the time i have to push myself to do anything or go anywhere. hopefully that will change soon. i did go to a swimming party for my nephew saturday and was getting out of the pool (breast never hit the water!) and slipped and fell breaking my elbow in two places!!! it is most difficult to type. anyway i just keep looking for something to help with the fatigue. maybe i will find something soon. i have had thyroid test, hormone tests and atuoimmune test done...all normal. i'm at a loss. do you have any ideas? > > Vickie > > > > >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" > >Reply- > >> >Subject: Re: By the way > >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:09:19 -0500 > > > >Thanks Vicki, I totally understand about the soaking up info thing here on the site. There is a lot of that, I cant complain. It's the smartest thing we can do. How are you feeling? When did you have explant? Any symptoms left? Thank you for your post. ---- Original Message ----- > > From: Vickie > > > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:50 PM > > Subject: Re: By the way > > > > > > no , I think it has everything to do with your Doctor and she is mine too. I love her!!!! But everyone gets to speak about theirs. We can only share ours privately. I've gotten a lot of helpful information from this group, but dont want to share what I've learned because of who helped me out. So I just keep reading and soaking up info and healing. Hope you'll do the same. > > > > Vickie > > > > > > > > >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" > > >Reply- > > >> > >Subject: Re: By the way > > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:54:49 -0500 > > > > > >I don't mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. > > >Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) > > >I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. > > > I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn't a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: *~Patty~* > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:13 PM > > > Subject: By the way > > > > > > > > > Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. > > > Love Ya! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 patty: thanks for the ideas, i've done b12 injections, eat sooooo much garlic people really notice , and do pilates daily or did before the surgery and elbow brake. i feel as if it is a mental thing. if i could convinence my brain i wasnt so tired my body would follow. it really isnt a brain fog like you guys talk about, more of a heaviness in my head. geez that sounds stupid but thats how it feels....... >From: "*~Patty~*" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: By the way >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:48:20 -0700 > >Vickie, >So sorry to hear about your elbow! Ouch! Hope you heal well. > >Congratulations on your explant, too! > >I wanted to just share a few suggetions for the fatigue...everyone is different, but this is what helped me: > >injections of Vit B12 >garlic, anything else that will help kill off the viral,fungal, bacterial load. >exercise--walking, even though I felt tired, it perked me back up > >I hope you start feeling good soon, but we all know this takes a huge amount of patience. Just keep hanging in there. >Patty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vickie > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: By the way > > > almost a month ago. i'm still tried all the time i have to push myself to do anything or go anywhere. hopefully that will change soon. i did go to a swimming party for my nephew saturday and was getting out of the pool (breast never hit the water!) and slipped and fell breaking my elbow in two places!!! it is most difficult to type. anyway i just keep looking for something to help with the fatigue. maybe i will find something soon. i have had thyroid test, hormone tests and atuoimmune test done...all normal. i'm at a loss. do you have any ideas? > > Vickie > Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 I totally relate Vickie! I get that heaviness too. It's weird. I can't figure out if it is thyroid related, hormonal related, food allergy related...or what. But I know what you are talking about when you say if you could convince your brain you aren't tired, the body would follow! I have tried so many things to get rid of it, and the ones I listed seem to help me. The only other thing I have tried lately is the piracetam and hydergine together (supposed to be synergistic) and I think it helps alot. That, and watching certain foods. Sugar is bad! Hope it clears up for you soon, but my brain fog stuff was the very last thing to go, and it really isn't totally gone, it comes back to haunt me now and then. It took a good 3 to 4 years for that to get fixed, and I think the Hashimoto's diagnosis was key. Take care, Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Vickie Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:32 AM Subject: Re: By the way patty: thanks for the ideas, i've done b12 injections, eat sooooo much garlic people really notice , and do pilates daily or did before the surgery and elbow brake. i feel as if it is a mental thing. if i could convinence my brain i wasnt so tired my body would follow. it really isnt a brain fog like you guys talk about, more of a heaviness in my head. geez that sounds stupid but thats how it feels....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Yes, most food/health stores carry this, as it is a big item. And I left at the bottom of the page the cheapest place on the internet I found it. www.iherb.com To your healing! ----- Original Message ----- From: Vickie Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: Re: By the way thanks julie. can i get this from a store or maybe on-line? i'd like to try it. all the vitamin/minerals/amino acids may help with the healing of the elbow as well. >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: By the way >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:22:52 -0500 > >I am so sorry about your elbow Vicki! You poor thing, that on top of theexplant all in one month! Yikes. My prayers, and heart go out to you. >For energy, as my thyroid situation and surgery really had me going slow,and so tired- I would try the the "Fatigued to Fantastic" Energy enfusion mix made by Enzyamatic Therapy. You make this shake in the morning for breakfast, and it has a ton, a ton, almost all of our docs recommended amino acids, minerals, and vitamins (I have yet to find a multiple vitamin with these amounts of amino acids) which are great for fatigue and rebuilding, and stamina. It works well for people with Fibro, or Chronic Fatigue syndrome, why don't you try it? I swear by it! It runs about 35.00 per month, which isnt bad for a good daily multi, ya know? Let me know if it helps if you try it. Gosh, you poor thing! Rest and take it easy, and hang in there. Its gonna get better > www.iherb.com (for info) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vickie > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: By the way > > > almost a month ago. i'm still tried all the time i have to push myself to do anything or go anywhere. hopefully that will change soon. i did go to a swimming party for my nephew saturday and was getting out of the pool (breast never hit the water!) and slipped and fell breaking my elbow in two places!!! it is most difficult to type. anyway i just keep looking for something to help with the fatigue. maybe i will find something soon. i have had thyroid test, hormone tests and atuoimmune test done...all normal. i'm at a loss. do you have any ideas? > > Vickie > > > > >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" > >Reply- > >> >Subject: Re: By the way > >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:09:19 -0500 > > > >Thanks Vicki, I totally understand about the soaking up info thing here on the site. There is a lot of that, I cant complain. It's the smartest thing we can do. How are you feeling? When did you have explant? Any symptoms left? Thank you for your post. ---- Original Message ----- > > From: Vickie > > > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:50 PM > > Subject: Re: By the way > > > > > > no , I think it has everything to do with your Doctor and she is mine too. I love her!!!! But everyone gets to speak about theirs. We can only share ours privately. I've gotten a lot of helpful information from this group, but dont want to share what I've learned because of who helped me out. So I just keep reading and soaking up info and healing. Hope you'll do the same. > > > > Vickie > > > > > > > > >From: "JOSEPH PALANCA" > > >Reply- > > >> > >Subject: Re: By the way > > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:54:49 -0500 > > > > > >I don't mean to sound like an expert in any way. I just have had a lot of different testing done, due to many problems, and see the need to share it if somebody is going through something simular. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. I wish I never had to go to all these doctors, or have these tests done, believe me. But perhaps it may benefit someone else. > > >Just like the Gerson Therapy, Patty, I am so glad you shared that. I got the book ,and find it compelling to say the least! The enema's and their theory are great, and so is the juicing (when I can tolerate it) > > >I know that I thrive on info from other girls here, and look into everything they share, state, and think. As we all have a lot in common with our health issues. Its sad that anytime I respond with advise on what has happened to me personally, it is taken the wrong way by one. If I say take supplements its argued, if I say wheat , its argued, if I say progesterone, its argued, fasting- its argued, if I speak about my "doc" its argued. And I keep going on, ignoring it. I just share what worked for me, and to perhaps look into it. That's it. > > > I helped with her thyroid issues as I addressed she may be hyper: when she was losing all that hair. She was emailing me with questions, and I responded hoping that would be an new start for us. No matter what she differs with me, I still wanted to "help" her out. I wasn't a know it all then when it turned out to be true. Obviously there is some major personal conflicts here with me, it's clear as can be. It's not my doctor, or anything else, it's me. And I wish we could move past this. ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: *~Patty~* > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:13 PM > > > Subject: By the way > > > > > > > > > Girl, you need to not worry about the other girls on the group and don't let little things get to you, especially about . I think alot of times when people are healing they think they have their own set of helping hints that work for them and want everybody else to know about it, and maybe thinks since she has come such a long way and been on the group awhile and had such remarkable results on her blood tests that she in an expert of sorts. Ha, I even thought I was! But I don't think that anymore, in fact, it seems the older I get, the more I realize how much I DON'T know, ha ha ha, so don't stress about it, and you have to know that I need your input on the group as much or more than the others girls, and I need you around to be a cheerleader for the group, because I tell ya, with my blood work still looking as shitty as it does, I won't be one to be rah-rahing about healing alot for myself. Maybe God will heal me someday like He said He would, so I'll have something to yell about then, but for now, I am just bumming and don't really want to talk too much. > > > Love Ya! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Here is the exact link: http://www.iherb.com/dailyenfusion.html I am sure this is good stuff. I found I could not handle the taste. Wish I could! I can only stomach it every once in awhile. ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH PALANCA Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:25 AM Subject: Re: By the way Yes, most food/health stores carry this, as it is a big item. And I left at the bottom of the page the cheapest place on the internet I found it. www.iherb.com To your healing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 dear patty I have found a product I consider to be the equal or superior in every way. It is called biogenesis #3 and everything in it is organic. It is a liquid and you only take 2 tbsp a day. It tastes like peach/mango. I would list all the ingredients but it would take too long. It has fulvic acid and carbon which is how it is completely absorbed at the cellular level. It has vitamins, minerals, complete amino acids, complete trace minerals, lipoic acid, co enzyme q 10 and much much more. A bottle sells for $50 and lasts for one month. Check out their website at www.druckerlabs.com. I have talked to the people there many time. Dr. Drucker has impressive credentials and researched this for 15 years. He himself has autoimmune disease and that is why he researched this. I have been using this for a couple of months. Do not order the intramax. that is the same product sold to dr. office and doesn't carry the discount as biogenesis. I can't say enough aboutit. I know it won't make you sick because it doesn't bother me and EVERYTHING bothers me. I have a hard time stomaching whey protein and almost all those good for you drinks. But who can't swallow a capful of liquid? Try it! God's blessings, kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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