Re: Cross-posting all over the place - THRUSH info needed

[Guest guest]

Sounds like a major revamp of diet is in order. I also question whether it is

thrush or atopic dermatitis and related to an allergy? Not much help sorry.

Lea

[Guest guest]

I always suggest moms rinse anything that comes in contact with mom's breasts,

baby's mouth or butt in white vinegar to kill the yeast. I know I read is

somewhere before I started recommending it. Maybe the last edition of BAB. I

know the reasoning was that sterilizing doesn't completely kill yeast, but

vinegar does.

I started having issues with yeast infections a few years ago and my daughter

started to have them as well. I was washing our clothes together so I wondered

if that was spreading the yeast. I just started pouring about a half cup of

vinegar in the fabric softener dispenser and put it on an extra rinse. That

cleared us both up finally.

I take inhaled steroids and was starting to have issues with oral thrush, which

I get from time to time with the meds. I started eating pickles and it cleared

it up. I would not do that with a baby, though.

In talking with one of my doctors about yeast infections of the skin he

mentioned sometimes inflammation can fuel yeast, making it harder to clear up.

He said using a topical steroid on the area, waiting 30 minutes then hitting it

with an antifungal would wipe it out. I guess using the steroid first left the

yeast vulnerable. Not that that is something I would suggest directly to a mom,

but maybe you could ask her HCP and see what he/she thinks.

Heinz, BA IBCLC

Beach Babies Lactation Support, LLC

[Guest guest]

Ok just an extra note on Probiotics. Some brands work and some don't, and some

are Amazing. Being someone who also gets yeast outbreaks (breast and other)

every once in a while I now know how to stop thrush in its tracks.

2 Companies with great Probiotics:

*Ultimate Flora* " Vaginal Support "

*Garden of Life* " Probiotics for Women "

Also I forgot to mention taking *COLD* showers has helped a lot, keeping the

body cool. I see a lot more thrush in the spring/summer. Or cold baths, adding a

lot of Sea Salt to the water.

Washing clothes and then putting them *outside* to dry, if it's sunny. The sun

does wonders

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> Thrush Queens - I need input please. I have a young family with systemic

> yeast. Toddler has yeasty diaper area, baby has thrush and mom has thrushy

> nipples. Toddler has had systemic thrush since a newborn, mom has battled

> thrush as well. Treatments have been probitocs (in yogurt for toddler and

> capsule for mom), nystatin, GV, coconut oil, bleaching diapers, sanitizing

> toys and sippy cups for toddler. THrush goes away for a few weeks then

> returns with a vengeance.

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> I need solid info that I can send mom to address the whole family. Thank you

> !

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> Warmly,

>

> Jaye

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> Jaye Simpson, CLC, IBCLC, CIIM, MoM

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> Breastfeeding Network

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> www.breastfeedingnetwork.net

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[Guest guest]

As someone w/personal experience, I have to say that its likely the thrush

will continue to come back (with a vengeance) unless diet is addressed. Its

necessary to eliminate all sources of sugar from the diet, and if the family

follows a SAM (standard American diet), they are in for a ride. I know this

is extremely difficult for most people to do, but they must try to eat

truly well-fresh vegetables and meat-eliminate all processed foods-nothing from

a box or can. No breads, no crackers, no cereal, but cooked whole grains are

great. Recommend things like short grain brown rice, tabouleh, cos cos,

barley, whole oats for carbs. No juice, unless they make it themselves, no

carbonated drinks, no artificial creamers, etc. If they can just manage to eat

this way for 4 or 5 days, they will note an increase in energy and the thrush

will have a big dent put in it. They should then be able to continue eating

this way without feeling they are depriving themselves.

Also, remember that thrush can replicate in as little as 30 minutes. This

is an ongoing war, and they CAN win if they eat well. I know this sounds very

fanatical to most people and its really a shame we have gotten so far from

eating a correct diet that this type of food seems like punishment to most.

It works, and it has lasting effects. Speak to Tow about how

out-of-balance systems contribute to thrush. We always have candida in our

systems, and its only when it grows out of balance that it becomes a problem.

Niki Konchar, IBCLC </HTML>

[Guest guest]

How does your body know the difference between juice you bought at the store and juice you made yourself? Not trying to be flip, but just wondering how I would handle this question from a client if I suggested this diet. Becky , IBCLCMilky WayLa Plata, MD

[Guest guest]

I, too, have experienced a systemic yeast infection. A combination of dietary

changes as mentioned by other IBCLCs, homepathic and home remedies, and OTC or

prescription medication finally worked to kill my yeast overgrowth. In addition

to the dietary recommendations posted, I suggest eliminating yeast. Yeast is

used in a variety of products, from vitamins and herbal supplements to the

nutritional yeast used to flavor some snack foods. Even some gluten-free breads

contain yeast as a leavening agent. Read labels and ask questions about

anything that goes into the mouth. It's important to stick to the diet for a

long time -- perhaps a few months -- to ensure the overgrowth has been reduced.

It's so tempting to return to a pre-treatment diet as soon as relief comes.

Camille Sommer IBCLC

[Guest guest]

I second that philosophy. I love this quote from a vegan friend " Candida is our

friend, we don't want to kill our friends. "

It's true, you can kill Candida, but it will only come back with a vengeance,

and possibly with acquired antifungal resistance.

Diet is important - and Meat is NOT necesssary, or dare I say, even helpful as

it clogs up and slows down the digestion, and starves the tissues of oxygen.

You don't get a Candida outbreak from eating Fruit, but from eating processed

sugars and grains.

Fresh Organic fruits provide vital glycogen to all the body's tissues. Fresh

organic, raw uncooked vegetables provide the body vital nutrients. I don't tell

people to decrease their organic raw fruit content, but to increase the raw

organic vegetable content, in place of grains and meat that they might usually

eat.

The only grains I would recommend for Candida ,if the mother must eat grains are

a gruel of soaked (fermented) whole grain berries.

Cooked anything breaks down the carbohydrates and sugars into smaller/simpler

and less healthy carbs and sugars. I tell people to try to avoid cooking things.

Meat is absolutely not necessary to help Candida Outbreaks. I am a Vegan, I

don't eat meat, and I've had no problem keeping Candida at bay and out of my

life : )

Fermented Kraut, Kim Chee, Natto are all nice Vegan sources of Probiotics, but

supplementing is also possible, as I posted in my last post.

R.

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> As someone w/personal experience, I have to say that its likely the thrush

> will continue to come back (with a vengeance) unless diet is addressed. Its

> necessary to eliminate all sources of sugar from the diet, and if the family

> follows a SAM (standard American diet), they are in for a ride. I know this

> is extremely difficult for most people to do, but they must try to eat

> truly well-fresh vegetables and meat-eliminate all processed foods-nothing

from

> a box or can. No breads, no crackers, no cereal, but cooked whole grains are

> great. Recommend things like short grain brown rice, tabouleh, cos cos,

> barley, whole oats for carbs. No juice, unless they make it themselves, no

> carbonated drinks, no artificial creamers, etc. If they can just manage to eat

> this way for 4 or 5 days, they will note an increase in energy and the thrush

> will have a big dent put in it. They should then be able to continue eating

> this way without feeling they are depriving themselves.

>

> Also, remember that thrush can replicate in as little as 30 minutes. This

> is an ongoing war, and they CAN win if they eat well. I know this sounds very

> fanatical to most people and its really a shame we have gotten so far from

> eating a correct diet that this type of food seems like punishment to most.

> It works, and it has lasting effects. Speak to Tow about how

> out-of-balance systems contribute to thrush. We always have candida in our

> systems, and its only when it grows out of balance that it becomes a problem.

>

> Niki Konchar, IBCLC </HTML>

>

[Guest guest]

Becky:

What is important is that you can control the ingredients on juice that you

make from scratch. It shouldn't surprise anyone to hear that sugar or some

form of sugar is the main ingredient in most juices. You must read labels to

understand what type of things go into the 'stuff' that you buy off the

shelves of a store. While you may find a few things that are edible, I'm

suggesting that most of what is for sale in a grocery store is about as

nutritious

for adults as formula is nutritious for babies.

I agree that meat is unnecessary, but to suggest that a woman change the

diet of her entire family suddenly, also eliminating meat, may be the breaking

point. A first step is eliminating processed foods. If the family (or just

the mom) does this, then they can go forward, eliminating other things that

they may choose to. Even just suggesting that mom eat only vegetables and

meat is likely to bring a strong reaction from the client. Unless they are

open minded, they probably won't even consider trying this. If they reject your

advice on this point, they aren't likely to follow any other suggestions

about BF either!

Besides the many other problems that Americans face, I'm suggesting that

food is their main addiction. Look around you-be realistic-How many people do

you know that are truly healthy or even not-overweight? An unhealthy diet

has become an American cultural problem.

It wasn't until I faced a major health problem (30 years ago), that I even

examined the effect of diet on my health. It took that kind of trauma to

force me to open my eyes and change my life by changing what I put into my

body. It is an ongoing process, but I am healthier at 60 than I have been since

I was 15. Once you see such results in your own life, you do want to share

them, but sadly, others do not want to even consider altering their diet. Its

a fine line between sharing information and coming across as a fanatic. If

you want to be able to help, you have to be very careful about how you

present the information you are sharing.

Niki Konchar, IBCLC</HTML>

[Guest guest]

I am in total agreement that too much processed food is a bad thing. I don’t know that it is helpful to clients, however, to tell them to make everything—because they simply won’t! Most people don’t regularly cook even one meal per day. I personally see no need for juice in the diet at all, but if someone wants it, is it really that much different for them to make orange juice over buying 100% orange juice? I’m not talking about juice drinks with added ingredients. I think we really have to consider making this as easy as possible for mothers because they are likely already overwhelmed with the yeast and a young baby. The difference in opinion in the last few posts: meat/no meat, grains/no grains, demonstrates why I am so hesitant to start laying all this on a mother. How can we say you need to eat this or you need to eat that when there seems to be little agreement as to what the “correct” diet is? I discovered this when researching an anti-inflammatory diet for myself. No two sources could agree on what an anti-inflammatory diet is exactly. The only thing everyone can agree on is the need to limit processed foods and sugar, so that is where I start with mothers, while I continue to try to learn more about how our diets affect us. Becky , IBCLCMilky WayLa Plata, MD