moving

[Guest guest]

hi yawl,

so, i hope to sell my house within the next few months and live somewhere else

while this is going on.

I understand some about the mold spores getting into everything but, overall,

what do you suggest.

Do I sell everything??? It's 2 story house full of furniture.

My queen bed is only about a year old and expensive.

I bought 2 beautiful cushioned pieces last spring.

And what about all the wood furniture??

What CAN i keep?? Anything?? How about a metal file cabinet with all my papers,

tax papers, medical, bank, etc.....

this is big and i know many of you have gone throught this.

AGH!!!!!!!!!

But, it'll be a new beginning, a chance to start to heal. felice

[Guest guest]

Feliz,

I would suggest disclosing the problem YOU HAVE with your home to

your agent and sell it. I can't imagine someone just walking away from

one of the biggest investments they have ever made or ever will make.

This is more than the bank will do when they sell your house to recoup

their losses.

As far as your possessions go I would suggest you store them somewhere

if you can afford it and move into a clean empty apartment. A higher

end one that would have less chances of shoddy building and

maintenance practices. One that has been recently built. The apt.

because that way if things go south you can move. If you get your

health back I would suggest trying to move items in to see if you

react to them. My feeling is that as long as their is no active mold

on them you won't.

Avoid things like TV's, computer monitors, computers, other

electronics at first and when you try introducing them make sure they

are clean, have a repair shop blow off all of the dust or do it

yourself. If their is any black mold on them throw them out.

I believe there is to much hysteria and not enough facts surrounding

personal belongings.

As far as houses go I think the problem is more with us than the

houses we live in. We are lepers. Most people do just fine in them.

I believe the problem with belongings is that people wrongly

associate them with their illness instead of their homes which have

the capacity to expose them to millions of times more of the allergens

they react to than their belongings.

[Guest guest]

What can we do so that people who are in this situation can sue for some of

this back? The legal situation is so difficult that it discourages anyone

from suing, but if that is the only way that society punishes these people

to deter them from doing it, the damage awards need to be many orders of

magnitude higher OR a MUCH higher percentage of those who are injured have

to sue.

Help!

[Guest guest]

Felice, I really hope that you are honest with the people yu sell it to

about the mold there.

If you are not, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

On 11/19/06, felice <anupath14@...> wrote:

>

> hi yawl,

> so, i hope to sell my house within the next few months and live somewhere

> else while this is going on.

> I understand some about the mold spores getting into everything but,

> overall, what do you suggest.

> Do I sell everything??? It's 2 story house full of furniture.

> My queen bed is only about a year old and expensive.

> I bought 2 beautiful cushioned pieces last spring.

> And what about all the wood furniture??

> What CAN i keep?? Anything?? How about a metal file cabinet with all my

> papers, tax papers, medical, bank, etc.....

> this is big and i know many of you have gone throught this.

> AGH!!!!!!!!!

> But, it'll be a new beginning, a chance to start to heal. felice

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I believe the problem with belongings is that people wrongly

> associate them with their illness instead of their homes which have

> the capacity to expose them to millions of times more of the allergens

> they react to than their belongings.

,

I so wish what you're saying here was true, but I think for many of us, it

absolutely is not. I'm learning about this firsthand as I've just moved this

past week - into a newly remodeled house (all tile flooring) - all new

appliances, beds, etc. I bought enough new clothes for myself and kids to last

a few days and have just started the recommended soaking/cleaning of the

clothing - NONE of which had any visible mold. And, some of it extremely new

before the cleaning process, but looking fairly worn after. Indeed, most of the

clothing was bought after our roof leak which was improperly repaired (which

likely is the cause of the largest exposure of toxins in the house), yet I was

still reacting to it when I was folding it after the lengthy cleaning process.

So, I would absolutely caution anyone that isn't certain they don't react to the

toxins that adhere to belongings about bringing anything into their new space,

just as many others on this list have suggested. Unfortunately,

it's not hysteria. The fact of the matter is that it's our genotypes and

repeated exposures that make us so reactive to even the most miniscule particle

of toxins - and it's not allergens at all - it's the toxins. I've been treated

with NAET for my allergic reactions to mold, but that doesn't stop the toxins

from damaging my body further (and I'm still on CSM 4x/day).

The only point that you make with which I agree is that yes, the amount of

toxins in the home is certainly higher than what one would find on a single (or

even several) item(s) from the home. Yet for many of us any exposure is just

too much. If you don't count yourself in this hypersensitive category, then you

certainly have much for which to be thankful.

I'm thankful for this list and having found folks that have been through this

nightmare that are willing to share their experiences. I also so appreciate

folks that continue to stress these very difficult to accept suggestions that we

must part with most of our belongings to get well. I had originally intended to

bring appliances, solid oak furntiture, etc. from my old home, but I can clearly

see now what a monstrous mistake that would have been given my reaction to my

son's clothing.

Peace and healing,

B.

[Guest guest]

The problem is that the toxins form a sort of film on the belongings and

that film is very thin and the tests that are available to test for

mycotoxins are very expensive so most people don't go around testing their

belongings.

The only mycotoxin tests that are affordable to most people are not

sensitive enough to detect these films unless the number of items tested is

pretty high. They need either samples of the mold itself, or samples of

buffered (saline?) from a very high volume air sampler. And you have to know

what toxin you are going to test for. Its a complicated process.

But just because the amount of toxin coating your items (by weight) is very

low, don't think that that won't effect you, because once

your body has become overlaoded with a toxin, subsequent exposure to that

toxin sets the body's defenses into such high gear that your entire body

goes haywire.

Thats why you do NOT want to get that initial high exposure, because then

you are like the proverbial canary in the coal mine.. (Thank you Sue!) and

you will get ill again and again when you get exposed to even small amounts

of mold.

Your immune system has become trained to save your life and to do that it

takes drastic measures that only it (and also maybe Dr. Shoemaker and a few

others) understand, or are beginning to understand.

Taking your contaminated belongings with you is asking for trouble, because

not only do they have mold toxins on them, they have the very exact toxins

that made you ill.

Unfortunately, no matter how much we know this, most of us can't afford to

walk away from everything we own any more than we can afford to keep it. We

are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.

And by that time most of us are struggling to survive.. often having lost

jobs, homes, relationships, or not uncommonly, ALL of the above..

This is not a just situation, and its why we need to put laws in place that

ensure that this doesn't happen to people in the future.

Otherwise it will just get worse and worse, I fear.

> I believe the problem with belongings is that people wrongly

> > associate them with their illness instead of their homes which have

> > the capacity to expose them to millions of times more of the allergens

> > they react to than their belongings.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Felice,

If you took nothing, do you think you would save enough from no moving

expense to buy some inexpense things to replace essentials?

>

> hi yawl,

> so, i hope to sell my house within the next few months and live

somewhere else while this is going on

[Guest guest]

--- In , Christ <antares41_41@...>

wrote:

>> I believe there is to much hysteria and not enough facts surrounding

> personal belongings.

>

> As far as houses go I think the problem is more with us than the

> houses we live in. We are lepers. Most people do just fine in them.

>

> I believe the problem with belongings is that people wrongly

> associate them with their illness instead of their homes which have

> the capacity to expose them to millions of times more of the allergens

> they react to than their belongings.

>

>

,

You don't know what you are talking about. If you move out of the

place with visible mold and bring your belongings with you, and if you

feel better that means ONLY one thing: that YOU are not as reactive to

mycotoxins as some of us are. You must not generalize your expeirience

to everyone else and say that it is hysteria. It is extremely

dangerous if you spread misinformation that mycotoxins on personal

belongings are not a problem. They are, very much so! If not for that

phenomenon many of us would have been cured a long time ago!

It is childish of you to require peer reviewed studies that mycotoxins

on personal objects will cause the same symptoms as the living mold.

Until recently the medical establishment didn't want to admit that

even massive amounts of living visible indoor mold posed any problem

to the people who were exposed to it. When do you expect, then, that

the medical establishment will carry out " peer reviewed " studies

regarding the mycotoxins on objects with no visible mold growth? It

might happen in 20 or 30 years. Should we all wait for them to do

these peer reviewed studies and act only then, or rely on the

experience of thousands of the members of this group who have been

saying this all along - mycotoxins on objects, even without visible

mold - are a GREAT threat.

Read Dr Shoemaker's book for God's sake. He's a medical professional.

He's talking about this same issue many times throughout his books. I

remember one particularly interesting story from Mold Warriors when a

company had to photocopy all their paper documents in some special

pressure chamber because they were contaminated with mycotoxins and

were still causing health problems even after the said company has

perfomed the remediation or moved to another building (can't remember

now exactly).

Several weeks ago you mentioned a guy who was on this list and who

wrote how he has built a RV and has managed to evade toxic mold. You

mentioned him as your inspiration to do the same thing, and that it

would be enough just to evade living mold colonies. Huge mistake and

selective reading of his posts! What obviously escaped your attention

was the fact that that guy - is his name - repeatedly

insisited that he was always practicing total avoidance from

MYCOTOXINS by discarding all objects that he reacted to. And most of

these objects have never had any visible mold on them. Mold spores

have always been his second priority. Don't believe me? Search for his

past messages in the archive of this group. He always emphasized he

brought NOTHING of the old belongings with himself, or if the objects

were new, he tested them in on a special place outside his RV for some

time to establish whether they are contaminated or not - and that that

was the crucial factor that enabled him the so-called total avoidance.

I have never lived a moldy home. I have never ever lived in a home

with visible or hidden mold! My home is NOT the source of the

mycotoxins. So why am I in this group and why have I felt like

absolute crap for the last 15 years? The answer is: because of the

phenomenon called cross-contamination of objects. When my neighbours

travel to other countries and stay in moldy hotels they bring on their

stuff mycotoxins and particles of mold. And that has been making my

life miserable.

-Branislav

[Guest guest]

Well put, Branislav, really well put.

One thing, though. You know, I bet that somewhere, at some point, you either

lived or worked in some place with hidden

mold that sent you into mold hypersensitivity. We don't have x-ray vision

and we can't see inside walls. I was not reactive to mold until I lived in a

building that had a huge amount of it. I lived in other older buildings many

times before that, and never got sick.

I think that there are some buildings out there that might look fine but

which are actually very bad.. Typically, they are the buildings that have

been badly maintained for a very long time.

Then perhaps someone tarts them up and makes them semi presentable but

doesn't actually remediate the insides of the walls.

Those are the places that often end up making people like us ill for the

rest of our lives.

On 11/23/06, Branislav <arealis@...> wrote:

>

>

> >> I believe there is to much hysteria and not enough facts surrounding

> > personal belongings.

> >

> > As far as houses go I think the problem is more with us than the

> > houses we live in. We are lepers. Most people do just fine in them.

> >

> > I believe the problem with belongings is that people wrongly

> > associate them with their illness instead of their homes which have

> > the capacity to expose them to millions of times more of the allergens

> > they react to than their belongings.

> >

> >

>

> ,

>

> You don't know what you are talking about. If you move out of the

> place with visible mold and bring your belongings with you, and if you

> feel better that means ONLY one thing: that YOU are not as reactive to

> mycotoxins as some of us are. You must not generalize your expeirience

> to everyone else and say that it is hysteria. It is extremely

> dangerous if you spread misinformation that mycotoxins on personal

> belongings are not a problem. They are, very much so! If not for that

> phenomenon many of us would have been cured a long time ago!

>

> It is childish of you to require peer reviewed studies that mycotoxins

> on personal objects will cause the same symptoms as the living mold.

> Until recently the medical establishment didn't want to admit that

> even massive amounts of living visible indoor mold posed any problem

> to the people who were exposed to it. When do you expect, then, that

> the medical establishment will carry out " peer reviewed " studies

> regarding the mycotoxins on objects with no visible mold growth? It

> might happen in 20 or 30 years. Should we all wait for them to do

> these peer reviewed studies and act only then, or rely on the

> experience of thousands of the members of this group who have been

> saying this all along - mycotoxins on objects, even without visible

> mold - are a GREAT threat.

>

> Read Dr Shoemaker's book for God's sake. He's a medical professional.

> He's talking about this same issue many times throughout his books. I

> remember one particularly interesting story from Mold Warriors when a

> company had to photocopy all their paper documents in some special

> pressure chamber because they were contaminated with mycotoxins and

> were still causing health problems even after the said company has

> perfomed the remediation or moved to another building (can't remember

> now exactly).

>

> Several weeks ago you mentioned a guy who was on this list and who

> wrote how he has built a RV and has managed to evade toxic mold. You

> mentioned him as your inspiration to do the same thing, and that it

> would be enough just to evade living mold colonies. Huge mistake and

> selective reading of his posts! What obviously escaped your attention

> was the fact that that guy - is his name - repeatedly

> insisited that he was always practicing total avoidance from

> MYCOTOXINS by discarding all objects that he reacted to. And most of

> these objects have never had any visible mold on them. Mold spores

> have always been his second priority. Don't believe me? Search for his

> past messages in the archive of this group. He always emphasized he

> brought NOTHING of the old belongings with himself, or if the objects

> were new, he tested them in on a special place outside his RV for some

> time to establish whether they are contaminated or not - and that that

> was the crucial factor that enabled him the so-called total avoidance.

>

> I have never lived a moldy home. I have never ever lived in a home

> with visible or hidden mold! My home is NOT the source of the

> mycotoxins. So why am I in this group and why have I felt like

> absolute crap for the last 15 years? The answer is: because of the

> phenomenon called cross-contamination of objects. When my neighbours

> travel to other countries and stay in moldy hotels they bring on their

> stuff mycotoxins and particles of mold. And that has been making my

> life miserable.

>

> -Branislav

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, actually, many newer buildings are made out of this fiberboard crap that

seems to be a nightmare for mold, so maybe I should qualify that I have

lived in a city that doesn't have a lot of that and other peoples experience

with these newer style buildings is probably different. They get moldy

quicker.

Lots of newer buildings are built out of this fake wood stuff that seems to

be much less resistant to mold than real wood is. And its also loaded with

formaldehyde..

I avoid that stuff.. No thank you!

> I think that there are some buildings out there that might look fine but

> which are actually very bad.. Typically, they are the buildings that have

> been badly maintained for a very long time.

>

> Then perhaps someone tarts them up and makes them semi presentable but

> doesn't actually remediate the insides of the walls.

>

> Those are the places that often end up making people like us ill for the

> rest of our lives.

>

>

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Felice, several have responded with some excellant recommendations

that I also would highly consider. Mainly putting your belongings in

storage and bringing one item out at a time into your new

environment. What you may react to, others may not and only you can

determine this. But use extreme caution.

Branislav, well said. You make some excellant points.

, I am not sure of the reason that you doubt cross

contamination and the severity of the reactions some may have

because of, after all that has been discussed on this board. Just

because the research may not be available, so it seems, the

discussion of this topic has come up many times on many boards with

much concern. It is not hysteria.

Based on my own experience mainly, but also on many others, let me

explain to you some incidences that took place in my life. Several

years after my wife Sharon's exposure, I believe it may have been

when she was still working in the toxic environment, or at least out

on disability and we were just beginning to understand her condition

and the cause of but had no idea of cross contamination. I worked in

the building industry, cabinetry and other fine furnishings, I did

many remodels. One kitchen I was removing cabinets getting ready to

install new, an old home, past down to other family members at this

time with a young couple with several small children. No signs of

water damage, basement, but it had the odor. As I removed these

cabinets the plaster walls had all types of mold growth occurring

with many different colors. At this time my assistants were also

aware of my situation and took immediate notice. I had informed the

owners, but of course like most didn't listen and I was told by my

boss to keep my mouth shut.

We hung the new cabinets right over the mold and I called my wife

immediately to let her know what we were doing and what I had

observed. I was working in it all day, it didn't affect any of us,

brushing up against it, kneeling in it, sitting in it and I knew the

spores and it's toxins being very much disturbed had contaminated my

clothing and everything else. I had informed my wife it probably

would be best that I undress in the garage and not take any chances.

This was on a Friday. By the time I got home we both had completely

forgot. The first thing I do upon entering the home is give her a

hug and sit and discuss the day for several hours before dinner.

Within the hour all of my wife symptoms flared up, the severe

headpain, the lymph nodes swelled, fibro, fatigue, etc.,etc.,

everything was flaring and at that time not understanding what was

taking place and why I became very angry, concerned and upset.

I was on the phone within minutes with many professionals, doctors

and government agencies looking for answers and trying to determine

the reason for her reactions. There wasn't too much anybody could

say for except, just because you are out of the environment doesn't

mean you are going to recover. I completely forgot where I was that

day until Monday morning when one of my fellow employees asked me

did your wife have any reaction. I just held my head and couldn't

believe I forgot, this was all my fault. At least I had an answer

and the reason. Her reaction lasted easily for a week.

This had also happened at another time, very similiar story.

Undressed in the garage where the washer and dryer are and I left my

clothes right in front of them, knowing they were contaminated but

not realizing the reaction she would have just by picking them up

and putting them in the washer. Now they go directly into washer by

me. This was also mind boggling at that time. The severe reaction

that she was having just by the cross contamination of my clothes.

Did it bother anyone else workers etc. no.

Did it bother me as far as a reaction, no, not even itchy eyes or

sore throat.

Where they viable or nonviable mold/spores, who knows. Bottomline

line they were disturbed and became airborne. No one at that time

could determine if they were viable or nonviable. Either way, you

inhale both and this is the reaction or the effect that it had on my

wife. They BOTH carry mycotoxins and the potency remains the same of

these toxins. It's just that nonviable (dead spores) or in a dormant

stage, because this was the middle of winter and the house was open

are just as toxic as viable. But they are able to become airborne

much easier.

Much of your reaction depends on your hypersensitivity or

reactivity, you should understand this by your own experience.

Unless yours was more of a chemical exposure from a spill that I

thought you had mentioned a while back and a mild mold exposure,

then the reactions naturally would be totally different. I can't

comment on this because I am not real familiar of the reactivity

from one who has been exposed to chemicals first and then sensitized

to mold later. This might be another reason why you are having a

hard time grasping what we are saying.

I doubted much in the beginning myself because I could not fully

grasp or understand everything involved with the mold issue and the

effects it has on individuals. Also boards like this were just

starting to appear and information (on the net) was definately no

where near where it is today.

Would I have believed then that individuals would become so reactive

or sensitized to mold/mycotoxins, that they would react to mold

growth within a sealed container? Heck no. Did I disregard it

because I did not personally experience this? Heck no. Many,

including my wife have demonstrated their sensitivity to me over and

over again. I definately didn't disregard it at that time because I

didn't understand it.

I heard of MCS in the beginning and I took notice, but I really

didn't investigate further because it didn't pertain to me at that

time. It sounded a bit far out that an individual could be so

sensitive to not only mold but basic household items. But I do

remember saying to myself, I guess it's possible. Look where I'm at

today. She gets around chemicals now she has extreme difficulty in

breathing, loses her voice for many days. Her lungs begin to fill

with fluid and many other symptom flare ups. Do I believe in MCS

now, damn right I do.

One other brief note that really opened my eyes to how sensitive she

is and this occurred first thing in the morning. After purchasing a

brand new loaf of bread that was still sitting on the counter,

Sharon was already in the kitchen and I just walked out of the

bedroom and the first thing she said is get that bread outside it

has mold in it. I almost said something that I'm sure I would have

regretted for the rest of my life, (grin) basically give me a break.

But I did what she had requested, not happily though. I took it

outside and opened it up, mind you it hadn't been opened yet. I

couldn't believe my eyes, in between many slices the bread was

moldy. I can't express how I really felt that day, but believe me I

was devastated, just how sensitive one can become and I actually had

the nerve to doubt what she was saying. Yeah, I got chocked up real

bad,I got very angry and I just stayed outside shaking my head for a

couple of minutes.

I've almost made this same mistake several times of doubting what

she was suggesting or some times even others. I've learned over many

years not to make that same mistake. When you do you will feel like

a total fool. You learn by experience and after speaking with

thousands of people the capabilities of mold or mycotoxin

infestation and the effects it can have on everyday life and ones

immune response never seems to end to surprise me.

KC

> >> I believe there is to much hysteria and not enough facts

surrounding

> > personal belongings.

> >

[Guest guest]

KC and others,

Although I share more of 's experience and do not 'react' to

things that are moldy or toxic...I don't react to

individual 'things',i.e. a shirt, a ball, that has been in moldy

environment, I don't think it is a good idea to assume it doesn't

exist. I *myself* would rather deal with a dead spore than a live

spore since at LEAST it can't infect me OR make more spores in home,

for what that's worth.

On the other hand, the pathologist I dealt with for tissue analysis

said that I will know when I have completely detoxed as I will

develope severe allergies to mold (and maybe reactions, I am adding).

So maybe I don't react yet since my immune system is still depressed

from mold illness. I had very low urine tricothecenes but since there

was some and right amount is to have none, means my body is still

working on getting rid of them. Even though it looks I've made a lot

of progress, I am not 'detoxed' yet. I hope I detox completely and I

don't develope MCS but actually hope I develope a 'reaction' to mold

around me so I know what to avoid.

--- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@...>

wrote:

>

> Felice, several have responded with some excellant recommendations

> that I also would highly consider. Mainly putting your belongings in

[Guest guest]

Felize- moving can be problematic- I have done it numerouse times- I

had insurance fix most of my house, and inspection revealed more mold-

the buyers said they would take care of it. They even wanted some of

the furniture- fine -nothing has evered bothered them. None of the

things I sold at my moving sale ever bothered anyone. I washed

everything first- but the things i took with me had to be thrown out as

they made me sick. I know it is not PC to sell the things from your

house- but 2 points I make in defense- I have not seen any problems

with the thinga I have given to friends-except I cannot visit them-2.

Even if you paid someone to take all your belongings to the dump- and

they actuall took them there instead of selling them to a second hand

shop-the pickeres at the dump would re-cycle everything back into the

second hand market-Living with and antique dealer for 16 years has

taught me that. Pickers even buy houses next to the landfill so they

can catch things when they are " new " - so the only person who will

suffer by throwing away your stuff is you.

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

KC,

I agree with your thoughts. Thanx for sharing Sharon's experiences along

w/yours. IMOP cross contamination is the worst thing you can do. Why take a

chance to ruin your new home. Really, I have never heard of anyone over my

years that didn't believe in cross contamination. Never. I've heard of them not

believing mold hurts you, but not cross contamination. Even in the classes I

took they spoke for a very long time about cross contamination, and how to help

clients avoid it. We had a group there w/a machine that also claimed to kill

mold. These guys were there to get their certification and course hours in so

they could use this unit as professionals(very nice men). When class first

started I made a small mention about viable/non-viable. They argued. I left it

alone for the time being.

But, after 4 days of hearing

professionals/reading/learning/studying/discussions. 3 of the 5 men said they

would not be selling the unit or trying to use it peoples homes. As the company

claimed it killed mold, but never mentioned what to do with the removal of

mold/spores. They even called the owner during class and mentioned this to him

and he didn't even know what they were talking about. Sometimes an in depth

education helps/sometimes it doesn't.

I am sure there are many on the board that are very sensitive to any amounts of

mold. Even a quick whiff. Some can't even leave their homes. Some as Sharon

can't even eat bread because it effects them so much. It is hard for someone to

understand how awful it can be for effected individuals unless they witness it

first hand as most of us have.

I am like you. It took me time to listen to my daughter. Many times she would

tell me we had to leave an establishment/someone's home/school as it had mold.

In the beginning I just thought in my mind, we've only been here 2 seconds how

the heck would you know. We'd stay and she'd be deathly sick. Then my guilt

would be so horrible I could hardly look at myself in a mirror. The same with

chemicals. She is MCS and I can't hardly believe some of the things she can't

stand, and how sick she gets. Because I am not like her.

You also mention cross contamination on clothes. You and Sharon have spent

countless hours helping me to understand how chemicals and cross contamination

could be the root of all evil w/her. We new our home was clean and school was.

So after we got rid of the chemicals, improved her diet, she was still having a

problem. Sharon spent days w/me on the phone. Having me go over daily

routines. I was very frustrated. Then Sharon mentioned my husband coming home

with his work clothes on. I had mentioned to her that he works w/alot strong

chemicals and that I believed there was mold in the building where he worked.

Sharon suggested the changing the clothes idea. He looked at me like I was

crazy. But, I told him to PLEASE try it for the safety and hopefully to make

our daughter better. He did it for 2 weeks, she was great. Then we had an " ER "

at our home and he flew home w/his work clothes on. She was sitting on his lap,

hugging him, and we didn't even have time to think about it. She said " dad, I'm

getting sick again. " He and I looked at each other and couldn't believe it.

She had no clue we had been doing the work clothes thing.

So, " Thank You " to you and Sharon (along with many others) for helping me

understand how sensitive some can be. It is truly amazing. But, it has made

all the difference in my children's world. See I knew and believed in cross

contamination. But, couldn't believe until I saw it w/my own eyes how lethal it

can be even for just a couple of seconds alittle bit of it. See I don't live

with it daily. I have huge compassion for her and the rest of you, I have

witnessed it. Never would I wish that on anyone or any of you.

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From: tigerpaw2c

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:07 AM

Subject: [] Re: moving

Branislav, well said. You make some excellant points.

, I am not sure of the reason that you doubt cross

contamination and the severity of the reactions some may have

because of, after all that has been discussed on this board. Just

because the research may not be available, so it seems, the

discussion of this topic has come up many times on many boards with

much concern. It is not hysteria.

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I wish I could say somthing in in defence of my posistion but

ironically the mold here in this house is getting the upper hand on me

and even though I have this computer and my bed sitting on the porch I

have to stay away from it. I need to foucus harder on my escape plan.

All the times in the past when I came here to visit, no reactivity to

it. Now it's probably worse than my trailer or my house.

No, it's not my belongins, it's definantly the house.

[Guest guest]

, could it be 'in you', your illness that comes and goes, rather

than either belongings or house?

--- In , Christ <antares41_41@...>

wrote:

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> I wish I could say somthing in in defence of my posistion but

> ironically the mold here in this house is getting the upper hand

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:57:42 -0000, you wrote:

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>, could it be 'in you', your illness that comes and goes, rather

>than either belongings or house?

Not a chance, my illness is directly related to mold. Just as the

tides are directly related to the sun and the moon. I knew their was a

mold problem here but wanted to stay here because the property is

remote and I can do whatever I want here. I could live in a metal pipe

here if I wanted to. My plan was for my trailer to magically quit

making me sick. Stupid plan. My efforts for a small used van keep

falling though, the ones I should have jumped on I hesitated and the

one I did jump on the seller backed out. What is interesting is that

I have been up here four or five times over the last ten years for a

week at a time and felt better despite the mold. Now I am so sick I

have to do something soon.

My thinking is that their is a buffer that has to overflow as far as

your exposure goes to unfamiliar molds, before you react in a profound

way. My buffer did not reach overflow point because the stay was only

a week. My body was being refreshed by the absence of the familiar

molds I left behind. The other theory is that my body did not have

time to mount an immune response to these new unfamiliar mold types

hence I did not get sick. Maybe If I go away for a year and come back

my body will now instantly react the same way it would to a specific

virus it fought off in the past. Or maybe a combination of these two

theory's.

[Guest guest]

It has been in the 70's this week in Phoenix! While it does get over 100

degrees in the summer, we all stay inside during the hottest part of the day, or

go swimming. Or drive in an air contitioned car to an air conditioned store,

etc.

There are also many beautiful cities up north in the mountains like Flagstaff,

Payson, Prescott that are much cooler than Phoenix and they get snow in the

winter. Overall, the weather is nice & there is opportunity to do activities

year round.

Good luck with your decision!