Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Ever hear of " thermapure? " a process to clean home and articles (such as a piano) in the home. You can look it up on-line. And thanks for all the in-put on " vinegar " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 I wonder how much this costs for a 2,000 sq ft home. > > Ever hear of " thermapure? " a process to clean home and articles (such as a piano) in the home. You can look it up on-line. > And thanks for all the in-put on " vinegar " . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 There is absolutely no reason to believe their claims that mild heat can do anything besides dry things out.. To make a long story short, professional mold remediators have told me and others that this heat treatment thing is basically not at all what its cracked up to be.. It doesn't deactivate mycotoxins at all.. Property owners are often desperate for a quick fix, so they believe it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 I don't believe they claim to deactivate mold toxins. The ad I saw claims to kill mold and bacteria and similar microbes. Posted by: " LiveSimply " quackadillian@... Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:25 am (PST) To make a long story short, professional mold remediators have told me and others that this heat treatment thing is basically not at all what its cracked up to be.. It doesn't deactivate mycotoxins at all.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 So, you don't see a claim to 'kill mold' as being deliberately misleading in that even dead mold still is toxic? That is VERY misleading.. and it should be illegal.. On 11/20/06, bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: > > I don't believe they claim to deactivate mold > toxins. The ad I saw claims to kill mold and > bacteria and similar microbes. > > Posted by: " LiveSimply " quackadillian@...<quackadillian%40gmail.com> > Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:25 am (PST) > > To make a long story short, professional mold > remediators have told me and > others that this heat treatment thing is > basically not at all what its > cracked up to be.. It doesn't deactivate > mycotoxins at all.. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Both of you have given some wonderful info. Even after mold is killed and removed the spores are still toxic. That is why remediation is so costly to homes & personal items. Every inch of the home must be cleaned, including ducts, HVAC, appliances, every item in the home. Even though there may not be physical mold growth the toxins are there. This is how it was explained to me: Spores are like dust. Once mold growth starts, the spores (dust) travel thru the air, and go everywhere. Like when you clean your furniture, if you don't get enough moisture on the rag, you can see the dust flying thru the air. You can't catch it. Well, that was easy enough for me to understand and remember. I love it when someone explains something to me I can understand and better yet if I can remember it. Believe me that is not easy task either recently.LOL Many people (even some remediators/companies/doctors) think that once you have " killed " or removed the actual mold you are safe. Not so. [] Re: thermapure I don't believe they claim to deactivate mold toxins. The ad I saw claims to kill mold and bacteria and similar microbes. Posted by: " LiveSimply " quackadillian@... Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:25 am (PST) To make a long story short, professional mold remediators have told me and others that this heat treatment thing is basically not at all what its cracked up to be.. It doesn't deactivate mycotoxins at all.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Quakadillian No I don't see it as misleading. There is no proof that dead mold is as dangerous or more dangerous than live mold that I have seen. Certainly no one is in a house during heat procedure nor anytime soon afterward since it has to be hepa vacuumed out afterwards. If house is a 'mold pit', that would be different. I didn't see where it claimed to turn a mold pit into salvagable property. You are a very inaccurate reader. Not long ago proposing myself and others might be here to slam CSM and Dr Shoe, while actually I am patient of Dr Shoe's and am a mold sufferer like others here as anyone in this group as long as you can see clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 The place would have to be hepa vaccumed afterwards. I am not expert on Thermapure but think it could be helpful in a home that has moderate problems with highly sensitive person. Solutions need to be tailored to individual situation I'm sure, of the people and the house. If you assume that no mold should be killed, homes can not be built and lived in by anyone. These extremes in thinking are not helpful. Some people probably cannot live in any home that has had significant mold exposure no matter what is done, but I would venture to say that most people could live in remediated home where mold was removed where reasonable and killed where it could not be removed. > > Both of you have given some wonderful info. Even after mold is killed and removed the spores are still toxic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 As far as the Thermapure treatment goes, I see that it has been extensively discussed on the IEQuality board with various pros and cons. If they experts in this field are not in agreement with this procedure and still hashing it out, then it really mote for many here to be arguing this procedure. We definately are not the experts as far as what procedure works the best. What may work for one person may or may not work for another. The posts concerning this issue are starting to get a bit " miffed " , so I am requesting that further " discussion/argument " be taken to the emails. This looks like another no win discussion as far as remediation treatments, just another one that will start to set tempers flaring. > > > > Both of you have given some wonderful info. Even after mold is > killed and removed the spores are still toxic. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Respectfully, may I ask if being a patient of Dr. Shoe " s has made a difference for you? Are you better? Did he find abnormalities in you test restults? bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Quakadillian No I don't see it as misleading. There is no proof that dead mold is as dangerous or more dangerous than live mold that I have seen. Certainly no one is in a house during heat procedure nor anytime soon afterward since it has to be hepa vacuumed out afterwards. If house is a 'mold pit', that would be different. I didn't see where it claimed to turn a mold pit into salvagable property. You are a very inaccurate reader. Not long ago proposing myself and others might be here to slam CSM and Dr Shoe, while actually I am patient of Dr Shoe's and am a mold sufferer like others here as anyone in this group as long as you can see clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Mycotoxins being heat stable to 5,000 degrees-and it is mycotoxins that make us sick- heating the mold will prevent it from putting out new mycotoxins- but all the ones previously released are still there-and studies have shown them stable after 2 years- it is more than 2 years for my stored items- believe me they are still hot. > > Quakadillian > No I don't see it as misleading. There is no > proof that dead mold is as dangerous or more > dangerous than live mold that I have seen. > Certainly no one is in a house during heat > procedure nor anytime soon afterward since it has > to be hepa vacuumed out afterwards. If house is > a 'mold pit', that would be different. I didn't > see where it claimed to turn a mold pit into > salvagable property. > You are a very inaccurate reader. Not long ago > proposing myself and others might be here to slam > CSM and Dr Shoe, while actually I am patient of > Dr Shoe's and am a mold sufferer like others here > as anyone in this group as long as you can see > clearly. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hi , I am sure it would not make a safe home for anyone as reactive to mold to you or others in this group, but IEQ professionals had mixed reviews, it was not determined to be ineffective. Also person who is touting it is also an IEQ professional himself, so I'm just saying it should not be dismissed and may be a solution for some people. Also I saw where he did say it will not get rid of tricothecenes in particular but some toxins are deactivated (perhaps endotoxins). Anyway, I'm out of my league here talking about ThermaPure. Don't know that much about it, just didn't want it to be misrepresented. We need accurate statements, not confusion. --- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: > > Mycotoxins being heat stable to 5,000 degrees-and it is mycotoxins that > make us sick- heating the mold will prevent it from putting out new > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 , I dont think that is 5000 degrees.. maybe 500 degrees? (Does anyone know where this figure came from? It seems to be an oft-repeated thing, but who/what was the source?) (if it is 500 degrees Celsius, that would be much hotter than 500 degrees Fahrenheit..) Still, that is much too hot to make demycotoxification by heat practical for us.. I think the thermapure method is mostly used to dry out bacteria sources and neutralize persistant smells..at least that seems to be what the folks over on iequality agree on its proper use.. The responsible folk over there don't seem to like to see it promoted as a mold cleanup tool, except as part of a larger plan to eliminate it in other ways too.. (i.e. physically, by removal..) It doesn't seem hot enough to me to really kill mold spores, either.. On 11/23/06, carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: > > Mycotoxins being heat stable to 5,000 degrees-and it is mycotoxins that > make us sick- heating the mold will prevent it from putting out new > mycotoxins- but all the ones previously released are still there-and > studies have shown them stable after 2 years- it is more than 2 years > for my stored items- believe me they are still hot. > > > > > > Quakadillian > > No I don't see it as misleading. There is no > > proof that dead mold is as dangerous or more > > dangerous than live mold that I have seen. > > Certainly no one is in a house during heat > > procedure nor anytime soon afterward since it has > > to be hepa vacuumed out afterwards. If house is > > a 'mold pit', that would be different. I didn't > > see where it claimed to turn a mold pit into > > salvagable property. > > You are a very inaccurate reader. Not long ago > > proposing myself and others might be here to slam > > CSM and Dr Shoe, while actually I am patient of > > Dr Shoe's and am a mold sufferer like others here > > as anyone in this group as long as you can see > > clearly. > > > > Messages in this topic > </message/45582;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dDViNXVx\ BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRtc2dJZAM0NTY2NQRzZWMD\ ZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzExNjQzMDYzMDMEdHBjSWQDNDU1ODI->( > 12) Reply (via web post) > </post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMGtyMTZ2BF9TAzk3M\ zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRtc2dJZAM0NTY2NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsa\ wNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzExNjQzMDYzMDM-?act=reply & messageNum=45665>| Start > a new topic > </post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYXZuYzZxBF9TAzk3M\ zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lA\ zExNjQzMDYzMDM-> > Messages</messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbWc4a\ GllBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc\ 2dzBHN0aW1lAzExNjQzMDYzMDM->| > Files</files;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZzJiMThxBF9\ TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNmaWxlcwR\ zdGltZQMxMTY0MzA2MzAz>| > Photos</photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJjN21pdmJnB\ F9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwaG90B\ HN0aW1lAzExNjQzMDYzMDM->| > Database</database;_ylc=X3oDMTJhbHBhd\ TFjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNkY\ gRzdGltZQMxMTY0MzA2MzAz>| > Polls</polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNzh1NTE3BF9\ TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwb2xscwR\ zdGltZQMxMTY0MzA2MzAz>| > Calendar</calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJiamljM\ jk2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNjY\ WwEc3RpbWUDMTE2NDMwNjMwMw--> > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > [image: Groups]<;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNzQ0MjFxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAz\ Q1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTE2NDMwNjMwMw--> > Change settings via the Web</join;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMGEwbmJjBF9TAz\ k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdG\ ltZQMxMTY0MzA2MzAz>( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest<-digest ?subject=Email+Delivery:+Digest>| Switch > format to Traditional<-traditional ?subject=Change+Delivery+Fo\ rmat:+Traditional> > Visit Your Group > <;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZmM5Ym1yBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz\ E0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTE2ND\ MwNjMwMw-->| > Groups Terms of Use <> | Unsubscribe > <-unsubscribe ?subject=> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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