In Response to Randy Hawkke!

[Guest guest]

Greetings Randy: When I wrote my message Randy, I responded to what I

read. I could sense your desperation from the words that you wrote. At

the same time how else can I respond? I am not a professional. I am

just a caring individual who sits at the end of a telephone line and

recognizes that your are traveling a very rough road.

Also, I could simply post some thoughtful condescending words, turn off

my computer and get on with my life. For me that doesn't work. Randy

all I can do is be here. I consider myself a socially caring person.

When I wrote the message that I did, I actually went and talked to a

professional councilor before writing it.

Allow me to pass on a true story. In the spring of 1988 I happened to

be interacting with a young man who posed this question, " He asked; How

far would you go to prevent me from taking my life. " This young person

had very strong suicidal tendencies and after thinking about the

question for more than a day I wrote out a message and gave it to him.

What I said basically is that if I was in a situation where I was close

by I wouldn't be physically able to prevent him from doing the act or

deed. I went on to say that all I could do would be to offer reason and

thought so that he might see the potential left and get going and live

his life.

In your case Randy, the only thing I can say is somehow and here I don't

have either answers or questions you must do what your can.

Blessings' & Peace

D.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ray, All,

Nice to have you back & hope your trip was very enjoyable.

Might as well put my 2 cents in about G-d. In my religious upbringing I

was taught about a loving G-d, and I think one of the proofs of that was

that in treatment when all else was worthless for a very troubled person,

reminding them that G-d loves you invariably restored some hope &

perseverance. I think this is what we mostly believe deep down.

At 05:00 PM 8/21/98 -0400, you wrote:

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>, & Randy,

>I, too, get upset when folks say that something terrible was God's will.

>The greatest gift that God has given to men and women is the gift of

>fee-will. That means that someone else can make a decision, make a mistake,

>that causes you life to be messed up. Not fair, but it does happen. It is

>a powerful thing to hold control over not only your own life, but that of

>others, too. The mechanic that forgets (or deliberately chooses) to not

>replace all of the bolts when he repairs an airplane engine, or your car,

>puts you and all of those traveling with you at risk. It just goes to show

>you how much God loves us that he even puts the lives of others under our

>control.

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>>From personal experience, it does not good to blame God for the problems in

>your life. I do believe that He loves you and me and that he is willing to

>take action on our behalf. The apostle asked God to take away his

> " thorn in the flesh " three times.

>Whatever that " thorn " was, it must have been at least as debilitating as the

>chronic pain we put up with daily. God's answer to was, " My grace is

>sufficient for you. " God's grace...God's gift of strength and endurance and

>love.

>Ray in Virginia

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> Re: In Response to Randy Hawkke!

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>>From: Andy24747@... (A. )

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>>>>i was only looking to connect with people to talk to on this journey

>>of knowledge to understand why-to understand what i did wrong in this

>>life-or past lives to deserve all that fate?GOD?life? whatever you want

>>to call it has dealt me!!!!!!!!! >>

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>>I went to some very interesting workshops this summer. And they had to

>>do not only in dealing with pain but in healing in general. And what i

>>head from two different speakers, and always believed myself, is those

>>that are " healed " , not cured. (Healed being an emotional state where

>>cured is a physical state), are those who don't waste their energy

>>trying to figure why something happened to them. The truth is that we

>>will never know.

>>There are those who believe that any pain or problems that they have are

>>a punishement from God. There are those who believe any pain or problem

>>is a gift, something that we choose before coming to earth, etc, in

>>order to learn lessons, become a better person. I don't think either is

>>the whole truth but studies have shown that those who hold the second

>>belief survive better.

>>I personally believe that God doesn't have control over what happens to

>>us but that He is there to help us deal with it, if that's what we want.

>>See I kind of held your old belief system as a child growing up in an

>>abusive home. I too tried to figure out what I did wrong to deserve all

>>those things that happened to me. As I got older, I came to understand

>>that God had nothing to do with what happened to me but He was there to

>>help me heal.

>>One last thing. The whole thing really hit home after my mother's

>>murder. So many people kept calling and saying " it was God's will " . I

>>told them, in no uncertain terms that the God I believe in doesn't want

>>people to suffer and I can't imagine a God sitting somewhere going,

>>let's have this person stabbed to death today.

>>Anyway to get to the point, we don't alway have control of of lives and

>>our pain, but we can gain some control over our thoughts and beliefs.

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>>Sucess is not relative to others. It is a feeling of love and

>>accomplishment for yourself.

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