Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Good point... A gentleman that was a very good friend of a friend of mine died Friday. He was diagnosed with Fibro. I only met him once. We talked for several hours, I was being interviewed by him to do some work for him. He had a local paper and was looking for a new typist and layout person. I was hired. He also wanted me to type his new book. As we talked that afternoon, so many things about him screamed hypo at me.... I didn't say anything, it was a job interview. He left that day and was supposed to be bringing me the articles to type (he did everything long hand on loose leaf, couldn't type because of the fibro and not being able to sit up) in about a week. I never saw him again. That was May 1st. He was admitted into emergency with heart complications just a few days after I'd met with him. They said that it was malnutrition. He spent so much time sleeping he'd go for long periods with no food and then with no energy to cook ate junk. So he spent weeks in ICU on tubes and things and then got sent home. In less than 24 hours back to emergency and then to a nursing home. A place to get his strength back with care and good food. He was released and sent home. Less than two weeks later, back into emergency. Internal bleeding. They opened him up and found a 'flap' I don't really know the details.. but it seems this 'flap' wore a hole in his heart and he basically bled out internally, died on the table. Early August 15th. If he was so terribly ill nothing I could have said that day would have helped.. but I feel guilty any way for not saying it. I do know that if I ever see that in someone else again.. I'm gonna speak up. I didn't know him well, just those few hours we talked about the job, his newspaper and his book and his plans. He left several copies of his paper here for me to go over. I was to get used to his writing style and be familiar with the current layout of the paper... he had wanted to revamp the whole thing, that is why the interview lasted so long. We went over different design and layout options, he loved my ideas... Anyway.. the guy had such a great mind. From talking to him, to reading his paper (one man paper - he wrote all the articles). Such a loss... and now I wonder... was in untreated hypo.... was he pushed aside and labeled as fibro and never treated for hypo? Probably will never know.... How many more are there out there like him? Topper () http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/ http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 04:02:41 -0500 " " writes: > You know, I have a feeling that, after docs start taking these new > guidelines seriously, that a WHOLE lot of people who've been > diagnosed with > fibromyalgia (if they get a new thyroid panel), will be diagnosed > instead > with chronic untreated thyroid disease. How long has the term > fibromyalgia > been around (fibrotic-muscle-pain)? Is it since the advent of the > all-too-familiar importance of the TSH test being in the " normal " > range? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 , what a sad story! And I fear you are right. By labeling Fibromyalgia, they can then sit back and say, yup, that's it, nothing can be done for it so just take pain killers till you die. Heart problems are prevalent in untreated thyroid people just like they would be prevalent in hyperthyroid patients. The heart is a muscle. Any muscle that doesn't get the proper exercise will waste. Then add some normal exercise like walking on a moderately hot day, and voila, heart attack. What is a heart attack but a cramp in a muscle? Just a very important muscle, then when it is allowed to run too slow for too many years it does waste & get out of shape. TMilton, WV Reply to valharley@...Education before vaccination www.catshots.com --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 The " flap " ----I'm wondering if this was the mitral valve that opens and closes. Some people are born with a naturally stretched mitral valve that " snaps " downward and " flops " closed, and they may live a very long life. But others acquire it at some point in life. If it stenoses or hardens, then there's regurgitation backward, of blood, because it can no longer snap shut. I have read, in more than one place (wish I could remember where), that it can be a feature of long, ongoing, undiagnosed, chronic thyroid problems, though that is not the only cause. I think this article also brought up other autoimmune diseases, like lupus. Bringing these things together is not easy, I know. Some of the people that I work with look at me like I'm crazy when I bring up thyroid problems because they just don't view this as a serious, ongoing problem. Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? > Good point... > > A gentleman that was a very good friend of a friend of mine died Friday. > He was diagnosed with Fibro. I only met him once. We talked for several > hours, I was being interviewed by him to do some work for him. He had a > local paper and was looking for a new typist and layout person. I was > hired. He also wanted me to type his new book. > > As we talked that afternoon, so many things about him screamed hypo at > me.... I didn't say anything, it was a job interview. He left that day > and was supposed to be bringing me the articles to type (he did > everything long hand on loose leaf, couldn't type because of the fibro > and not being able to sit up) in about a week. I never saw him again. > That was May 1st. > > He was admitted into emergency with heart complications just a few days > after I'd met with him. They said that it was malnutrition. He spent so > much time sleeping he'd go for long periods with no food and then with no > energy to cook ate junk. So he spent weeks in ICU on tubes and things and > then got sent home. In less than 24 hours back to emergency and then to a > nursing home. A place to get his strength back with care and good food. > He was released and sent home. Less than two weeks later, back into > emergency. Internal bleeding. They opened him up and found a 'flap' I > don't really know the details.. but it seems this 'flap' wore a hole in > his heart and he basically bled out internally, died on the table. Early > August 15th. > > If he was so terribly ill nothing I could have said that day would have > helped.. but I feel guilty any way for not saying it. I do know that if I > ever see that in someone else again.. I'm gonna speak up. > > I didn't know him well, just those few hours we talked about the job, his > newspaper and his book and his plans. He left several copies of his paper > here for me to go over. I was to get used to his writing style and be > familiar with the current layout of the paper... he had wanted to revamp > the whole thing, that is why the interview lasted so long. We went over > different design and layout options, he loved my ideas... Anyway.. the > guy had such a great mind. From talking to him, to reading his paper (one > man paper - he wrote all the articles). Such a loss... and now I > wonder... was in untreated hypo.... was he pushed aside and labeled as > fibro and never treated for hypo? Probably will never know.... > > How many more are there out there like him? > > Topper () > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Some of the people that I work with look at >me like I'm crazy when I bring up thyroid problems because they just don't >view this as a serious, ongoing problem. > Hey and all, OK, I got a BIG question that's been stewing in the back of my curious little mind for quite some time. WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? What's causing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food doesn't have nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what? Or a combo of all of the above? Bobbi C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 , I wish...... You know how you dream about what you'd do if you win the lottery? I used to imagine helping friends, sending their kids to college.... setting up my dad to be financially independent for the rest of his life... I've added a few more things to my list. One is a fund/reserve kind of thing to help folks without insurance and medical care get there thyroids taken care of, labs, getting to a good doc, meds.. all of that... I just added a new thing.... Billboards. I want to rent Billboards all over the country and cover them with eye catching and funny things that make folks get their thyroid levels checked - correctly, with free T's and not just TSH. Every time I see that goofy little balloon guy cartoony commercial on tv about depression and them pushing anti depressants... every symptom that they bring up can also by hypo... yet to they say anything, anything at all about testing? No... they just push the happy pill... Now the commercial for Rogaine for women. Hair falling out in women in not a natural thing, it is not a sign of aging, it is not something the you use some stupid lotion for. Hair falling out in women is mostly a sign of something wrong, granted, there is a small percentage that has it as a genetic trait... but not the percentages that are now flocking for this stupid hair cure all. These women need to see this as a sign that there is something wrong, be it disease or nutrition and cure the problem not just take away a single symptom of it... So if you ever start seeing thyroid reminder billboards, it just may be that I finally won! hehehehehehe I laid in bed last night thinking about Ray..... What a shame, it might have been a birth defect.... but even so.. all the months he's been in ICU and nursing care and then he bleeds to death inside his own body... why did no one notice? It just makes me so sad. Even with my mom.. She went in with a horrible headache in the back of her head, it wasn't her normal headache.. they poked and prodded and then sent her home with Tylenol 3 and ordered two weeks of bed rest... A week later she had a gran maul (sp?) seizure. Leaking aneurysm. Granted, it's a very specific test.. but she'd had headaches all of her life.. this one was different.. they just blew her off.. " take these pain pills go lay down.. you'll be just fine... " The aneurysm was in her brain. They went in and clamped it off. We were told she only had a fifty-fifty chance of surviving. And/or she could be a vegetable, blind, deaf, paralyzed, loose her personality.. a hundred different dreadful things. She survived with some mobility problems. She was still mom, but she was different. Depressed, no will to live.. all kinds of stuff. Tons of meds... took her nine years to die. She could remember stuff that she used to be able to do but couldn't do anymore.... that tore her up. ....damn doctors.... When someone comes in and says there is something wrong. I dont' feel right, there is a pain that isn't right... I need your help to find out why and make it well... and they blow you off.... take this pill, go lay down, go exercise, find a hobby, quit being a baby and grow up, eat proper food, quit smoking, quit drinking,.. Oh I loved that one.... I heard that as a screening question every time I took mom in for checkups. She'd say that she was a smoker and right away the doc is starting up like that is the whole problem and if she quit the smoking everything else would magically go away. Yeah.. they butcher her brain to save her life after ignoring her and sending her home with pain meds and then say that all the damage from the leaking aneurysm and the brain surgery will just go away. When I got my screening questions when I went in after my storm started I was answering No to all of them. Don't smoke, don't drink, don't do drugs, no allergies, no surgeries, no major accidents, no fainting... no to everything... I'm a body builder, I can pick this guy up and slam dunk him without breaking a sweat and he starts up on this fat kick. I go in because I drop 40 pounds in 30 days and his conclusion is to go home, I need to lose weight, enjoy it. I wish I could go back to that day and punch him in the face. I was so brain washed back then. Doctors are gods, they know everything. If they say it it has to be true.... I could have died because of his personal prejudice about people that aren't of average size. I was not fat. I was muscle. But the scale said that I weighed more than the charts said I should so he said I was fat. I'm sorry... just too much stuff in my head right now about idiot doctors.. I'll never trust one again.... Topper () On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:53:23 -0500 " " writes: > The " flap " ----I'm wondering if this was the mitral valve that opens > and > closes. Some people are born with a naturally stretched mitral > valve that > " snaps " downward and " flops " closed, and they may live a very long > life. > But others acquire it at some point in life. If it stenoses or > hardens, > then there's regurgitation backward, of blood, because it can no > longer snap > shut. I have read, in more than one place (wish I could remember > where), > that it can be a feature of long, ongoing, undiagnosed, chronic > thyroid > problems, though that is not the only cause. I think this article > also > brought up other autoimmune diseases, like lupus. Bringing these > things > together is not easy, I know. Some of the people that I work with > look at > me like I'm crazy when I bring up thyroid problems because they just > don't > view this as a serious, ongoing problem. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Bobbie, I've wondered this same thing, but in looking back at our family, there are numerous " autoimmune " diseases going on. We have lupus, hyperT/Graves, HypoT and several other things I can't even pronounce. Sometimes I think there is a lot of heredity in it as well as environmental factors. Sandy~Houston Original Message: ----------------- From: Bobbi Chukran bobbi@... Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:12:08 -0500 To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? <html><body> <tt> Some of the people that I work with look at<BR> >me like I'm crazy when I bring up thyroid problems because they just don't<BR> >view this as a serious, ongoing problem.<BR> ><BR> <BR> Hey and all,<BR> <BR> OK, I got a BIG question that's been stewing in the back of my curious<BR> little mind for quite some time.<BR> <BR> WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? What's<BR> causing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food doesn't<BR> have nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what?<BR> Or a combo of all of the above?<BR> <BR> Bobbi C.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b>Yahoo! Groups Sponsor</b></font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> <td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0> <tr> <td align=center><font face=arial size=-2>ADVERTISEMENT</font><br><a href= " http://rd.yahoo.com/M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170 5094710:HM/A=1595053/R=0/SIG=124gf29oe/*http://ashnin.com/clk/muryutaitakena ttogyo?YH=3707890 & yhad=1595053 " alt= " " ><img src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/qu/quinstreet/300x250_uofp_green-ar rows2.gif " alt= " Click Here! " width= " 300 " height= " 250 " border= " 0 " ></a></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr><td><img alt= " " width=1 height=1 src= " http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1595053/rand=895773480 " ></td></tr> </table> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <br> <tt> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Sandy wrote: >...... and several other things I can't even pronounce. >Sometimes I think there is a lot of heredity in it as well as environmental >factors. > Hi Sandy, You're probably right. My mother had a huge goiter (or at least the doctor said she did......they didn't have ultrasounds then to find out for sure),and had her thyroid removed back when I was a teenager. And I have endometriosis, which is another autoimmune disease.....and my grandmother had RA.... Bobbi C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 >I'm sorry... just too much stuff in my head right now about idiot >doctors.. I'll never trust one again.... > Wow, Topper. That's a lot of STUFF to carry around, and I don't blame you for not trusting doctors. I was like that, too, until I met my PA. Granted, she's not a medical doctor, and that's what makes her different. But she's one in a million, I know. In order for the education thing to work, there has to be a lot of people in the public who've been helped by thyroid medication who aren't in the normal ranges. And we know that they're out there! Groups like this do help, but like someone said, doctors don't always trust stuff on the internet. I think this article in First will help....usually once a subject is covered in a big magazine, others jump on the bandwagon and write about the same things...... Here's another idea.....If there was an organized consumer's group of some kind that was independently sponsored (not by a pharmaceutical co.), they could get press about the issue by sending out press releases to magazins/newspapers/etc. Is there a group like that out there? I know Slomon is doing a lot, but I've never seen her writings in the mainstream press...... Bobbi C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 I'm gonna say all of the above.. Mine was genetic. I have two half sibs with TD - hyper just like I was, and one that has bi polar disorder (which is now suspected to be related to thyroid), a full brother with rheumatoid arthritis, and our mom who, thanks to 20 20 hindsight, I think was hypo Topper () On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:12:08 -0500 Bobbi Chukran writes: > Hey and all, > > OK, I got a BIG question that's been stewing in the back of my > curious little mind for quite some time. > WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? > What's > causing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food > doesn't > have nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what? > Or a combo of all of the above? > > Bobbi C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? What'scausing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food doesn'thave nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what?Or a combo of all of the above?<<<<<<<From what I've read, it could be any number of things. Like the lead in paint, mercury in silver fillings, pesticides which we all walk on (dentist office carpet, Dr's office floors, stores, etc.) then we walk on our own carpet with those same shoes and the pesticides get on our carpets. Then we're sitting there eating a cookie and drop one on the floor and pick it up (2 second rule) and gobble it down because, hey we just vacuumed, right? I think if we truly knew all the pollutants in our environment, we'd all be looking for a plastic bubble to live in somewhere. No, then again, you can't trust plastic either. So, instead of avoiding everything I just take 'normal' precautions. I've heard a lot of people hate styrofoam because it's supposedly loaded with toxins or something. I don't doubt it. But that doesn't mean I'll run screaming from a cup at the next BBQ/picnic I go to. I guess I feel the truth is somewhere in between. ) Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? Some of the people that I work with look at>me like I'm crazy when I bring up thyroid problems because they just don't>view this as a serious, ongoing problem.>Hey and all,OK, I got a BIG question that's been stewing in the back of my curiouslittle mind for quite some time.WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? What'scausing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food doesn'thave nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what?Or a combo of all of the above?Bobbi C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 All of the above and more. I believe that many many ongoing emotional and physical stressors have to do with this. I'm a BIG believer in air pollution and chemical plants having maybe more to do with it being so rampant. I know that genetic thyroid problems have been around for more than 100 years, but the rate of thyroid disease down here on the Gulf Coast is so rampant, that you can be in a room of 50 people, and at least 1/3 of them will tell you they have some sort of thyroid ailment, either Grave's, Hashimoto's, or secondary (pituitary). The chemical plants lie, #1, about containing their chemical release errors, and #2, just the daily routine amounts of Xenoestrogens in the air is unbelievable. I don't know why anyone down here would want to take estrogen, being as they're soaking it up from the outside every single day of their lives. Estrogens are in our foods, and I believe that this is why a lot of our girls have precocious puberty and develop so early these days. I bring up estrogens because ongoing exaggerated exposure is known to cause thyroid problems. Also, perchlorate is even in our lettuce, etc....It is a known cause of thyroid disorder. This society is also VERY magnesium deficient because our soil has been stripped of natural nutrients and is contamminated with pesticides (which most of us use in one form or the other). What we think of as healthy food has almost nothing in it, and, by the time we find out all these things, we've already got a failed thyroid, failed adrenal glands, and we're doing what's expected of us by most doctors, swallowing estrogen and staying in " overdrive " all the time, with the good doc still telling us we need this estrogen, instead of progesterone. Then there are the genetics----I believe that the reason we develop antibodies to our own body, whether it be the thyroid, or generally, as in lupus, is because our thyroids and other body parts have been generally poisoned, either in the womb, or in adulthood, and what else is our immune system going to do but attack it? Oh, and how could I forget the stupidity and blindness of the medical world----immagine, all those degrees, and still unable to see the forest for the trees. I could go on and on, but there's just not enough room in one darn spot! Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? > Some of the people that I work with look at > >me like I'm crazy when I bring up thyroid problems because they just don't > >view this as a serious, ongoing problem. > > > > Hey and all, > > OK, I got a BIG question that's been stewing in the back of my curious > little mind for quite some time. > > WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? What's > causing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food doesn't > have nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what? > Or a combo of all of the above? > > Bobbi C. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 >>WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? What'scausing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food doesn'thave nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what?Or a combo of all of the above?<<<<<<<<< I have my own theories about this as well. As I work with animals I know it isn't JUST humans, so that leaves out heredity except that I do think some "lines" are more susceptible to the cause than others. I think the many years we had fluoride pumped into us in drinking water, not to mention CHLORINE which I have always had an "allergy" to. Combine that with all the other pollutants and did you know many areas spray for Gypsy Moths or mosquitoes without so much as a BTW to the people who's homes and yards they are spraying? Insecticides are EVERYWHERE. In our food, in the air, in the water. I am surprised we aren't sicker.I had a friend that breeds Alaskan Malamutes that lost a whole litter of puppies. He dewormed them on the same day they sprayed for Gypsy moths. The combo killed all 9 pups. Both supposedly safe products when in combo was a killer to their small bodies. I imagine exposures like this doubling are very common these days, and I think that is one of the reasons for so much thyroid AND cancers. I also think over vaccination plays a role in this as well. TMilton, WV Reply to valharley@...Education before vaccination www.catshots.com --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 The truth is that, yes, we're bound to grow old and die because eventually the body parts wear out. However, I do not believe that it was intended that we have bent backs, dementia, ahlzheimers, strange urinary problems, attacks of violence, losing our legs, so that we can no longer walk, hair loss, extreme wrinkling. Yes, I understand that the heart wears out, after beating for 80 to 100 years, although those Tibetian (spelling?) men and women can defy this at any time.(They live to 120 or more, with straight backs, walk 20 miles a day, still having babies much later than we are, etc...). I see ridiculous problems where I work every single day, and you know, of course, that the insurance-medicare thing has everything to do with the treatment and where this person is eventually going to end up. Also, nursing homes, no matter what the owners may say, are drastically understaffed, overworked, and screaming for decent pay because aides in a nursing home do most of the hands-on work, but are generally not paid what they are worth. Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? > , > > I wish...... > > You know how you dream about what you'd do if you win the lottery? I used > to imagine helping friends, sending their kids to college.... setting up > my dad to be financially independent for the rest of his life... I've > added a few more things to my list. One is a fund/reserve kind of thing > to help folks without insurance and medical care get there thyroids taken > care of, labs, getting to a good doc, meds.. all of that... I just added > a new thing.... Billboards. I want to rent Billboards all over the > country and cover them with eye catching and funny things that make folks > get their thyroid levels checked - correctly, with free T's and not just > TSH. > > Every time I see that goofy little balloon guy cartoony commercial on tv > about depression and them pushing anti depressants... every symptom that > they bring up can also by hypo... yet to they say anything, anything at > all about testing? No... they just push the happy pill... Now the > commercial for Rogaine for women. Hair falling out in women in not a > natural thing, it is not a sign of aging, it is not something the you use > some stupid lotion for. Hair falling out in women is mostly a sign of > something wrong, granted, there is a small percentage that has it as a > genetic trait... but not the percentages that are now flocking for this > stupid hair cure all. These women need to see this as a sign that there > is something wrong, be it disease or nutrition and cure the problem not > just take away a single symptom of it... > > So if you ever start seeing thyroid reminder billboards, it just may be > that I finally won! hehehehehehe > > I laid in bed last night thinking about Ray..... What a shame, it might > have been a birth defect.... but even so.. all the months he's been in > ICU and nursing care and then he bleeds to death inside his own body... > why did no one notice? > > It just makes me so sad. Even with my mom.. She went in with a horrible > headache in the back of her head, it wasn't her normal headache.. they > poked and prodded and then sent her home with Tylenol 3 and ordered two > weeks of bed rest... A week later she had a gran maul (sp?) seizure. > Leaking aneurysm. Granted, it's a very specific test.. but she'd had > headaches all of her life.. this one was different.. they just blew her > off.. " take these pain pills go lay down.. you'll be just fine... " > > The aneurysm was in her brain. They went in and clamped it off. We were > told she only had a fifty-fifty chance of surviving. And/or she could be > a vegetable, blind, deaf, paralyzed, loose her personality.. a hundred > different dreadful things. She survived with some mobility problems. She > was still mom, but she was different. Depressed, no will to live.. all > kinds of stuff. Tons of meds... took her nine years to die. She could > remember stuff that she used to be able to do but couldn't do anymore.... > that tore her up. > > ...damn doctors.... When someone comes in and says there is something > wrong. I dont' feel right, there is a pain that isn't right... I need > your help to find out why and make it well... and they blow you off.... > take this pill, go lay down, go exercise, find a hobby, quit being a baby > and grow up, eat proper food, quit smoking, quit drinking,.. Oh I loved > that one.... I heard that as a screening question every time I took mom > in for checkups. She'd say that she was a smoker and right away the doc > is starting up like that is the whole problem and if she quit the smoking > everything else would magically go away. Yeah.. they butcher her brain to > save her life after ignoring her and sending her home with pain meds and > then say that all the damage from the leaking aneurysm and the brain > surgery will just go away. > > When I got my screening questions when I went in after my storm started I > was answering No to all of them. Don't smoke, don't drink, don't do > drugs, no allergies, no surgeries, no major accidents, no fainting... no > to everything... I'm a body builder, I can pick this guy up and slam dunk > him without breaking a sweat and he starts up on this fat kick. I go in > because I drop 40 pounds in 30 days and his conclusion is to go home, I > need to lose weight, enjoy it. I wish I could go back to that day and > punch him in the face. I was so brain washed back then. Doctors are gods, > they know everything. If they say it it has to be true.... I could have > died because of his personal prejudice about people that aren't of > average size. I was not fat. I was muscle. But the scale said that I > weighed more than the charts said I should so he said I was fat. > > I'm sorry... just too much stuff in my head right now about idiot > doctors.. I'll never trust one again.... > > Topper () > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 You know, one thing not mentioned is the human genome. If we could all just afford to go get our genes analyzed (entire families), we might be prepared for some of these things or nip them in the bud, before they had a chance to bloom--------dream on! Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? > Sandy wrote: >...... and several other things I can't even pronounce. > >Sometimes I think there is a lot of heredity in it as well as environmental > >factors. > > > > Hi Sandy, > > You're probably right. My mother had a huge goiter (or at least the doctor > said she did......they didn't have ultrasounds then to find out for > sure),and had her thyroid removed back when I was a teenager. And I have > endometriosis, which is another autoimmune disease.....and my grandmother > had RA.... > > Bobbi C. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 > Estrogens are in our >foods, and I believe that this is why a lot of our girls have precocious >puberty and develop so early these days. I bring up estrogens because >ongoing exaggerated exposure is known to cause thyroid problems> Yep. There's a book out called Our Stolen Future which talks exactly about this. The whole estrogen thing has been proven to be the cause of endometriosis, too. << What we think of as >healthy food has almost nothing in it,..>> Yep, that's why I grow as much of my own food as possible, and buy organic the rest of the time when we can. I KNOW it's healthier for us.......I've read that conventional vegetables have no nutrients in them anymore, anyway........ Bobbi C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I grew up in FT Lauderdale and they had big fog trucks of mosquito repellent that we used to ride our bikes after! Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? >>WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? What'scausing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food doesn'thave nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what?Or a combo of all of the above?<<<<<<<<< I have my own theories about this as well. As I work with animals I know it isn't JUST humans, so that leaves out heredity except that I do think some "lines" are more susceptible to the cause than others. I think the many years we had fluoride pumped into us in drinking water, not to mention CHLORINE which I have always had an "allergy" to. Combine that with all the other pollutants and did you know many areas spray for Gypsy Moths or mosquitoes without so much as a BTW to the people who's homes and yards they are spraying? Insecticides are EVERYWHERE. In our food, in the air, in the water. I am surprised we aren't sicker.I had a friend that breeds Alaskan Malamutes that lost a whole litter of puppies. He dewormed them on the same day they sprayed for Gypsy moths. The combo killed all 9 pups. Both supposedly safe products when in combo was a killer to their small bodies. I imagine exposures like this doubling are very common these days, and I think that is one of the reasons for so much thyroid AND cancers. I also think over vaccination plays a role in this as well. TMilton, WV Reply to valharley@...Education before vaccination www.catshots.com --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Got you beat there.. I drove the trucks in Minnesota for five years... loaded choppers, treated breeding sites, ran backpack foggers and was on the crew that made the first batch of synthetic hormone briquets for two winters. The stuff that we were using was supposed to be safe.. we got blood tests every four weeks to be sure... but... well... now I wonder..... Nice big organization to file suit against... but I have a family history of TD so probably wouldn't stand a chance of proving anything even if the pesticides did trigger the storm. (Storm started, to where I noticed things, about 3 years after I left) Topper ()http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:12 -0700 "JAMY" writes: I grew up in FT Lauderdale and they had big fog trucks of mosquito repellent that we used to ride our bikes after! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Hi, Bobbie C, It is probably all of the things you mentioned, but I think there is more. Here are a number of my concerns. Many of the things that never had a long shelf life in the stores now have preservatives in them. How do we know that these are good if ingested? I mean, what sort of FDA testing is done on these? Then there are the huge number of artificial ingredients used in many products, when the only reason for doing this is to provide a bigger profit for the or company owner(s). Things like Aspartame are " okay " because they are made from a natural item (corn), yet there are increasing numbers of people who have weight gain and other medical problems after using Aspartame and similar products for extended periods of time. Look at the substitutions made in simple things like macaroni and cheese. Soy is used as an expander in ground meats. Soy can be poison to folks with thyroid problems. Often the fact that a filler or expander or other ingredient originates from soy is not even mentioned on the labels. Finally, lets not forget the fact that the farmers are using various chemicals to get rid of insects and prevent spoilage. The cattle people are using hormones in the feed that they give to the animals to make them grow faster and fatter. Just how healthy is our food supply? Small wonder that we need to supplement a child's diet with Ensure to provide adequate nutrition. Yet Ensure is based on soy.... I really think that we need to protest for " Truth in Labeling " but also insist on being told what these growers and producers used before the raw product was converted to what is available in the stores. It's maddening! Dianne At 08:12 AM 8/19/03 -0500, you wrote: >Hey and all, > >OK, I got a BIG question that's been stewing in the back of my curious >little mind for quite some time. > >WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? What's >causing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food doesn't >have nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what? >Or a combo of all of the above? > >Bobbi C. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Dianne, you've got a point there. When I was so ill with immune problems caused from chemicals, my spec. recommended I use Stevia, a herb. I've used it for three years instead of Sweet n Low or whatever. I use the powdered form and order it in boxes off the Internet to save money. I carry it in my purse and NEVER use anything else. It's just one small way we can fight the chemicals. Nanette Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? Hi, Bobbie C, It is probably all of the things you mentioned, but I think there is more. Here are a number of my concerns. Many of the things that never had a long shelf life in the stores now have preservatives in them. How do we know that these are good if ingested? I mean, what sort of FDA testing is done on these? Then there are the huge number of artificial ingredients used in many products, when the only reason for doing this is to provide a bigger profit for the or company owner(s). Things like Aspartame are "okay" because they are made from a natural item (corn), yet there are increasing numbers of people who have weight gain and other medical problems after using Aspartame and similar products for extended periods of time. Look at the substitutions made in simple things like macaroni and cheese. Soy is used as an expander in ground meats. Soy can be poison to folks with thyroid problems. Often the fact that a filler or expander or other ingredient originates from soy is not even mentioned on the labels. Finally, lets not forget the fact that the farmers are using various chemicals to get rid of insects and prevent spoilage. The cattle people are using hormones in the feed that they give to the animals to make them grow faster and fatter. Just how healthy is our food supply? Small wonder that we need to supplement a child's diet with Ensure to provide adequate nutrition. Yet Ensure is based on soy.... I really think that we need to protest for "Truth in Labeling" but also insist on being told what these growers and producers used before the raw product was converted to what is available in the stores. It's maddening! DianneAt 08:12 AM 8/19/03 -0500, you wrote:>Hey and all,>>OK, I got a BIG question that's been stewing in the back of my curious>little mind for quite some time.>>WHY are thyroid problems so prevalent these days, in your opinions? What's>causing this? Is it environmental stuff, the fact that our food doesn't>have nutrients/vitamins in it anymore, pollution....genetics.......what?>Or a combo of all of the above?>>Bobbi C.>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I traded red M and M's for brown at a 5 to one ratio so I could lick them and use the dye as lipstick. Also both my parents were cocktails people, and so we had Shirley Temples everynight while they drank. I figure all that red dye, I am screwed regardless!!!! LOL Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? Got you beat there.. I drove the trucks in Minnesota for five years... loaded choppers, treated breeding sites, ran backpack foggers and was on the crew that made the first batch of synthetic hormone briquets for two winters. The stuff that we were using was supposed to be safe.. we got blood tests every four weeks to be sure... but... well... now I wonder..... Nice big organization to file suit against... but I have a family history of TD so probably wouldn't stand a chance of proving anything even if the pesticides did trigger the storm. (Storm started, to where I noticed things, about 3 years after I left) Topper ()http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:12 -0700 "JAMY" writes: I grew up in FT Lauderdale and they had big fog trucks of mosquito repellent that we used to ride our bikes after! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I traded red M and M's for brown at a 5 to one ratio so I could lick them and use the dye as lipstick. Also both my parents were cocktails people, and so we had Shirley Temples everynight while they drank. I figure all that red dye, I am screwed regardless!!!! LOL Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? Got you beat there.. I drove the trucks in Minnesota for five years... loaded choppers, treated breeding sites, ran backpack foggers and was on the crew that made the first batch of synthetic hormone briquets for two winters. The stuff that we were using was supposed to be safe.. we got blood tests every four weeks to be sure... but... well... now I wonder..... Nice big organization to file suit against... but I have a family history of TD so probably wouldn't stand a chance of proving anything even if the pesticides did trigger the storm. (Storm started, to where I noticed things, about 3 years after I left) Topper ()http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:12 -0700 "JAMY" writes: I grew up in FT Lauderdale and they had big fog trucks of mosquito repellent that we used to ride our bikes after! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 OMG, that is sooooo funny. That sounds like something my daughter would do. She was like 6 yrs. when she one day "accidentally" got pink marker perfectly colored on her lips like lipstick. I thought we'd never get that stuff off. Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? Got you beat there.. I drove the trucks in Minnesota for five years... loaded choppers, treated breeding sites, ran backpack foggers and was on the crew that made the first batch of synthetic hormone briquets for two winters. The stuff that we were using was supposed to be safe.. we got blood tests every four weeks to be sure... but... well... now I wonder..... Nice big organization to file suit against... but I have a family history of TD so probably wouldn't stand a chance of proving anything even if the pesticides did trigger the storm. (Storm started, to where I noticed things, about 3 years after I left) Topper ()http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:12 -0700 "JAMY" writes: I grew up in FT Lauderdale and they had big fog trucks of mosquito repellent that we used to ride our bikes after! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 OMG, that is sooooo funny. That sounds like something my daughter would do. She was like 6 yrs. when she one day "accidentally" got pink marker perfectly colored on her lips like lipstick. I thought we'd never get that stuff off. Re: Fibro Thyroid linked? Got you beat there.. I drove the trucks in Minnesota for five years... loaded choppers, treated breeding sites, ran backpack foggers and was on the crew that made the first batch of synthetic hormone briquets for two winters. The stuff that we were using was supposed to be safe.. we got blood tests every four weeks to be sure... but... well... now I wonder..... Nice big organization to file suit against... but I have a family history of TD so probably wouldn't stand a chance of proving anything even if the pesticides did trigger the storm. (Storm started, to where I noticed things, about 3 years after I left) Topper ()http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:12 -0700 "JAMY" writes: I grew up in FT Lauderdale and they had big fog trucks of mosquito repellent that we used to ride our bikes after! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 > Dianne, you've got a point there. When I was so ill with immune >problems caused from chemicals, my spec. recommended I use Stevia, a >herb. I've used it for three years instead of Sweet n Low or whatever. >I use the powdered form and order it in boxes off the Internet to save >money. I carry it in my purse and NEVER use anything else. It's just one >small way we can fight the chemicals. > Hey Nanette, YES! Stevia is a great substitute for sugar! I'm still trying to figure out measurements and all, but use it all the time. Have you found any good recipes for using it? Where do you order it on the internet? Thanks! Bobbi C. Herbal Snob............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 > Dianne, you've got a point there. When I was so ill with immune >problems caused from chemicals, my spec. recommended I use Stevia, a >herb. I've used it for three years instead of Sweet n Low or whatever. >I use the powdered form and order it in boxes off the Internet to save >money. I carry it in my purse and NEVER use anything else. It's just one >small way we can fight the chemicals. > Hey Nanette, YES! Stevia is a great substitute for sugar! I'm still trying to figure out measurements and all, but use it all the time. Have you found any good recipes for using it? Where do you order it on the internet? Thanks! Bobbi C. Herbal Snob............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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