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You mentioned you live on a farm. It may or may not be the animals but

it certainly could be dust, mold, tress, grass..all kinds of other

things...Have you ever had allergy testing or kept a journal to try and pin

any allergies down. What about food allergies. Are you allergic to milk? You

prob have heard this but many asthmatics have underlying allergies in which

they are not aware. Doctors still aren't so up on the allergy aspect. They

hit the top ones such as pets and irritants such as smoke but some are hard

pressed to delve further. I have a child who is asthmatic with multiple

allergies. I know when she has been exposed even in the smallest of ways

because her peak flows drop and her asthma flares. She also has some

allergies which are anaphylaxis and of course you know those right away too.

Something about not breathing gives those away! <G> Also, don't always depend

on skin tests! They are certainly not 100%. They may give you a place to

start though.

Donna

Asthmatic myself and mother of age 7 asthma and multiple allergies

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You mentioned you live on a farm. It may or may not be the animals but

it certainly could be dust, mold, tress, grass..all kinds of other

things...Have you ever had allergy testing or kept a journal to try and pin

any allergies down. What about food allergies. Are you allergic to milk? You

prob have heard this but many asthmatics have underlying allergies in which

they are not aware. Doctors still aren't so up on the allergy aspect. They

hit the top ones such as pets and irritants such as smoke but some are hard

pressed to delve further. I have a child who is asthmatic with multiple

allergies. I know when she has been exposed even in the smallest of ways

because her peak flows drop and her asthma flares. She also has some

allergies which are anaphylaxis and of course you know those right away too.

Something about not breathing gives those away! <G> Also, don't always depend

on skin tests! They are certainly not 100%. They may give you a place to

start though.

Donna

Asthmatic myself and mother of age 7 asthma and multiple allergies

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Donna, I had the whole skin testing on my back and bunches down my arms.

All tree pollens, mold, mildew, dust mites, cats and a bunch of others. I'm

not allergic to any foods that he tried; however, I know that when I eat

nuts my tongue hurts and feels swollen. I have a geographic tongue and that

could be a problem. I know if I'm around cigarette smoke, perfumes and a

number of other things I'll be sick within no time. Usually bronchitis and

sometimes worse.

We have very dry skin and I know I'm allergic to Avon's Skin So Soft as I

get tiny itchy sores all over when I used it twice before. I tried to find

something with less chemicals for bug bites as the sores will stay on me for

months. I don't heal well.

Thanks for writing and I'm always open to suggestions. I am trying some

under-the-tongue herbal tablets but don't have any opinions yet. It may

take me a while to form a real opinion.

Marling

Everafter Farms and Homeschool

Searcy, AR

Family includes Nubian goats, pigs,

chickens, ducks, Angora rabbits

and anything else that gets dropped off

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: ,

:

: You mentioned you live on a farm. It may or may not be the animals

but

: it certainly could be dust, mold, tress, grass..all kinds of other

: things...Have you ever had allergy testing or kept a journal to try and

pin

: any allergies down. What about food allergies. Are you allergic to milk?

You

: prob have heard this but many asthmatics have underlying allergies in

which

: they are not aware. Doctors still aren't so up on the allergy aspect. They

: hit the top ones such as pets and irritants such as smoke but some are

hard

: pressed to delve further. I have a child who is asthmatic with multiple

: allergies. I know when she has been exposed even in the smallest of ways

: because her peak flows drop and her asthma flares. She also has some

: allergies which are anaphylaxis and of course you know those right away

too.

: Something about not breathing gives those away! <G> Also, don't always

depend

: on skin tests! They are certainly not 100%. They may give you a place to

: start though.

:

: Donna

: Asthmatic myself and mother of age 7 asthma and multiple allergies

:

: :

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Donna, I had the whole skin testing on my back and bunches down my arms.

All tree pollens, mold, mildew, dust mites, cats and a bunch of others. I'm

not allergic to any foods that he tried; however, I know that when I eat

nuts my tongue hurts and feels swollen. I have a geographic tongue and that

could be a problem. I know if I'm around cigarette smoke, perfumes and a

number of other things I'll be sick within no time. Usually bronchitis and

sometimes worse.

We have very dry skin and I know I'm allergic to Avon's Skin So Soft as I

get tiny itchy sores all over when I used it twice before. I tried to find

something with less chemicals for bug bites as the sores will stay on me for

months. I don't heal well.

Thanks for writing and I'm always open to suggestions. I am trying some

under-the-tongue herbal tablets but don't have any opinions yet. It may

take me a while to form a real opinion.

Marling

Everafter Farms and Homeschool

Searcy, AR

Family includes Nubian goats, pigs,

chickens, ducks, Angora rabbits

and anything else that gets dropped off

everafter@...

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: From: AesSidhe@...

:

:

:

: ,

:

: You mentioned you live on a farm. It may or may not be the animals

but

: it certainly could be dust, mold, tress, grass..all kinds of other

: things...Have you ever had allergy testing or kept a journal to try and

pin

: any allergies down. What about food allergies. Are you allergic to milk?

You

: prob have heard this but many asthmatics have underlying allergies in

which

: they are not aware. Doctors still aren't so up on the allergy aspect. They

: hit the top ones such as pets and irritants such as smoke but some are

hard

: pressed to delve further. I have a child who is asthmatic with multiple

: allergies. I know when she has been exposed even in the smallest of ways

: because her peak flows drop and her asthma flares. She also has some

: allergies which are anaphylaxis and of course you know those right away

too.

: Something about not breathing gives those away! <G> Also, don't always

depend

: on skin tests! They are certainly not 100%. They may give you a place to

: start though.

:

: Donna

: Asthmatic myself and mother of age 7 asthma and multiple allergies

:

: :

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Hi ,

Actually what they've done is get me hypo (for the time being) by never

adjusting the meds. I don't mind being given the choice, but the treatment

which was shoddy to begin with is what got me to this point. Taking

somebody off and on thyroid meds is not the way my new Endo or Gynecologist

both say it should have been done. I tend to agree with them. The

disheartening part is that this makes one wonder what the Dr was up to by

using these practices? I myself am almost convinced this was done to get

me to the point where I'd have agreed to do anything they wanted to do just

for relief. Can't prove it, but the treatment really speaks for itself.

And your right, most Dr's won't remove it surgically unless cancer is

involved or so I've been told. They all prefer RAI. I just didn't think

that jumping to the first solution they all suggested was the best for me.

Sandy

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From: marin@...

Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:02:07 -0500

To: texas_thyroid_groups

Subject: Re: New to group.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought there were two options here: either

the RAI or surgery to remove the thyroid. I heard that they don't like to

operate on it anymore unless they have to, and will usually opt for the

RAI, if nothing else works. I think that hyperthyroidism sometimes causes

weight loss, but sometimes causes weight gain, but everyone is so

individual. I really can't give medical advice, but I know that I would

opt for the RAI, in this case, since it's been awhile, and nothing else is

working. Then, you'd be dealing with the hypo part. I'm only assuming

that your T4 is high most of the time, with low TSH.

marin@...

New to group.

Hi, I'm Sandy and I live in Houston. I was diagnosed as Hyperthryoid

back

in Nov of 2001. I've had a few problems with the Dr I was seeing,

who kept

taking me off the meds, only for my symptoms to return. I started on

anti-thyroid drugs in Dec of 2001 and by April 2002, Dr had taken me

off

because my #'s were 'normal'. Took about 2 - 3 weeks, all symptoms

back

and I felt awful. Started taking Methimazole again when I complained

of

how bad I felt to the Dr and he said to start taking them again.

About 3

months later, #'s were normal so off I came again at his request. I

feel

like I was on a roller coaster ride which I didn't appreciate in the

least.

The constant weight gain since Thanksgiving I can live without also.

Nothing seems to work in that dept as far as losing weight.

Now, new things are starting to happen. Since Dec, I've had frequent

periods of anywhere from 17-22 days. Till this month, nothing. Can

this

off and on the drugs cause this? I'm currently taking Methimazole,

20 mgs

(down from 30 mgs) every morning and 1-50 mg Atenolol. I'm 48 and

never

been this irregular, so it's kinda got me a little concerned. I'm

feeling

better since the meds were reduced, but sometimes wonder if I'll ever

feel

100% again. My new dr says that even though my test #'s are close to

normal, it's not good to just be taken off the meds cold turkey so

he's cut

them down and I get blood work done again in two months. I just

weighed

and seemed to have managed to have dropped a few lbs, about 6- 8 lbs

which

is rather odd too since I started on Methimazole. Any suggestions?

Sandy

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Hi ,

Actually what they've done is get me hypo (for the time being) by never

adjusting the meds. I don't mind being given the choice, but the treatment

which was shoddy to begin with is what got me to this point. Taking

somebody off and on thyroid meds is not the way my new Endo or Gynecologist

both say it should have been done. I tend to agree with them. The

disheartening part is that this makes one wonder what the Dr was up to by

using these practices? I myself am almost convinced this was done to get

me to the point where I'd have agreed to do anything they wanted to do just

for relief. Can't prove it, but the treatment really speaks for itself.

And your right, most Dr's won't remove it surgically unless cancer is

involved or so I've been told. They all prefer RAI. I just didn't think

that jumping to the first solution they all suggested was the best for me.

Sandy

Original Message:

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From: marin@...

Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:02:07 -0500

To: texas_thyroid_groups

Subject: Re: New to group.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought there were two options here: either

the RAI or surgery to remove the thyroid. I heard that they don't like to

operate on it anymore unless they have to, and will usually opt for the

RAI, if nothing else works. I think that hyperthyroidism sometimes causes

weight loss, but sometimes causes weight gain, but everyone is so

individual. I really can't give medical advice, but I know that I would

opt for the RAI, in this case, since it's been awhile, and nothing else is

working. Then, you'd be dealing with the hypo part. I'm only assuming

that your T4 is high most of the time, with low TSH.

marin@...

New to group.

Hi, I'm Sandy and I live in Houston. I was diagnosed as Hyperthryoid

back

in Nov of 2001. I've had a few problems with the Dr I was seeing,

who kept

taking me off the meds, only for my symptoms to return. I started on

anti-thyroid drugs in Dec of 2001 and by April 2002, Dr had taken me

off

because my #'s were 'normal'. Took about 2 - 3 weeks, all symptoms

back

and I felt awful. Started taking Methimazole again when I complained

of

how bad I felt to the Dr and he said to start taking them again.

About 3

months later, #'s were normal so off I came again at his request. I

feel

like I was on a roller coaster ride which I didn't appreciate in the

least.

The constant weight gain since Thanksgiving I can live without also.

Nothing seems to work in that dept as far as losing weight.

Now, new things are starting to happen. Since Dec, I've had frequent

periods of anywhere from 17-22 days. Till this month, nothing. Can

this

off and on the drugs cause this? I'm currently taking Methimazole,

20 mgs

(down from 30 mgs) every morning and 1-50 mg Atenolol. I'm 48 and

never

been this irregular, so it's kinda got me a little concerned. I'm

feeling

better since the meds were reduced, but sometimes wonder if I'll ever

feel

100% again. My new dr says that even though my test #'s are close to

normal, it's not good to just be taken off the meds cold turkey so

he's cut

them down and I get blood work done again in two months. I just

weighed

and seemed to have managed to have dropped a few lbs, about 6- 8 lbs

which

is rather odd too since I started on Methimazole. Any suggestions?

Sandy

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My opinion: If you can get along w/o the estrogen, period, might be better all the way around, but, if you're going to use it at all, I'm thinking that everything I've read is that the estradiol is the most dangerous. I've seen many articles on the ratios of the 3 main estrogens, and if it's all being determined by BLOOD tests, I don't see how it's accurate at all. Go figure----if we have a rise and fall of hormones during each succeeding day during our monthly cycles, while we still have ovaries, what makes anyone think that one blood test on one given day accurately depicts what our overall levels are on a general basis. The saliva tests are better. Also, what many doctors fail to recognize is that the adrenals pick up on making estrogen during the premenopausal/postmenopausal years, but they fail to even look at the adrenal insufficiency problem, period. And most doctors fail to recognize the fact that progesterone is needed for many more things than just to keep the uterine lining "acting right". Most think that, if you have no uterus, you no longer need this hormone. Granted, we can all get too much of a good thing, but this 2nd doctor's thinking seems pretty par for the course to me. Another thing is that I'll never think that Premarin or any female horse hormone is in any way similar to our own, whether PO, patch, or whatever. Funny how our own natural hormones that we have in our youth don't run our BP up or give us blood clots in the lung or legs.

I am hoping someone will have some answers on this. I am in premenopause with almost no estridiol and progesterone levels but do have testosterone and dhea. My DR who is a holistic DR I guess you could say out me on bi-est gel at 2.5 mg and 100 mg progesterone topical creme. I had spoken with another MD aside from my DR who told me this was bad. Now first, I will show the literature I had found on the bi-est, like it lowers cancer risk with the 80 % estriol and 20%estradiol. I am to use the bi-est everyday and the progesterone from day 12 of my period to day 22. I am a 49 year old. After that inf., I will include what the other DR told me. Does anyone have any inf. either way on this? I am more confused than ever?????

Estrone (E1)Estrone (E1) is the estrogen most commonly found in increased amounts in post-menopausal women. The body derives it from the hormones that are stored in body fat. Estrone does the same work that estradiol does, but it is considered weaker in its effects.

Estradiol (E2)Estradiol (E2), the principal estrogen found in a woman's body during the reproductive years, is produced by the ovaries. Estradiol is very effective for the symptomatic relief of hot flashes, genitourinary symptoms, osteoporosis prophylaxis, psychological well being and reduction of coronary artery disease.

Because it is much more potent than stroll, it can be more effective for symptomatic relief than estriol. When Estradiol is replaced using a parenteral (sublingual, percutaneous, or transdermal) route, it is not subject to first pass metabolism by the liver, and therefore does no produce high levels of Estrone. Using these routes of administration a woman can mimic the physiologic release of estradiol from the ovaries, thus receiving natural hormone replacement.

Estriol (E3)Estriol (E3) is the weakest of the three major estrogens. In fact, it is 1000 times weaker in its effect on breast tissue. Estriol is the estrogen that is made in large quantities during pregnancy and has potential protective properties against the production of cancerous cells.

Estriol is the estrogen most beneficial to the vagina, cervix and vulva. In cases of vaginal dryness and atrophy, which predisposes a woman to vaginitis and cystitis, topical estriol is the most effective and safest estrogen to use. Because of this estriol is better than estradiol for the treatment of urinary tract infections.

Estriol is not available in most drug stores, although it has been used widely in Europe for over fifty years. Because estriol cannot be patented it does not hold much interest for the pharmaceutical industry. Its availability through compounding has caused its use to grow rapidly throughout the country.

BiestBiest is a combination of two estrogens: estriol and estradiol. It is most commonly found in a ratio of 80:20, estriol to estradiol. This combination allows for all of the protection of estriol while providing the cardiovascular and osteoporosis benefits along with the vasomotor symptom relief of estradiol.

Now here is what I asked her and her response.

how many gram tube were you given? ( it is 2 mg of estriol and .5 mg of estradiol) Ask them to let you know the exact mg of estradiol in each application...and that is way too much estriol, which is More carcinogenic than estradiol.....and the progesterone,if I am figuring it right is too high if totally absorbedYou want NO estriol, as it is extremely potent, is the BAD metabolite of estradiol and the one that is responsible for the cancer effect..re the 16 Vs 2OH pathways of metabolism.....and the progesterone should be vaginal 50mg used for only 4 days to induce a period if you have NO PERIOD but you do..so it's unnecessary..... ....the estriol info is WRONG WRONG WRONG...it IS available in the US as ortho gynest cream for the vagina.....and it is NOT a weak estrogen..that info is ALL WRONG.....put in a search for dangers estriol...I think that will bring up some stuff from Australia from a menopause program....and again, ALL the articles are cited and you can look the abstracts up on PubMed....and yes, the compounding NON endocrinologists are pushing this stuff as a safe alternative..when it's not....safest is low dose estradiol not exceeding a blood level of 120 pg.ml.

Does anyone have more inf. on this stuff. I haven't even figured out my Hashi and no aldosterone issues and now this totally conflicting inf. Any response will be welcome, thank!!!!!!!

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This is what I intend to do. Sometimes you know, you get that feeling like

you get really frustrated and think " Why can't I be like I was and just not

have to think about it? " But it is worth it.

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>

> Have you seen the pile that I take? I'm popping something just about

> every hour from the time my eyes open in the morning until I crawl in bed

> at night.

>

> BUT.. I feel better, now, than I did for the ten years that I was on

> Synthroid being told that all I needed to do was take this little pill in

> the morning with my breakfast and all would be just like before I got

> sick!

>

> I'd rather help my body this way!

>

> Topper ()

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

> http://toppertwo.tripod.com

>

> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:27:59 -0500 " " writes:

> > Hey, don't we all just feel sometimes that we all have hormone and

> > vitamins

> > and supplements coming out of our ears? LOL!

> >

> >

>

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Hi Jan----Yep, it's a Go. Actually there is a law, but somehow they get around it, I guess by big bucks. And what do the initials ACAM stand for?

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Some of the better thyroid docs are members of ACAM. The conventional docs tend to think of them as a bunch of "yahoos," but they are quite an interesting mix from naturalistic practitioners to those with a considerable scientific background who have access to, read and understand a vast amount of scientific literature.

What they have in common is the ability not to swallow everything that the pharmaceutical companies want to shove down their throats. (One of my favorite docs says that when a new drug comes out, he lets other docs experiment with it on their patients for five years. Then, if it has not killed anybody, he may try it on his patients.)

What is interesting about so-called "alternate treatments" is that they are just older modalities that don't make much money for the pharmaceutical companies and so are not promoted.

I am appalled at the amount of control the pharmaceutical industry has over medical education, research and even Continuing Medical Brainwashing-I mean Education. It is obscene!

There oughtta be a law!

jan

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That is so funny because with your long lustrous black hair I thought

you Portugese or Spanish or something exotic and all the time your

just a fair dinkum Ozzie like myself. You have an exotic look Nic, and

a refined manner, you could almost be royal. You'd better start

frequenting those pubs down the Rocks you might find another Frederik.

haha. M.

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