Re. OT- The prison of ASD

October 12, 2004

Kathy - that was a very thought-provoking post. I know I am bitter and I can't

predict how long that will last. I unwittingly subjected my children to toxins

because I trusted our medical system. They were subjects in a grand experiment

to which I did not consent. Now, when the CDC, FDA and our PCPs apologize to me

and refund the tens of thousands of dollars I've spent to unravel this mess,

maybe I'll get over it.

Still, I love my kids and I try as hard as I can to show that esp. when my son

is melting down in public. I also try to let people know that what he's

experiencing is not a choice nor is it a result of bad parenting. I've been

known to say things like " this is why all children are not meant to be

vaccinated " when I get 'the look' from strangers. When melts down, no

matter where we are, I will ask him " Are you hungry, upset or having a

reaction " ? Because he's very verbal he can tell me what's going on and often,

what the trigger is. Other people seem to become sympathetic when they realize

it's a reaction and not a choice. I can tell them some kids get hives when they

encounter an allergen, my kid doesn't - he does this instead. If/when they ask

why, I tell them it's the mercury. Either they get educated or they get away

real quick.

I think the greater work has to be done (and fast) among the parents of NTs to

educate themselves and their kids as to how to relate with this new reality.

Imagine what our country will be like in another 10 years when this generation

of 1 in 166 autistic and 1 in 6 LDs are adults. They will be EVERYWHERE (the

prisoners will be on the loose!) and everyone's gonna have to deal with it.

October 12, 2004

Well said . I have been talking about the problems of vaccine

injuries, violence and crimes on another list. These people are

discussing teens convicted of violent crimes and charging them as

adults. Alot of these teens are dx'ed ADHD, LD, etc. I have been

trying to explain how many of these teen kids may look age

appropriate but actually not understanding the consequences,

seriousness and permanance of their crimes. Many are functioning

years behind their actual ages. As bad as it is today, in 10 years I

fear it will be a lot worse.

Michele

> Kathy - that was a very thought-provoking post. I know I am bitter

and I can't predict how long that will last. I unwittingly subjected

my children to toxins because I trusted our medical system. They were

subjects in a grand experiment to which I did not consent. Now, when

the CDC, FDA and our PCPs apologize to me and refund the tens of

thousands of dollars I've spent to unravel this mess, maybe I'll get

over it.

>

> Still, I love my kids and I try as hard as I can to show that esp.

when my son is melting down in public. I also try to let people know

that what he's experiencing is not a choice nor is it a result of bad

parenting. I've been known to say things like " this is why all

children are not meant to be vaccinated " when I get 'the look' from

strangers. When melts down, no matter where we are, I will

ask him " Are you hungry, upset or having a reaction " ? Because he's

very verbal he can tell me what's going on and often, what the

trigger is. Other people seem to become sympathetic when they realize

it's a reaction and not a choice. I can tell them some kids get hives

when they encounter an allergen, my kid doesn't - he does this

instead. If/when they ask why, I tell them it's the mercury. Either

they get educated or they get away real quick.

>

> I think the greater work has to be done (and fast) among the

parents of NTs to educate themselves and their kids as to how to

relate with this new reality. Imagine what our country will be like

in another 10 years when this generation of 1 in 166 autistic and 1

in 6 LDs are adults. They will be EVERYWHERE (the prisoners will be

on the loose!) and everyone's gonna have to deal with it.

>

October 12, 2004

A vast number of them will be living on the streets or in prison or some

other institutionalization scenario. This is what I fear our current

policies are going to reap.

I can think of a thousand things to write about what the future holds, and

none of them are so important to write as this: get out and vote. This

election is the most important one in our lives thus far.

Liz

>

> Reply-To: csb-autism-rx

> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:50:43 -0400

> To: <csb-autism-rx >

> Subject: Re. OT- The " prison " of ASD

>

> Kathy - that was a very thought-provoking post. I know I am bitter and I can't

> predict how long that will last. I unwittingly subjected my children to toxins

> because I trusted our medical system. They were subjects in a grand experiment

> to which I did not consent. Now, when the CDC, FDA and our PCPs apologize to

> me and refund the tens of thousands of dollars I've spent to unravel this

> mess, maybe I'll get over it.

>

> Still, I love my kids and I try as hard as I can to show that esp. when my son

> is melting down in public. I also try to let people know that what he's

> experiencing is not a choice nor is it a result of bad parenting. I've been

> known to say things like " this is why all children are not meant to be

> vaccinated " when I get 'the look' from strangers. When melts down, no

> matter where we are, I will ask him " Are you hungry, upset or having a

> reaction " ? Because he's very verbal he can tell me what's going on and often,

> what the trigger is. Other people seem to become sympathetic when they realize

> it's a reaction and not a choice. I can tell them some kids get hives when

> they encounter an allergen, my kid doesn't - he does this instead. If/when

> they ask why, I tell them it's the mercury. Either they get educated or they

> get away real quick.

>

> I think the greater work has to be done (and fast) among the parents of NTs to

> educate themselves and their kids as to how to relate with this new reality.

> Imagine what our country will be like in another 10 years when this generation

> of 1 in 166 autistic and 1 in 6 LDs are adults. They will be EVERYWHERE (the

> prisoners will be on the loose!) and everyone's gonna have to deal with it.

>

October 12, 2004

And it's even more difficult to understand the subtleties of these " almost

functioning " (high-functioning is such a misnomer!) almost-adults. My son

can tell you that he understands everything you've said, and go right ahead

and do what he's been asked not to. Only after it's happened will he

remember not to do it! He used to parrot back whatever anyone said if asked

to. He had no concept of what he was agreeing to much of the time.

It was infuriating at the age of 10. If he were an adult acting that way, a

jury would see him as a cold-blooded criminal in compete control of his

actions and choosing to do wrong. If he went untreated, there's no doubt in

my mind he'd end up in jail eventually.

Liz

>

> Reply-To: csb-autism-rx

> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:07:55 -0000

> To: csb-autism-rx

> Subject: Re: Re. OT- The " prison " of ASD

>

> Well said . I have been talking about the problems of vaccine

> injuries, violence and crimes on another list. These people are

> discussing teens convicted of violent crimes and charging them as

> adults. Alot of these teens are dx'ed ADHD, LD, etc. I have been

> trying to explain how many of these teen kids may look age

> appropriate but actually not understanding the consequences,

> seriousness and permanance of their crimes. Many are functioning

> years behind their actual ages. As bad as it is today, in 10 years I

> fear it will be a lot worse.

> Michele

October 12, 2004

,

That is exactly the point I have been trying to make. I understand

that parents of younger vaccine injured children and the most severly

injured often don't see the similarities with their children and the

high functioning older kids and therefore are too quick to judge

these kids as nasty criminals who deserve prison. I am in no way

negating the seriousness of the crimes but trying to explain that

these teen and adult criminals are victims of vaccines as well. Too

many of them are in many ways functionally at 5, 7, 9 yrs old.

Locally a 18yr old is charged with becoming drunk and flying into a

rage and killing a homeless man who supplied the alcohol. The mother

was quoted as saying this child suffered for years with severe ADHD,

learning problems, school problems, social problems and no, ritalin

never helped him nor did any other help she tried to find. She said

sadly she did believe in one of his rages he would have the capacity

to commit such an act. Someone remarked that they couldn't imagine

what kind of homes these criminal teens grew up in to make them the

way they are. Again blame the parents!

> And it's even more difficult to understand the subtleties of

these " almost

> functioning " (high-functioning is such a misnomer!) almost-adults.

My son

> can tell you that he understands everything you've said, and go

right ahead

> and do what he's been asked not to. Only after it's happened will he

> remember not to do it! He used to parrot back whatever anyone said

if asked

> to. He had no concept of what he was agreeing to much of the time.

>

> It was infuriating at the age of 10. If he were an adult acting

that way, a

> jury would see him as a cold-blooded criminal in compete control of

his

> actions and choosing to do wrong. If he went untreated, there's no

doubt in

> my mind he'd end up in jail eventually.

>

> Liz

>

> > From: " zookpr56 " <Mcro99@a...>

> > Reply-To: csb-autism-rx

> > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:07:55 -0000

> > To: csb-autism-rx

> > Subject: Re: Re. OT- The " prison " of ASD

> >

> > Well said . I have been talking about the problems of

vaccine

> > injuries, violence and crimes on another list. These people are

> > discussing teens convicted of violent crimes and charging them as

> > adults. Alot of these teens are dx'ed ADHD, LD, etc. I have been

> > trying to explain how many of these teen kids may look age

> > appropriate but actually not understanding the consequences,

> > seriousness and permanance of their crimes. Many are functioning

> > years behind their actual ages. As bad as it is today, in 10

years I

> > fear it will be a lot worse.

> > Michele

October 12, 2004

Yes. It's deeply sad.

I have wondered if I can stand to live in this country any longer. We don't

have anything like the relatively enlightened approach they have in other

developed countries, whether it be crime or education or health care...the

list goes on and on.

I'm sorry for those of you who are probably feeling a little uncomfortable

at my talking about politics. I do respect differences of opinion and don't

mean to start anything. Both major parties are corrupt and suffer from a

lack of imagination about how to fix things. We need a massive overhaul in

the way politics is done in this country, but that's another rant!

I should probably stop reading everything when I'm PMSing and go to a

meditation retreat for a week!

Liz

>

> Reply-To: csb-autism-rx

> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:35:47 -0000

> To: csb-autism-rx

> Subject: Re: Re. OT- The " prison " of ASD

>

> ,

> That is exactly the point I have been trying to make. I understand

> that parents of younger vaccine injured children and the most severly

> injured often don't see the similarities with their children and the

> high functioning older kids and therefore are too quick to judge

> these kids as nasty criminals who deserve prison. I am in no way

> negating the seriousness of the crimes but trying to explain that

> these teen and adult criminals are victims of vaccines as well. Too

> many of them are in many ways functionally at 5, 7, 9 yrs old.

> Locally a 18yr old is charged with becoming drunk and flying into a

> rage and killing a homeless man who supplied the alcohol. The mother

> was quoted as saying this child suffered for years with severe ADHD,

> learning problems, school problems, social problems and no, ritalin

> never helped him nor did any other help she tried to find. She said

> sadly she did believe in one of his rages he would have the capacity

> to commit such an act. Someone remarked that they couldn't imagine

> what kind of homes these criminal teens grew up in to make them the

> way they are. Again blame the parents!

>

>> And it's even more difficult to understand the subtleties of

> these " almost

>> functioning " (high-functioning is such a misnomer!) almost-adults.

> My son

>> can tell you that he understands everything you've said, and go

> right ahead

>> and do what he's been asked not to. Only after it's happened will he

>> remember not to do it! He used to parrot back whatever anyone said

> if asked

>> to. He had no concept of what he was agreeing to much of the time.

>>

>> It was infuriating at the age of 10. If he were an adult acting

> that way, a

>> jury would see him as a cold-blooded criminal in compete control of

> his

>> actions and choosing to do wrong. If he went untreated, there's no

> doubt in

>> my mind he'd end up in jail eventually.

>>

>> Liz

>>

>>> From: " zookpr56 " <Mcro99@a...>

>>> Reply-To: csb-autism-rx

>>> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:07:55 -0000

>>> To: csb-autism-rx

>>> Subject: Re: Re. OT- The " prison " of ASD

>>>

>>> Well said . I have been talking about the problems of

> vaccine

>>> injuries, violence and crimes on another list. These people are

>>> discussing teens convicted of violent crimes and charging them as

>>> adults. Alot of these teens are dx'ed ADHD, LD, etc. I have been

>>> trying to explain how many of these teen kids may look age

>>> appropriate but actually not understanding the consequences,

>>> seriousness and permanance of their crimes. Many are functioning

>>> years behind their actual ages. As bad as it is today, in 10

> years I

>>> fear it will be a lot worse.

>>> Michele

>

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>

October 12, 2004

Oh, one more thing I have to add, then I'll go for a walk...

Up until now, the major victims of environmental toxins have been the poor.

This means a disproportionate number of minorities. Now that the middle and

upper classes are willingly taking part in the toxic soup via injection, the

chickens have come home to roost.

We may think twice about the " lock 'em up " mentality when it's a whole lot

of middle class white kids going off to prison because they've been

poisoned.