RE: Vaginal irritation and vinegar

[Guest guest]

Dear Henriette,

Please read my first email:

Dear Henriette,

I am sorry if this came across as advertising how do

I inform people of what might work and what I have found useful by

experience for this condition? Is it better to say contact me off list for

details? Sorry if I have offended anyone.

Lorraine.

I am more than happy to deal with people off list if they want items, you seemed

to have turned this round into an excuse to attack to me. I would like to pass

on my experience of treating problems to members benefit in the future

mentioning what ever I have found useful for the particular condition asked

about. This is for the benefit of the person asking and the patient behind it. I

think in this case you have been too personal and used this as an excuse to get

at me.

Lorraine.

[Guest guest]

Dear Lorraine,

please re-read my reply to your email, and stop advertising on this list.

Thanks.

Henriette

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Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed

[Guest guest]

vinegar is acid and thrush and other fungi love alkaline conditions.

Where does this nonsense keep reappearing from??

received wisdom from my work many years ago in the women's health movement,

which I never questioned. It would seem a neat explanation, as thrush tends

to be more prevalent mid-cycle and immediately premenstrually, when

secretions are indeed alkaline (yes, i have tried litmus paper) and in

pregnancy (no, i didn't). it also responds well to dilute vinegar. why?

nne

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nne Last BA MNIMH

Consultant Medical Herbalist

Monmouth Herbal Clinic

Tel: 01600 719497

www.mariannelast.co.uk

[Guest guest]

Dear Henriette,

I have no intention of advertising on the list I am

simply sharing my knowledge adn experience,

Lorraine.

[Guest guest]

Hi nne

>>> vinegar is acid and thrush and other fungi love alkaline conditions.

>> Where does this nonsense keep reappearing from??

>

>received wisdom from my work many years ago in the women's health movement,

>which I never questioned. It would seem a neat explanation, as thrush tends

>to be more prevalent mid-cycle and immediately premenstrually, when

>secretions are indeed alkaline (yes, i have tried litmus paper) and in

>pregnancy (no, i didn't). it also responds well to dilute vinegar. why?

>nne

Not meaning to get at you, but isn't it more likely that the increased

prevalence of thrush at certain times of the cycle is due to oestrogen

levels in the vaginal secretions? Or even the consistency of the secretions

themselves?

Anyway I think we as a profession are not nearly critical enough of a lot of

the " received wisdom " that works itself into the natural health subconscious

e.g.. we have a 2 inch layer of compacted faeces lining the colon wall!!

If that was true just think through the consequences (apart from your colon

bursting through the abdominal wall). Yet you still see it repeated in

books. And funny how colonoscopies never see this stuff!

e.g.. don't use Humulus in depression. Why, apart from Hein said so?

Lots of other examples I'm sure people could think of.

Cheers

Graham White B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

Bishop's Stortford

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>

> Reply-To: ukherbal-list

> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:48:02 +0100

> To: <ukherbal-list >

> Subject: Re: Vaginal irritation and vinegar

>

> Hi nne

>

>>>> vinegar is acid and thrush and other fungi love alkaline conditions.

>

>>> Where does this nonsense keep reappearing from??

>>

>> received wisdom from my work many years ago in the women's health movement,

>> which I never questioned. It would seem a neat explanation, as thrush tends

>> to be more prevalent mid-cycle and immediately premenstrually, when

>> secretions are indeed alkaline (yes, i have tried litmus paper) and in

>> pregnancy (no, i didn't). it also responds well to dilute vinegar. why?

>> nne

And boric acid.

> Not meaning to get at you, but isn't it more likely that the increased

> prevalence of thrush at certain times of the cycle is due to oestrogen

> levels in the vaginal secretions? Or even the consistency of the secretions

> themselves?

>

> Anyway I think we as a profession are not nearly critical enough of a lot of

> the " received wisdom " that works itself into the natural health subconscious

Actually, most received wisdom is based in empirical clinical experience,

which I personally rate a lot higher than say, clinical trials or

extrapolations from experimental data.

Old school naturopathy had a lot going for it IMHO.

> e.g.. we have a 2 inch layer of compacted faeces lining the colon wall!!

> If that was true just think through the consequences (apart from your colon

> bursting through the abdominal wall). Yet you still see it repeated in

> books. And funny how colonoscopies never see this stuff!

Hey - did you ever have a colonoscopy? The purgation that precedes the

procedure is akin to shotblasting the mucosa. That¹s why colonoscopists do

not see old poop (or new poop) I have never read about 2 inches of

compacted feces, but enemas are demonstrated to have powerful detox effects

etc.

> e.g.. don't use Humulus in depression. Why, apart from Hein said so?

Hein Zeylstra practiced herbal medicine for many many years, and in his own

way was an noted authority. Many herbal practitioners have different views

of herbs. When you are old and wise ( or senile and stupid you too can

make pronouncements that others may or may not choose to listen to.

> Lots of other examples I'm sure people could think of.

I would be less sure myself..

Contrarily

jonathan

>

[Guest guest]

Re " old poop in the colon " .............in my previous life, I had the

opportunity to do many urgent surgeries on ruptured or stabbed colons,

emergencies colectomies for whatever reason without any

preparation............full of faeces, yes, but never, ever did I seen " old

faeces " impacted on the walls, only the type of stool you expect to see in

different degrees of fluidity.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.

" The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind "

Re: Vaginal irritation and vinegar

>

> Hi nne

>

>>>> vinegar is acid and thrush and other fungi love alkaline conditions.

>

>>> Where does this nonsense keep reappearing from??

>>

>> received wisdom from my work many years ago in the women's health movement,

>> which I never questioned. It would seem a neat explanation, as thrush tends

>> to be more prevalent mid-cycle and immediately premenstrually, when

>> secretions are indeed alkaline (yes, i have tried litmus paper) and in

>> pregnancy (no, i didn't). it also responds well to dilute vinegar. why?

>> nne

And boric acid.

> Not meaning to get at you, but isn't it more likely that the increased

> prevalence of thrush at certain times of the cycle is due to oestrogen

> levels in the vaginal secretions? Or even the consistency of the secretions

> themselves?

>

> Anyway I think we as a profession are not nearly critical enough of a lot of

> the " received wisdom " that works itself into the natural health subconscious

Actually, most received wisdom is based in empirical clinical experience,

which I personally rate a lot higher than say, clinical trials or

extrapolations from experimental data.

Old school naturopathy had a lot going for it IMHO.

> e.g.. we have a 2 inch layer of compacted faeces lining the colon wall!!

> If that was true just think through the consequences (apart from your colon

> bursting through the abdominal wall). Yet you still see it repeated in

> books. And funny how colonoscopies never see this stuff!

Hey - did you ever have a colonoscopy? The purgation that precedes the

procedure is akin to shotblasting the mucosa. That¹s why colonoscopists do

not see old poop (or new poop) I have never read about 2 inches of

compacted feces, but enemas are demonstrated to have powerful detox effects

etc.

> e.g.. don't use Humulus in depression. Why, apart from Hein said so?

Hein Zeylstra practiced herbal medicine for many many years, and in his own

way was an noted authority. Many herbal practitioners have different views

of herbs. When you are old and wise ( or senile and stupid you too can

make pronouncements that others may or may not choose to listen to.

> Lots of other examples I'm sure people could think of.

I would be less sure myself..

Contrarily

jonathan

>

List Owner

Graham White, MNIMH

[Guest guest]

thanks, Graham. wasn't feeling got at but would be interested in any

explanation. incidentally, I've seen 2 people using humulus, 1 prescribed by

me, 1 otc, who quickly went from depression to psychosis and were both

hospitalised. it may have been coincidental but i no longer prescribe it

where there's any hintof depression, so not often at all.

nne

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nne Last BA MNIMH

Consultant Medical Herbalist

Monmouth Herbal Clinic

Tel: 01600 719497

www.mariannelast.co.uk

[Guest guest]

Hello Grahm,

I've been enjoying being a part of the e-group, but I find it's a

struggle for me to keep up. Could you please take me out of the list for

a while till I manage to read all the unread messages that I have been

saving?

I'll probably want to come back at some point and I'll be in touch then.

Thanks, Dverah Markin.