Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Hi, Candy. I am glad you didn't take any offense. The doctor is right in that a liver can regenerate. It can. The myth of prometheus is ancient. http://physiologyonline.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/14/4/149 but even though there is a new school of thinking that is leaning toward cirrhosis being able to reverse itselt in it's early stages, after the onset of complications, especially decompensation, the evedence suggests that it cannot reverse. One reason we don't know more about weather it can or not, is that people with decompensated cirrhosis either get transplanted or they die. My take on the doctor is that he is painting the brightest picture one can paint, and that to me in the light of your brother's condition sounds a lot like quacking noises. My quack-o-meter starts blinking. I think a doctor should give the facts, and if he wants to make educated gueses about the patient's prognosis, that's fine, but any doctor could also say " breast cancer can go into remission " . Sure. I'm sure it can. But those thousands of ladies wearing pink and walking for breast cancer awareness makes me think that it would be no rosy picture if your biopsy comes back positive. Re: Visited with my brother yesterday..... Bobby, I understand what you're saying, about Ardis. I've been through a similar situation, where someone or something comes into your life as a Teacher. I carry a tremendous amount of guilt because of my Teacher. He suffered because of my ignorance, but it won't happen twice. I now know what I should know. I'm working on the guilt. I just don't need any more guilt or regrets in my life. So part of my concern for my brother is selfish. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. I haven't been offended here, I'm smart enough to know that there are people here who have experience I can learn from. I'm going to visit him and make peace with the fact that my input isn't wanted. I'm going to do my best not to blame his wife. The last straw for me was when the Internist told them that livers regenerate. He's misleading them. But it's none of my concern if that's the doctor he choses to see. I'm so happy I found you and the others here. Candy > > Thanks for reading it, Candy. I always tell people that when they read it, it takes away some of my pain. So many people have posted here that they really truly read it, that I feel much more healed today. I can enjoy only the good memories, and leave all the sorrow out. I hope I didn't offend you. I am not advocating total hands off, you must think this through, and decide what will be of best benefit to your brother. Sharon and I both agree that not many people would have a couple of folks around to catch them when they fall, while they go about drinking and deteriorating, and being repeatedly hospitalized. The mere fact that we are having this dialog lends credence to my belief that I was not just offering a home, and helping hand to a friend, but that she was God's messenger, sent here to help a lot of people learn a better way to live. Countless people in my life have stopped or moderated their drinking of alcohol. Many are changing the way they > view health, and their health care. So, I am glad that I found a mix in which I was able to accomplish several things: she was loved. We both truly loved this woman, and we were both crushed when she died. 2 she was able to enjoy her social seceurity for the short time she was here after our gov saw fit to release it. 3 She was safe , warm and dry. She didnt die under a bridge somewhere, or in the biting cold that came shortly after she died. I hope that because of Ardis' message to the world, you can find a way to help your brother get help, and that maybe they will soften their hearts enough to let you help. I know that Ardis was totally resistant until really bad encephalopathy had set in. Maybe your brother will reach some kind of point in a similar fashion. At the very least, you can try to convey love to him, now while you can. and then you will not suffer so much when he dies. His wife is another story. There is the makings here for some really > powerful resentments. I really really wish you well in this, and I hope and pray for you and your brother, and your family. 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I started out typing this whole long answer but when I re-read it, I erased it because it didn't say anything except that I am mad and pissed off at your sister in-law. I don't even know her! I wish I could come over and talk to your brother for only a short minute. His time is short. Candy, let me be point blank. Your brother is critically ill! I've seen the same signs with my wife. Being a sleep all the time is not a good sign! There is a chance for him to slip into a coma from the encephalopathy. This is the most common cause of death in cirrhosis patients. So withouth the lactulose, he doesn't even have a fighting chance. Hell ask him to take the two table spoons of honey three times a day if he doesn't want lactulose. It should do the same thing. MaC --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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