Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 In a message dated 01/18/2001 6:55:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, achil@... writes: << Do you believe that it doesn't go through saponification if added at trace? If the reaction with the lye continues through the jell stage, wouldn't all the oils go through saponification regardless of when they are added? I know that when we super-fat that we hope the oils we add at trace are the ones that don't saponify, but I am wondering if that is not just an old wives tale? Anyone out there have the correct answer? >> Pat I am just a soaper, but for me, I find a definate difference in the soaps that have the castor added at trace or with the rest of the oils. I *think* (and that is not usually a good thing) that the lye molecules have pretty much picked a dance partner by the time you get to trace. Maybe some of what is added at trace does saponify but then again maybe none of it does. I just know that for me, with the same recipe there is a difference in the lathering of the soap. Maybe someone can tell me if it is all just my imagination or a blonde moment! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Hi . > Castor can only do this if it goes thru saponification..you really need to > add it with your other oils in the beginning for it to help with bubbles. Do you believe that it doesn't go through saponification if added at trace? If the reaction with the lye continues through the jell stage, wouldn't all the oils go through saponification regardless of when they are added? I know that when we super-fat that we hope the oils we add at trace are the ones that don't saponify, but I am wondering if that is not just an old wives tale? Anyone out there have the correct answer? Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. achil@... http://houseofscents.safeshopper.com/ www.yourhealthandbody.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 > I am just a soaper, but for me, I find a definate difference in the soaps > that have the castor added at trace or with the rest of the oils. I *think* > (and that is not usually a good thing) that the lye molecules have pretty > much picked a dance partner by the time you get to trace. , I have been adding a little castor with my fragrance for so long I'm not sure if it makes a difference to the lather or not. I know it doesn't make any difference to how long the scent lasts, if anything, it may even mask it a little. I should try adding it to my base oils to see if there is a difference. > Maybe someone can tell me if it is all just my imagination or a blonde > moment! lol This is why I wrote about it originally. I am really curious to know the actual way that the chemistry works. If in fact it does help to add some oils at trace, or if we accomplish the same thing adding them all at the same time with a lye discount. Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. achil@... http://houseofscents.safeshopper.com/ www.yourhealthandbody.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Absolutely. I used to do the castor-at-trace-with-fragrance-oils thing and tho I didnt' see the correlation with DOS, I did see a marked, ok huge increase of wunnerful lather when I started to add castor in with the rest of the oils. It's one of my basic ingredients now. -Ilene > << The castor is to add creamy lather >> > Castor can only do this if it goes thru saponification..you really need to > add it with your other oils in the beginning for it to help with bubbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Bobbi, I think that lye is no respector of what it chooses to bond with whether oil is added at trace or earlier. We cannot control which oils will saponify. I think from what I've read in the posts in this thread we've agreed on that. So, perhaps one would be better off choosing an oil, or butter, or wax that contains unsaponifiables, like shea which is about 11% unsaponifiable if I remember correctly. As Maurice mentioned, there is material written on the benefits of unsaponifiables. Any opinions? Sue ps. I am really enjoying this thread and have learned from it. Thank you to whoever asked the original question. > a. Do you think that it matters if the Castor is added at light >trace with the fragrance if one includes the Castor in order to >incorporate the qualities of the castor through out the resulting >bars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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