Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Shan, Oops looks like I was wrong. I was under the impression that serrapeptase could be taken with food because the bottle I have doesn't specify that the stomach needs to be empty in order for it to work. But after doing a quick search I see several places where its mentioned that they also need to be taken on an empty stomach. No wonder my reactions to it were so mild compared to my other enzymes supplements. Thane To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:35:50 PMSubject: Re: Brain Inflammation-systemic enzymes ThaneI was wondering if you could please tell me why you say that Serrapeptase does not need to be taken on an empty stomach like other systemic enzymes? I have been taking serrapeptase for over a year and I have been under the impression that serrapeptase is just like other systemic enzymes in that if taken with food they act as ONLY digestive enzymes however if taken at least one hour before and after food that they then function as antiflammatories, clean the blood, eat fibroids , etc.Please be careful when taking natto Thane. I know seveal people whom found that even on only 1 capsule a day they started bleeding. It is effective but is also the only systemic enzymes that can be dangerous.blessingsShan> >  > >Systemic enzymes and a little alka seltzer gold help mine. But i still suffer from a lot of it, it can be stubborn.> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> From: wildman350smom <carolbenter (DOT) net>> >To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com> >Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 12:24:40 PM> >Subject: Brain Inflammation> >> >> > > >hi guys... just got back from my weekly doctor appt> >she says i have brain inflammation today > >what were you guys talking about for that?> >she did give me something ... but just curious what> >you guys thought...> >carol> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 ShanSuper informative.thanksstacy What Are Systemic Enzymes and What Do They Do? By: Dr. Wong ND, PhD. Sections - Natural Anti-Inflammatory. Anti Fibrosis. Blood Cleansing. Immune System Modulating.Virus Fighting. There are currently over 200 peer reviewed research articles dealing with the absorption, utilization and therapeutic action of orally administered systemic enzymes. http://www.totalityofbeing.com/FramelessPages/Articles/WhatAreSystemicEnzymes.htm http://www.systemicenzymetherapy.com/TherapeuticApplications/SystemicEnzymes.htm Everything You Learned About Enzymes Was Wrong First let talk about what an enzyme is – an enzyme is a large protein molecule that cleaves, cuts or eats specific pre-designated things (think of Pac Man with shark-like teeth). Depending on the programming of the " teeth " , the enzymes fit over certain substances in a lock and key fashion, cutting through one specific type of thing, a particular type protein let's say, yet leaving undisturbed protein of a similar but slightly different type. Enzymes are essential as " bio catalysts " , in other words they speed the action of chemical reactions. Without enzymes involved in every cellular event in our bodies, the chemical reactions within us would be so slow as to make life as we know it impossible. There are some 3000+ enzymes in the human body, most of them of the proteolytic type. These 3000+ enzymes create between 7000 to 25000 different enzyme reactions. The 3000 enzymes themselves are created as a result of either our own enzyme production (which is finite in nature), or created from ingesting enzymes from our live or uncooked food. The first thing the proteolytic enzymes do is to create what is known as the enzyme cascade. Most of the enzymes active in the reactions that occur body- wide are proteolytic in nature; that is, they are concerned with cleaving a type of specific protein or another (we have literally hundreds of different types and arrangements of proteins in our bodies). So the vast majority of the 7000 to 25,000 enzymatic reactions that need to happen within us are proteolytic in nature. Aside from the 25,000 possible reactions of protein eating enzymes science now knows, they have 5 primary functions: Natural Anti-Inflammatory; Anti Fibrosis; Blood Cleansing; Immune System Modulating; Virus Fighting.; Fat Loss / Energy Releasing By Dissolving Body Fat. References here. http://www.enerex.ca/articles/everything_you_learned_about_enzymes_was_wrong.htm The Miracle of Oral Enzymes! By Iichiroh Ohhira " Enzymes are a completely natural substance that many health experts call the medicine of the future. If you are suffering chronic pain from arthritis, cancer, sports injuries or heart disease--if you suffer circulatory problems, tinnitus, fibrocystic breast disease, prostatitis, sinusitis, shingles, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, thrombophlebitis or other inflammatory-related conditions, systemic oral enzymes will prove to be the elixer your body craves now. " ( Loes, M.D., M.D.(H.) and Steinman, M.A.) http://www.qualityenzymes.com/html%20pages/researchmiracle.htm Systemic Enzyme Therapy Supplement to The Art of Getting Well This explains many things and answers many questions.I have this on Word doc - if anybody wishes it, email me.The correct medical name for the therapeutic use of natural enzymes is " Systemic Enzyme Therapy. " This means that enzymes flow throughout our body, producing the desired healing effects. Enzymes are necessary for the adequate functioning of our whole metabolism. In our body, every part of it is related to all the rest; that is, that even one tiny disturbance, biochemically speaking, can result in a complete imbalance. Diseases are the consequence of this disorder. The deficiency of any of these co-enzymes will result in a specific medical condition. For example, vitamin B1 deficiency will elicit " beri-beri. " The vitamin B12 deficiency causes a special anemia called " pernicious anemia. " The same thing happens with deficiency of essential minerals and trace elements. Basically, in these cases, we are speaking of an illness elicited by a disturbance in the enzymatic balance. It is therefore normal to use enzymes for therapeutic purposes. Substitution in intestinal enzyme deficiency conditions is a classical treatment modality that no one would dispute. External use of enzymes for impaired wound healing (e.g. in the presence of varicose ulcers) has been part of the armamentarium of medical practitioners for centuries. Parental lytic therapy with streptolinase or urokinase for cardiac infarct or for vascular occlusions is today standard throughout the world. Enzymes are very highly substrate specific. Due to their different places of action, it is therefore reasonable to use mixtures of enzymes in the treatment of diseases. One important enzyme is called the hydrolases, which cleave complex compounds (esters, peptides, and glycosides).The defense mechanisms of the organism are fortified by the enzymes. They are important for all the inflammatory processes, they take care to keep a good blood circulation, they help in wound healing of any kind. http://www.biomediclabs.com/systemic_enzyme_therapy http://www.garynull.com/documents/Arthritis/Systemic_Enzyme_Therapy.htm http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Systemic%20Enzyme%20Therapy/index.htm There is additional info included in this pdf file that there is not in the article above. http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Systemic%20Enzyme%20Therapy.pdf http://www.aliveandwellsf.org/articles/solorzano_Systemic_Enzyme_Therapy_1994.pdf Systemic vs. Digestive Enzymes: What's the Difference? Systemic enzymes are usually only the proteolytic (protein lysing) enzymes; they are either entericly coated or cultured to be acid and heat resistant. These enzymes are much more expensive to produce than those used for digestion even when they have the same names. Systemic enzymes are engineered to survive stomach acid and get into the small intestine where they are to be absorbed into the blood stream. Digestive enzymes, on the other hand, have a broad range of enzymes for protein digestion, as well as for the digestion of fiber, (cellulase) carbohydrates (amylase) and fats (lipase). The products actions are limited to the GI tract and these enzymes are not generally of high quality, enteric coating or protection from the acidic stomach juices. They do not survive well nor are they present in sufficient quantity after being used for digestion to be absorbed into the blood stream. http://www.systemicenzymetherapy.com/TherapeuticApplications/SystemicVsDigestive.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 You are right, serrapeptase is suppose to be taken on an empty stomach. I have been taking it since September. I order mine from nutramedix.com where do you get yours? JadeTo: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:47:58 PMSubject: Re: Re: Brain Inflammation-systemic enzymes Shan, Oops looks like I was wrong. I was under the impression that serrapeptase could be taken with food because the bottle I have doesn't specify that the stomach needs to be empty in order for it to work. But after doing a quick search I see several places where its mentioned that they also need to be taken on an empty stomach. No wonder my reactions to it were so mild compared to my other enzymes supplements. Thane From: Shan <surpriseshan2@ aol.com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:35:50 PMSubject: Re: Brain Inflammation- systemic enzymes ThaneI was wondering if you could please tell me why you say that Serrapeptase does not need to be taken on an empty stomach like other systemic enzymes? I have been taking serrapeptase for over a year and I have been under the impression that serrapeptase is just like other systemic enzymes in that if taken with food they act as ONLY digestive enzymes however if taken at least one hour before and after food that they then function as antiflammatories, clean the blood, eat fibroids , etc.Please be careful when taking natto Thane. I know seveal people whom found that even on only 1 capsule a day they started bleeding. It is effective but is also the only systemic enzymes that can be dangerous.blessingsShan> >  > >Systemic enzymes and a little alka seltzer gold help mine. But i still suffer from a lot of it, it can be stubborn.> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> From: wildman350smom <carolbenter (DOT) net>> >To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com> >Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 12:24:40 PM> >Subject: Brain Inflammation> >> >> > > >hi guys... just got back from my weekly doctor appt> >she says i have brain inflammation today > >what were you guys talking about for that?> >she did give me something ... but just curious what> >you guys thought...> >carol> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 ok! thanks shellly At our house we dose, NattoK, Serrplus, candidaise or candex, and virastop at the same time, two hours away from everything. If I wake up prior to the kids I dose them while they are asleep. _! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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