Re: food processing

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I'm not sugar addicted.... I can easily drink my coffees with an artificial sweetener (here the best is nutrasweet), but... I noticed that when I eat some prepared foods containing, for example, onions, I feel the urge to eat something really sweet, like some desert or a tablespoon of jam, or so.

Once I when to a famous Clinic in BsAs, I was suggested about trying these:

1) brush my tooth inmediately when I end eating my lunch or dinner..... my stomach and my mind (the rebel one) will understand that when tooth are brushed, meal is OVER.

2) drink a cup of tea with quite artificial sweetener... more than usual.

It works for me.... even if these sounds silly.

Saludos!!

Re: Re: food processing

Bill...

I was given the book, Sugar Blues to read. What an ear opener that was. Early settlers (European/Americans) didn't eat sugar originally. It was only after their discovery of sugar cane. It was stored in barrels at the local trading post. They used to give free samples with each purchase/trade. The author likened it to how drug pushers get people hooked on drugs...by giving free samples until the person is hooked. Then they start charging you. The author considered sugar a drug- saying it gives you a high but when it wears off, it gives you a low. And just try to get off it. You do suffer withdrawals. Just a piece of trivia I thought I would share.

Maggie

I think we need to understand why surgar is used by the food makers. Obviously to make it taste sweet is one reason, some people like the sweet taste.

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Processed sugar is a desire as well...I find that putting a banana in my oatmeal or some peach slices is more then sufficient sweetener, and has the benefit of being good for me!

Great way to do it Jane and both your mind and body will thank you.

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Dear Bernd, I am a Health nut from Hamilton Ontario Canada but my friends

just call me a nut. I don't know if you are aware that the average North

American consumes about 150 lbs of sugar a year and about 50 + lbs of salt.

It's no wonder we have so much Diabetes and heart conditions in our country.

I unfortunately have a sweet tooth and I also had the opportunity to do a

bone marrow transplant about 13 yrs ago. The young lady who I gave the bone

marrow to has survived and is relatively healthy but the problem with her is

she used to work in a candy factory not far from where we live. Every time

we met I was blessed with anywhere from 2- 20 lbs of good stuff that pleased

my palate but not my waist line. I don't have a blood sugar problem yet but

I have decided to change my diet to prevent any possible occurences of

diabetes or heart conditions or cancer. I lost my mother from colon cancer

a little more than a year ago and I don't want to go through what she did

even though she passed away at home with most of her loved ones around her.

I appologize if I have bored you but I wanted to commend you with your

decision to cut back on sugar. tC Carl French Hamilton, Ontario.

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>Reply-To: thefatmanwalking_group

>To: thefatmanwalking_group

>Subject: Re: Re: food processing

>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:45:04 +0200 (CEST)

>

>,

> I totally agree with you. White sugar is definitely not good for you. I

>only use sugar sparingly, just put some in my coffee. Otherwise if you are

>concerned about your health, white sugar and also white flour are not

>really good for you. Of course small amounts will not hurt you but most

>people eat way too much of it.

>

> Bernd

>

>dougpapa@... schrieb:

> In a message dated 4/11/2006 11:43:36 AM Central Standard Time,

>BethLackey@... writes:

> Now remember, I'm not a doctor, expert or anything...It's just my

>opinion and you know, it's absolutely free....but I will always believe

>sugar was put on earth for our good...we've just misused it. Beth

>

>

> Beth

> You are right about sugar needed but not the processed sugars. We can

>get every bit of the sugar we need from fruits, vegetables and grain.

>Processed sugar does one of to things to everyone that eats it " Everyone " .

>We either spike our blood sugar or our insulin. Both do harm. Natural

>sugars causes less dramitic spikes.

> Have a wonderful day.

>

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VERY well explained...Thanks - william regan wrote: Hi Beth, I think we need to understand why surgar is used by the food makers. Obviously to make it taste sweet is one reason, some people like the sweet taste. A second reason is to provide a product to boost energy when necessary, such as people that need a blast of quickly digested refined sugar entering the blood steam fast such as atheletes in high performance sports. Most of them have highly condiditioned bodies so that they do not need sugar very often, but on those low days then it is there for their use. Ordinary people with poorly conditioned bodies use it for a pick me up on special occaisions. And sugar can be used to stay warm in the cold winter months without the buildup of it in the body. The third reason I can think of

is for the food makers to use sugar is to extend the shelf life of the product since sugar makes an excellent preservative allowing the fruits and grains, and seeds to stay fresher longer(the same can be said for salt). Our personal task is to use the product wisely. For example, eating a tin of canned fruit in light surgar syrup can be eaten safel without any other product that does not have surgar. But poorly eaten canned fruit with icecream is unwise due to the double whammy. Another example is boiled oatmeal with milk or cream, since there is sugar in milk then we must consider wether we want a double whammy if sugar is added to the oatmeal. Another example is oatmeal with fruit and nuts with or with out the milk. Personally I have given up on oatmeal porridge in the morning because i was raised on it. Those days we loaded up on brown sugar or white sugar and milk. yuk is what I think now. The same can be said for salt. If you are cooking in winter north of the 25th then the use of frozen vegetables becomes economical. Now say we want to use tomatoes and beans with the frozen veggies. Tins of Tomatoes and beans in the winter are a practical reality, but both have salt. So using these tins or salted tomatoes and beans with the frozen vegetable and meat indicates we do not need to salt the vegetables. Salt is already in the meal. Or take something as simple as a can of soup, which already has salt. It does not make sense adding salt to the soup or to a tomatoe sauce from the tin which already had salt used as a preservative. Another example is when using butter made with salt, wedo not need to put salt on the sandwich since butter had the salt. So basically those three points, make food taste sweet, fast surgar / energy boost, and a preservative make sense when it comes to sugar. The problem is a double up,

or double whammy. Sorry Beth, there is no such thing as stand alone sugar. All sugar comes from something it is inside. Sugar is always taken out of things, Examples are, bee hives intended for bees. Taken out of milk intended for calves and goats. Taken out of sugar cane instead of staying in the molasses. Taken out of the corn instead of left for the animals and humans to eat. Taken out of fruit to use in baking instead of staying in the fruit for the birds, animals and humans to eat. The list goes on. If we humans did not need a steady supply of surgar we would not be assimilating surgar into our blood stream to supply or muscles and organs and other body parts. But what we need is sugar in it's natural form slowly passing through our stomach and intestines and bowels to provide a continual supply of sugar with the minerals and vitamins delivered along with the surgar in it's natural form. Best Regards from BillBeth Lackey

wrote: - I agree with you on everything except sugar. I believe in moderation sugar is not a bad thing...in fact, it's not even fatening if used by teaspoons. I think sugar gets a bad rap because it is OVER used. It's just a hard thing to use in moderation, and I think that's why many diets do away with it altogether. Now remember, I'm not a doctor, expert or anything...It's just my opinion and you know, it's absolutely free....but I will always believe sugar was put on earth for our good...we've just misused it. Bethwilliam regan wrote: Hi

, I hope we are not getting into another issue like the eggs. I will try to answer your question from common knowledge. In the snack department the things they roast and salt in my area are sunflower seeds, popcorn seeds, cashews, redskins, almonds, regular peanuts, maybe more. These can be bought unsalted and unroasted. Walnuts, raisins, redskins, peanuts, almonds, and popcorn are sometimes candy coated. Refined sugars as you know go immediately into the blood stream causing imbalances, and causes high blood sugar when there is no exercise completed or contemplated. Someone wanting to lose weight might be doing good in terms of meal planning, but every thing goes to hell over salty and surgar coated snacks that have no vitamins and minerals left after the food processing. I think you would agree sugar and salt is taboo in any healty

diet plan. Any processed food is suspect in my opinion, including dried fruits. I think if you go into any bulk food store you will find cold pressed nut oils, seed oils, vegetable oils, and olive oils, suggesting the heat process changes the fat from one original safe oil to a harmful oil that causes problems in the body Like I said before I wish I was a nutritionist and a trainer, and I would know more about these things. I do not do any large snacking now, other than oatmeal raisin cookies and a donut or oatmeal bar with my coffee. I make blanket statements from from what I observe being sold in the bulk food stores, healthy section only. The food processing companies turn food grade oats(horse and animal feed) into ganola bars loaded with refined surgars, suspect oils and fruit. I do not begrudge anyone making money, but make it healthy without refined sugars and over cooking. These

food companies turn pennies into billion dollar operations and peddle their products to the general public as necessity for a healthy lifestyle. I get sucked into the advertising game when the granola bars are put on sale. best regards - Bill P.S. I won't go hunting for studies on this topic since it is generally accepted public knowledge that oils are good and harmful depending on how they become an oil, from which source, which plant and wether they are cooked or heated. comedycook@... wrote: In a message dated 4/8/2006 10:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Beware of cooking and Roasting the nuts and seeds, this can alter the natual oils in them to change to harmful fats and destroy natural vitamins and minerals.Thanks for the information. I love to eat nuts because they raise blood sugar slowly and are very good for you. Meaning no disrespect, do you have any good science to back up your above statement? I would be interested in switching to raw if I had a good source of information to corroborate that. Thanks, Comedycook Enrich your life at Yahoo! Canada Finance Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

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sometimes i use splenda in my chocolate chip cookies instead of the

white sugar. i cant taste it too much if it's mixed in the cookies.

i tried one of those new " no trans fat " margarines and it worked

pretty good too but i had to keep the cookie dough refridgerated as I

worked or it melted flat on the sheet. I was really bummed though

because it was 'butter' flavored and i had 'butter flavored' chocolate

chip cookies. I'll try a different brand next time.

so this is what I did with my cookies

i substituted the margarine with the new stuff

i substituted the white sugar with splenda

i substituted half the regular flour with whole wheat

then i added nuts, raisins and cranberries. they werent too bad.

and if any of you are lactors intolerant and love chocolate.

ask around for Kosher chocolate chips that are non-dairy " parve " .

They sell them at some Albertsons around here, but I dont remember

where else my friend said they were sold at.

also. Molasses is the remants left after you make processed sugar.

sugar in the raw is sugar where they've havent processed out all of

the molasses

brown sugar is usually white sugar with the molasses added back in but

some brands still use less processed sugar containing the natural

molasses.

laurie

> >

> > >> In a message dated 4/11/2006 8:07:09 PM Central Standard Time,

> >> BethLackey@... writes:

> >>

> >> >>> And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had

never

> >>> heard of chocolate!!!

> >>

> >> Beth chocolate is really good for us. I use the cocoa with no

added sugar.

> >> I make a shake with low carb milk, cocoa powder and add one

banana. It's

> >> very tasty. Sometime I heat up a cup and have hot chocolate.

> >> Hugs

> >>

> >>

> >

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the concern with jams & jellies is that the sugar is also a

preservative for the process. so it may not last as long if you use a

substitute

splenda does have a recipe board on their website and you might find

someone else who has given it a try.

splenda.com

laurie

>

> In a message dated 4/11/2006 8:07:09 PM Central Standard Time,

BethLackey@... writes:

>

> And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had never

heard of chocolate!!!

>

> Beth chocolate is really good for us. I use the cocoa with no added

sugar. I make a shake with low carb milk, cocoa powder and add one

banana. It's very tasty. Sometime I heat up a cup and have hot chocolate.

> Hugs

>

>

>

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> Keep walking Steve!!!

>

>

>

>

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Hi Laurie, Thanks Laurie, I understand it now. Sugar cane plant is pressed Then we have sugar cane juice Then the refining starts with the sugar cane juice this = sugar and molasses when separated. I was trying to get the chicken before the egg. ( sugar from molasses ) Missed the chicken producing the egg like sugar cane juice producing the molasses and sugar Like real maple syrup from the maple tree. Tree juice with the water boiled out and boiled down to maple syrup. Thanks Laurie from Bill spamthekat wrote: sometimes i use splenda in my chocolate chip cookies instead of thewhite sugar. i cant taste it too much if it's mixed in the cookies.i tried one of those new "no trans fat" margarines and it workedpretty good too but i had to keep the cookie dough refridgerated as Iworked or it melted flat on the sheet. I was really bummed thoughbecause it was 'butter' flavored and i had 'butter flavored' chocolatechip cookies. I'll try a different brand next time. so this is what I did with my cookiesi substituted the margarine with the new stuffi substituted the white sugar with splendai substituted half the regular flour with whole wheatthen i added nuts, raisins and cranberries. they werent too bad.and if any of you are lactors intolerant and love chocolate.ask around for Kosher chocolate chips that are non-dairy "parve". They sell them

at some Albertsons around here, but I dont rememberwhere else my friend said they were sold at. also. Molasses is the remants left after you make processed sugar. sugar in the raw is sugar where they've havent processed out all ofthe molassesbrown sugar is usually white sugar with the molasses added back in butsome brands still use less processed sugar containing the naturalmolasses. laurie> > > > >> In a message dated 4/11/2006 8:07:09 PM Central Standard Time, > >> BethLackey@...

writes:> >> > >> >>> And I won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I hadnever > >>> heard of chocolate!!!> >> > >> Beth chocolate is really good for us. I use the cocoa with noadded sugar. > >> I make a shake with low carb milk, cocoa powder and add onebanana. It's > >> very tasty. Sometime I heat up a cup and have hot chocolate.> >> Hugs> >> > >> > > > > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries forjust 2¢/min > > with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > > > http://www.thefatmanwalking.com/> > Keep walking Steve!!!> > > > > > > >

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A lot of people don't realize that if a product is fat-free, it's

loaded up with additional sugar. If it's sugar-free, it usually has

added fat. I've heard, but not checked myself, that fat-free oreos

are something like 5 calories different than the normal ones.

Reading the nutritional info and ingredient list on packages is important.

It's important to be an informed consumer but I know it's hard to keep

up with everything.

Elaine

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Does the banana give the chocolate enough sugar to make it sweet? I may try that tomorrow...1 banana, lowfat milk, and how much cocoa?

Good morning Beth and Y'all

About 1 tablespoon

I use the Hood low carb milk but I'm sure any kind of milk would be fine. The banana mkes it plenty sweet to me.

Hugs

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Hi All: I make my shakes with crushed ice. I have a manual ice crusher and I put a whole ice tray of ice in it and turn the handle and crush it. I put it all in a blender and blend it - the shake comes out really nice and thick and very tasty.Shirley

I have a heavy duty vita-mix blender. It will blend the ice cubes without first crushing them. Sure makes good smoothies.I never use sugar at the table and if I bake cookies - I use whole wheat flour, wheat bran, oat bran and most of the time either brown sugar or molasses for sweetener. ExcellentHave any of you ever used Splenda? It tastes just like sugar to meI use it in iced tea. Shirley from Southern Illinois

We use splenda and/or sweet-n-low.

Use xylitol for cooking

Xylitol Gum, Mints, and Xylitol Sugar Crystals

Have a wonderful day

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Good Morning : Doe's your blender crush the ice really fine? I have tried crush the ice in my blender but it doesn't do a very good job. I don't think I have ever seen a vita-mix blender - where would I find one. I would love one that would do everything at once.

I have a heavy duty vita-mix blender. It will blend the ice cubes without first crushing them. Sure makes good smoothies.

I never use sugar at the table and if I bake cookies - I use whole wheat flour, wheat bran, oat bran and most of the time either brown sugar or molasses for sweetener.

Excellent

I got my recipes in a book called "THE OAT AND WHEAT BRAN HEALTH PLAN" It was written by a fitness instructor (her husband was a doctor). The book is apparently out of print. I tried to get some more copies for my family but couldn't get it. SOOO I typed the whole book of recipes and put it in 3 ring binders for them. It has some excellent recipes for all kinds of cooking and they are really good. I think my favorite cookie recipe is the "chewy gingersnap cookies" they are called BREAKFAST COOKIES. The oatmeal ones are very good also. I don't use butter in the cookies either - I use LIGHT olive oil and believe it or not they turn out really good.

The book was written by Dina R. Jewell & C. Jesell, M.D.

I used to use sweet - n - low but switched to splenda after reading about it.

I hope you ALL have a WONDERFUL day - It is beautiful here - quite balmy though - my wind chimes are really going and I love to hear them - Shirley from Southern Illinois

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Good Morning : Doe's your blender crush the ice really fine? I have tried crush the ice in my blender but it doesn't do a very good job. I don't think I have ever seen a vita-mix blender - where would I find one. I would love one that would do everything at once

It really does the job. Here is a link where you can check it out

Choose the Vita-Mix that's right for you!

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Beth, A little bit of sugar in your tea or coffee surely will not hurt you in any way. The problem is that most people eat way too much sugar. Besides I understand you work or live on a farm, farmers are usually the healthiest people around. Bernd (Munich, Germany)Beth Lackey schrieb: - You are SO right - too much of any sugar...natural or refined is bad. Moderation is the key...and you have so many food corporations pushing sugar coated everything...it's terrible. Kids today don't know what blackberries with milk taste like...or peaches and cream...But I do put sugar in my tea and when I make a pie I do use sugar...but those are limited treats, after much walking or working around the farm. And I

won't tell you about my chocolate habit...I wish I had never heard of chocolate!!! Beth dougpapa@... wrote: Now remember, I'm not a doctor, expert or anything...It's just my opinion and you know, it's absolutely free....but I will always believe sugar was put on earth for our good...we've just misused it. Beth Beth You are right about sugar needed but not the processed sugars. We can get every bit of the sugar we need from fruits, vegetables and grain. Processed sugar does one of to things to everyone that eats it "Everyone". We either spike our blood sugar or our insulin. Both do harm. Natural sugars causes less dramitic spikes. Have a wonderful day.

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Carl, You definitely have not bored me. I know that the average american consumes that amount of sugar and salt. We did a project on nutrition back when I was still in school and they showed us how much sugar is there in for example one soda or one candy bar, maybe you do not even want to know. There are three types of tastes which you can take to an extreme: -sweet -salty -fatty, greasy If you look at an average fast food meal you will see what I mean, they are loaded with sugar, grease and salt.Anyone concerned about their health should limit the intake, remember there is almost always a lot of sugar, salt and fat in highly processed foods. Bernd (Munich, Germany)CARL FRENCH schrieb: Dear Bernd, I am a Health nut from Hamilton Ontario Canada but my friends just call me a nut. I don't know if you are aware that the average North American consumes about 150 lbs of sugar a year and about 50 + lbs of salt. It's no wonder we have so much Diabetes and heart conditions in our country. I unfortunately have a sweet tooth and I also had the opportunity to do a bone marrow transplant about 13 yrs ago. The young lady who I gave the bone marrow to has survived and is relatively healthy but the problem with her is she used to work in a candy factory not far from where we live. Every time we met I was blessed with anywhere from 2- 20 lbs of good stuff that pleased my palate but not my waist line. I don't have a blood sugar problem yet but I have decided to change my diet to prevent any possible occurences of diabetes or heart conditions or cancer. I lost my mother from colon

cancer a little more than a year ago and I don't want to go through what she did even though she passed away at home with most of her loved ones around her. I appologize if I have bored you but I wanted to commend you with your decision to cut back on sugar. tC Carl French Hamilton, Ontario.>>Reply-To: thefatmanwalking_group >To: thefatmanwalking_group >Subject: Re: Re: food processing>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:45:04 +0200 (CEST)>>,> I totally agree with you. White sugar is definitely not good for you. I >only use sugar sparingly, just put some in my coffee. Otherwise if you are >concerned about your health, white sugar and also white flour are not >really good for you. Of course small amounts will not hurt you but most >people eat way

too much of it.>> Bernd>>dougpapa@... schrieb:> > Now remember, I'm not a doctor, expert or anything...It's just my >opinion and you know, it's absolutely free....but I will always believe >sugar was put on earth for our good...we've just misused it. Beth>>> Beth> You are right about sugar needed but not the processed sugars. We can >get every bit of the sugar we need from fruits, vegetables and grain. >Processed sugar does one of to things to everyone that eats it "Everyone". >We either spike our blood sugar or our insulin. Both do harm. Natural >sugars causes less dramitic spikes.> Have a wonderful day.>

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Hi Laurie: I got the manual ice crusher YEARS AGO when I lived in Chicago. I haven't seen one in years. It has two parts the top is like a food grinder where you put the ice cubes and it has a handle on it. The bottom part is where the crushed ice goes. It works really great.

I know what you mean by that ensure drink and amazingly the hospitals seem to push it. When I had my knee replacement surgery in February I was sick for a few days (from the pain medicine probably) I wasn't able to eat very much and they kept bringing me ensure. I didn't care for it.

I wish I could be more helpful with the manual ice crusher. The store where I think I bought it doesn't even exist anymore.

Shirley from Southern Illinois

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i havent found a blender yet that does ice well. my husband was abartender and he said blenders only do the ice machine ice well, notthe big old cubes from the ice tray

Laurie I sent a link earlier to the Vita-mix

I assure you it turns ice cube into smoothies.

It is a bit on the costly side though

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!00% correct ....Never, never injest iodine directly. I did not say that. dougpapa@... wrote: ,In your post part of which is below, the IODINE comment is a bit confusing. What forgot to tell. Is this can be a test as well as a remedy. You apply the iodine. Check the

spot in 24 hours. If the stain is gone it indicates your body needed the iodine. Continue to do this daily until the stain remains for 24 hours. I tried the test because my basil body temperature was to low. The test indicated low thyroid function so I have been taking Iosil every since. Under no circumstances are we to injest regular iodine.

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Dear Friends at Fmwg. , I think I have a way of limiting your sugar

consumption at least on food any way. I found a commercial salt shaker with

a cap on it about 2 " in diameter and I just shake the sugar on my porridge

or cereal in the morning. I have decided to get more grains in my diet

since the loss of my mother to colon cancer and straight oatmeal is rather

blase and tastless. I have also mixed it with 8 or 12 grain cereal,

muesli,corn meal, wheatgerm, quinoa. It is better for me that way but I

still want some flavor and little bit of sugar helps with this. Take care.

Carl from Hamilton

>From: MAGGIMAY88@...

>Reply-To: thefatmanwalking_group

>To: thefatmanwalking_group

>Subject: Re: Re: food processing

>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:07:15 EDT

>

>

>Bill...

>I was given the book, Sugar Blues to read. What an ear opener that was.

>Early settlers (European/Americans) didn't eat sugar originally. It was

>only

>after their discovery of sugar cane. It was stored in barrels at the local

>trading post. They used to give free samples with each purchase/trade. The

> author

>likened it to how drug pushers get people hooked on drugs...by giving free

>samples until the person is hooked. Then they start charging you. The

>author

>considered sugar a drug- saying it gives you a high but when it wears off,

>it

>gives you a low. And just try to get off it. You do suffer withdrawals.

>Just a

>piece of trivia I thought I would share.

>

>Maggie

>

>I think we need to understand why surgar is used by the food makers.

>Obviously to make it taste sweet is one reason, some people like the sweet

>taste.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i havent found a blender yet that does ice well. my husband was a

bartender and he said blenders only do the ice machine ice well, not

the big old cubes from the ice trays.

i'm interested in what the 'manual' ice grinder looks like, i dont

have room for appliances in my kitchen, but it would be nice to

actually be able to grind up ice evenly in drinks.

just saw an Ensure commcerial. how they be allowed to advertise that

stuff as a healthy meal? it's not a meal, it's even artificially

flavored. It's a vitamin with a bunch of sugar and additives.

my grandmother got addicted to the stuff when they started bringing it

for my grandfather when he couldnt eat solid food anymore. she drinks

it as a snack and it's putting her way over her calories, but we cant

get through to her.

laurie

> >

> > Good Morning : Doe's your blender crush the ice really fine? I

> > have tried crush the ice in my blender but it doesn't do a very

good job. I

> > don't think I have ever seen a vita-mix blender - where would I

find one. I

> > would love one that would do everything at once.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's so interesting!CARL FRENCH wrote: Dear Friends at Fmwg. , I think I have a way of limiting your sugar consumption at least on food any way. I found a commercial salt shaker with a cap on it about 2" in diameter and I just shake the sugar on my porridge or cereal in the morning. I have decided to get more grains in my diet since the loss of my mother to colon cancer and straight oatmeal is rather blase and tastless. I have also mixed it with 8 or 12 grain cereal, muesli,corn meal, wheatgerm, quinoa. It is better for me that way but I still want some flavor and little bit of sugar helps with this. Take care. Carl from Hamilton>Reply-To: thefatmanwalking_group >To:

thefatmanwalking_group >Subject: Re: Re: food processing>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:07:15 EDT>>>Bill...>I was given the book, Sugar Blues to read. What an ear opener that was.>Early settlers (European/Americans) didn't eat sugar originally. It was >only>after their discovery of sugar cane. It was stored in barrels at the local>trading post. They used to give free samples with each purchase/trade. The > author>likened it to how drug pushers get people hooked on drugs...by giving free>samples until the person is hooked. Then they start charging you. The >author>considered sugar a drug- saying it gives you a high but when it wears off, >it>gives you a low. And just try to get off it. You do suffer withdrawals. >Just a>piece of trivia I thought I would

share.>>Maggie>>I think we need to understand why surgar is used by the food makers.>Obviously to make it taste sweet is one reason, some people like the sweet >taste.>>>

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-

my husband has a spare meat grinder from the restaurant, i wonder if

it would work? i think most of the pieces are missing, but maybe we

could make a go of it.

laurie

-- In thefatmanwalking_group , sbrown857@... wrote:

>

> Hi Laurie: I got the manual ice crusher YEARS AGO when I lived in

Chicago.

> I haven't seen one in years. It has two parts the top is like a

food grinder

> where you put the ice cubes and it has a handle on it. The bottom

part is

> where the crushed ice goes. It works really great.

>

> I know what you mean by that ensure drink and amazingly the

hospitals seem to

> push it. When I had my knee replacement surgery in February I was

sick for a

> few days (from the pain medicine probably) I wasn't able to eat very

much and

> they kept bringing me ensure. I didn't care for it.

>

> I wish I could be more helpful with the manual ice crusher. The

store where

> I think I bought it doesn't even exist anymore.

>

> Shirley from Southern Illinois

>