Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 , somebody said that we couldn't obtain the porcine from Nutri-med any more, but I know you've been taking it all this time. I'm confused. Can I buy it or can't I? Re: Nutri-med Kam, Because of finances I couldn't get to a doc or get a prescription.. I found Nutri-Meds in July of last year... They offer both the Porcine and the Bovine and after reading how well everyone is doing on Armour I decided to go with the Porcine. I'm not all that nervous about Mad Cow.. if that is what you are wondering.. but given a choice I'd stay away from Bovine.. "an ounce of prevention" and 's Law.. take your pick.... My own thought, other than Armour being porcine, is that pig organs can be used for human transplants... makes me think porcine would be better for us.... Pigs are really smart.. omnivorous... social, protective.. Cows are stupid.. vegetarian... stupid..... I guess I don't want to risk sharing too many traits with cows? hehehehe I'll be curious to hear how your multi-dosing works out.. Mind you, I have no thyroid and have always been very sensitive to meds.. so it might be that my body, as run down as it still is from being without meds for so many years, is just really in need of low frequent dosing to not stress it as it tries to heal.... Did I mention one day last week I forgot to take the pills into the bedroom? I was too lazy to get dressed and come back in here to get them.. figured I'd just make sure to take one just as soon as I finished my morning bathroom run.... ....I ain't never doing that again..didn't sleep well.. woke up a bit sore... reached for my pill out of habit, realized it wasn't there... cussed myself for being forgetful and lazy... swung my feet out of bed... and the truck hit me... just like that....hurting... There is something going on with my bod that wants that dosing.... I have a possible source for Armour some time this summer.. I want to do a comparison.. since my body seems to pick up on changes rather quickly I'd like to compare the two, Armour and Nutri-Med, for strength... I'm looking forward to that test.... Topper ()http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Wed, 21 May 2003 20:30:06 -0500 "Kathleen Magor" writes: Thanks for your response, . I think I wrote you but can't remember if I did, but I was wondering--how did you decide to use the porcine (as opposed to bovine) thyroid from Nutri-med? And why haven't you tried Armour? I'm going to try splitting my Armour into about 4 doses a day instead of 2--I'm impressed by the pain-free results you get from taking part of your thyroid just before sleep and part immediately on awakening. Kam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 , I just got an order a few weeks ago..... I'll check... Okay.. I'm back... the site is not showing that they are out of stock.... They are really good about marking when stuff is not available.. and today they are showing both capsules and tablets in porcine and bovine are currently available. There was some trouble last fall when the FDA was trying to find a way to force Nutri-Meds to not be able to sell hormonals anymore.. they had to revamp the site to meet the new FDA guidelines.... one of which is that they can't do potency comparisons with prescription meds... if they do ANYTHING that remotely compares them FDA will shut them down... they don't want to do that...... They realize that there are a lot folks that are unable to get prescriptions and they are trying really hard to make the products available to those of us without insurance.... I've had some great telephone conversations with their people.. REALLY friendly and helpful! I have to order via snail mail, I don't have access to a credit card... Their shipping department relocated between my second and third orders.. one of their people actually called me on the phone to make sure that I had their new address to make sure that I didnt' get my order in to the post office in town and had it going to the old location. I thought that was awesome! They were having trouble with moving their computers and getting everything set up at the new location and I got a call on a Sunday afternoon.. letting me know that my order had made it okay but there was a delay in getting shipments out due to the computer problems involved with the move.... She called on a Sunday afternoon to let me know what was going on and when the order would ship! Because of the delay I would be out of pills three days before the order would arrive.... but with her call I had warning and I planned on short dosing a bit to be able to have some to take for that three days.... Don't know how she did it.. but she got my order out in time so that it arrived on the day I would have run out... I thought that was incredible customer service! Topper ()http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Thu, 22 May 2003 07:33:57 -0500 " " writes: , somebody said that we couldn't obtain the porcine from Nutri-med any more, but I know you've been taking it all this time. I'm confused. Can I buy it or can't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Hi , I received the porcine from nutrimed three weeks ago, so we still can get it. Hugs, Feisty Re: Nutri-med Kam, Because of finances I couldn't get to a doc or get a prescription.. I found Nutri-Meds in July of last year... They offer both the Porcine and the Bovine and after reading how well everyone is doing on Armour I decided to go with the Porcine. I'm not all that nervous about Mad Cow.. if that is what you are wondering.. but given a choice I'd stay away from Bovine.. "an ounce of prevention" and 's Law.. take your pick.... My own thought, other than Armour being porcine, is that pig organs can be used for human transplants... makes me think porcine would be better for us.... Pigs are really smart.. omnivorous... social, protective.. Cows are stupid.. vegetarian... stupid..... I guess I don't want to risk sharing too many traits with cows? hehehehe I'll be curious to hear how your multi-dosing works out.. Mind you, I have no thyroid and have always been very sensitive to meds.. so it might be that my body, as run down as it still is from being without meds for so many years, is just really in need of low frequent dosing to not stress it as it tries to heal.... Did I mention one day last week I forgot to take the pills into the bedroom? I was too lazy to get dressed and come back in here to get them.. figured I'd just make sure to take one just as soon as I finished my morning bathroom run.... ....I ain't never doing that again..didn't sleep well.. woke up a bit sore... reached for my pill out of habit, realized it wasn't there... cussed myself for being forgetful and lazy... swung my feet out of bed... and the truck hit me... just like that....hurting... There is something going on with my bod that wants that dosing.... I have a possible source for Armour some time this summer.. I want to do a comparison.. since my body seems to pick up on changes rather quickly I'd like to compare the two, Armour and Nutri-Med, for strength... I'm looking forward to that test.... Topper ()http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Wed, 21 May 2003 20:30:06 -0500 "Kathleen Magor" writes: Thanks for your response, . I think I wrote you but can't remember if I did, but I was wondering--how did you decide to use the porcine (as opposed to bovine) thyroid from Nutri-med? And why haven't you tried Armour? I'm going to try splitting my Armour into about 4 doses a day instead of 2--I'm impressed by the pain-free results you get from taking part of your thyroid just before sleep and part immediately on awakening. Kam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 I'm planning on trying this, but I know that I've got to know how to convert that to fit my body needs. That, I don't know how to do. Any advice here before I order? Anything would be appreciated. Re: Nutri-med , I just got an order a few weeks ago..... I'll check... Okay.. I'm back... the site is not showing that they are out of stock.... They are really good about marking when stuff is not available.. and today they are showing both capsules and tablets in porcine and bovine are currently available. There was some trouble last fall when the FDA was trying to find a way to force Nutri-Meds to not be able to sell hormonals anymore.. they had to revamp the site to meet the new FDA guidelines.... one of which is that they can't do potency comparisons with prescription meds... if they do ANYTHING that remotely compares them FDA will shut them down... they don't want to do that...... They realize that there are a lot folks that are unable to get prescriptions and they are trying really hard to make the products available to those of us without insurance.... I've had some great telephone conversations with their people.. REALLY friendly and helpful! I have to order via snail mail, I don't have access to a credit card... Their shipping department relocated between my second and third orders.. one of their people actually called me on the phone to make sure that I had their new address to make sure that I didnt' get my order in to the post office in town and had it going to the old location. I thought that was awesome! They were having trouble with moving their computers and getting everything set up at the new location and I got a call on a Sunday afternoon.. letting me know that my order had made it okay but there was a delay in getting shipments out due to the computer problems involved with the move.... She called on a Sunday afternoon to let me know what was going on and when the order would ship! Because of the delay I would be out of pills three days before the order would arrive.... but with her call I had warning and I planned on short dosing a bit to be able to have some to take for that three days.... Don't know how she did it.. but she got my order out in time so that it arrived on the day I would have run out... I thought that was incredible customer service! Topper ()http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Thu, 22 May 2003 07:33:57 -0500 " " writes: , somebody said that we couldn't obtain the porcine from Nutri-med any more, but I know you've been taking it all this time. I'm confused. Can I buy it or can't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 , The label and information on the site suggest starting out with one table per day under doctor supervision. For those of us that don't have doctor supervision that doesn't help us squat.... I was without meds for a long time and wanted to start out gradually.. I started with a quarter tab, once a day for the first 6 weeks.. that went well so I went to 1/4 tab two times per day for six weeks... that went well.. I continued that way, listening to my body and how it was reacting and increasing by a quarter tab every 6 to 12 weeks... until about Christmas time, I added adrenal supplement (1/4 tab) in late November and then started getting a lot more physical.. because the meds were making me feel so much better I pushed my body harder than it was able to cope and wore myself out really bad.. I considered it a 'crash'. I have no thyroid function. still has thyroid function and she also started with a quarter tab a day... and it has done wonders for her in just three weeks.. I believe she just increased to a second quarter tab a day.... Jump in here with your story, ... I would suggest starting out with a 1/4 tab a day.. they split for me quite will using a single edge razor blade.. uses a pill splitter.. your choice... Watch your body for a few weeks.. see how it reacts.. you can get an even better idea how you are doing by tracking your basals...start now, as you place your order so you have a start/base line to compare to. You want to take your temperature first thing in the morning.. before you do ANYTHING else, including shaking down the thermometer, do that the night before and lay it on your nightstand. If you are hypo your temp will be below normal on waking and closer to normal during the day as you are moving around.. Count your respirations in one minute.. the average person breathes 20 times per minute at rest.. and, last, take your pulse.... normal resting pulse rate is about 70. To give you a comparison.. before I started taking Nutri-Meds I was pretty much out of $ynthroid, taking only 25 mcg on Friday mornings, cause that's all I had, and was nearly out.. my resting pulse was 50, my resting respirations (breath rate) was 10. I wasn't tracking temps then... By the time I was up to 1 1/2 tablets my pulse was up to 65 and breathing was up to 15...When I had my 'crash' my numbers dropped, to 60 and 12... I chose to stop the adrenal supplements and I backed off on the thyroid - dropping to 1 1/4 tabs. It took three months before my body recovered enough to start increasing my thyroid dosages again... I'm now up to 1 3/4 tabs of thyroid and 3/4 tab of adrenal... I've also added selenium to help my T4 to T3 conversions. I should explain.. my crash included extreme muscle fatigue and muscle failure.. I would be walking, here in the house, and my legs would decide that they were too tired and I'd just drop... happened three times.. that told me, with the help of Bev and the gang at the Immune group, that my body was just exhausted and over worked.. I had pushed too hard and just wore it out.. it took a long time to heal and I was very careful about working with stretching exercises, and starting on April fool's, I added light weights. Right now I'm doing pretty good.. and only waiting for finances to be able to increase thyroid even more. My morning temp is just under 98, my pulse is 60 and my respirations are 15. So I know I am still underdosed but as long as I'm careful about not overdoing my body is pretty stable. Sleeping is much better, bowels and digestion is better... What are you taking now, and how much? A big question, why are you choosing to self-medicate? No one can really advise you on what to do.. all we can do is share our experiences so that you can relate to your own circumstances... ultimately you would have to make your own choices. I'll help with any questions that I'm able... Topper ()13 years post RAI, now hypo and self medicating with OTC porcine thyroid http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Thu, 22 May 2003 15:20:26 -0500 " " writes: I'm planning on trying this, but I know that I've got to know how to convert that to fit my body needs. That, I don't know how to do. Any advice here before I order? Anything would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Jan, OOppps.... Nutri-Meds tablets come in one size.. 130 mg... and we had one gal that was on Nutri-Meds that switched to Armour and said that she got the same effect from 1/2 grain of Armour that she got on two tablets of Nutri-Meds.. so we don't know for sure what the comparisons are.. that's one of the reasons I'm trying to get hold of some Armour to be able to compare... Personally.. the way my body is reacting to Nutri-Meds, I'm gonna say that a 130 mg tab is equal to 2 grains of Armour...but that is based on my reaction to 200 mcg of $ynthroid (the med that I used to be on) and how $ynthroid is supposed to compare to Armour. Topper ()http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Thu, 22 May 2003 14:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Jan writes: A one grain (60-65mg) tablet of Nutrimeds porcine should be approximately equivalent to a one grain (60 mg) of Armour. Reduce your T4 med by .075 mg for each grain of porcine thyroid. I don't have a clue on the bovine, except that it contains more T3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 >I have a possible source for Armour some time this summer.. I >want to do a comparison.. since my body seems to pick up on changes >rather quickly I'd like to compare the two, Armour and Nutri-Med, >for strength... I'm looking forward to that test.... Topper, let me know about your comparison on the other group, too, when you do it. Sounds very interesting. I understand the Lowe's in Boulder feel good about Nutri-meds. Janie http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Janie, I think it will be interesting to see how it works out... I went from 1 1/2 tabs to 1 3/4 tabs on Sunday.. not a large percentage of difference... It's made me a bit more tired at night at bed time... I.E. I'm falling a sleep faster... So even that bit of a difference is noticeable in me. (I also added Selenium to help more with my conversions. Went from 100 % RDA to 200%, one dose in the morning, with breakfast, and one dose at night with my other supplements.) On Fri, 23 May 2003 03:41:02 -0000 " loboshe " writes: > Topper, let me know about your comparison on the other group, too, > when you do it. Sounds very interesting. I understand the Lowe's in > > Boulder feel good about Nutri-meds. > > Janie > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 , Personally.. I prefer to err on the side of less not more... Quarter the Nutri-meds and try just the extra quarter for a few weeks and see how your body is reacting... they split pretty easy.. I do mine in quarters... it's easy to add another quarter if you need more.. it's a lot harder to deal with waiting for excesses to work out of your system if you're taking too much... General rule is that the T3 hits you pretty quickly for some a matter of hours.. for others a couple of days.. The T4 can take up to 6 weeks.. it all depends on how YOUR system reacts. Topper ()http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Fri, 23 May 2003 09:55:33 -0500 " " writes: So, if the Nutri-med Porcine comes only in 130 mg tabs, and I ordinarily take 125mcgs of Levoxyl, then, if I take 1/2 tablet of the Nutri-med (60-65 mgs or 1 grain), I should also cut my Levoxyl back to 50 mcgs or .050 mg? Want to make sure I get this right, because it's sort of scary, but I've got to get to feeling better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 Okay, I gotcha---gradually, if any more needed. Re: Nutri-med , Personally.. I prefer to err on the side of less not more... Quarter the Nutri-meds and try just the extra quarter for a few weeks and see how your body is reacting... they split pretty easy.. I do mine in quarters... it's easy to add another quarter if you need more.. it's a lot harder to deal with waiting for excesses to work out of your system if you're taking too much... General rule is that the T3 hits you pretty quickly for some a matter of hours.. for others a couple of days.. The T4 can take up to 6 weeks.. it all depends on how YOUR system reacts. Topper ()http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Fri, 23 May 2003 09:55:33 -0500 " " writes: So, if the Nutri-med Porcine comes only in 130 mg tabs, and I ordinarily take 125mcgs of Levoxyl, then, if I take 1/2 tablet of the Nutri-med (60-65 mgs or 1 grain), I should also cut my Levoxyl back to 50 mcgs or .050 mg? Want to make sure I get this right, because it's sort of scary, but I've got to get to feeling better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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