Guest guest Posted December 30, 1999 Report Share Posted December 30, 1999 Kurt, SC, Mr Mutt and any other numerophiles (my word) around the fire... found this snipped from the Newsletter of Science Fiction & Linguistics most intriguing... .... If all of you are already familiar with *Benford's Law* -- a law " so unexpected that at first many people simply refuse to believe it can be true " -- and haven't mentioned it to me, shame on you. Otherwise, please do read " The power of one, " by s, pages 27-30 of the 7/10/99 *New Scientist.* The Benford in question is physicist Bedford. On page 27: " Using more than 20,000 numbers culled from everything from listings of the drainage areas of rivers to numbers appearing in old magazine articles, Benford showed that they all followed the same basic law: around 30 per cent began with the digit 1, 18 per cent with 2, and so on. " ( " And so on " turns out to end with 4-6 % starting with a 9.) You can use Benford's law to look for fraud in research data. You can use it to check accounts -- think of royalty statements! If the data doesn't conform to the 30% starting with 1, 18% starting with 2, and so on, something's wrong. On page 29: " In a ground-breaking doctoral thesis published in 1992, [Mark] Nigrini showed that many key features of accounts, from sales figures to expenses claims, follow Benford's law -- and that deviations from the law can be quickly detected using standard statistical tests. Nigrini calls the fraud-busting technique 'digital analysis', and its successes are starting to attract interest in the corporate world and beyond. " I'll bet they are; I can also imagine a strong interest arising in ways to keep Benford's law from leaking out to The People. A sidebar on page 30 says: " In a nice little twist, it turns out that the Fibonacci sequence, the Golden Mean and Benford's law are all linked. The ratio of successive terms in a Fibonacci sequence tends toward the golden mean, while the digits of all the numbers making up the Fibonacci sequence tend to conform to Benford's law. " I love this. I'm even willing to put up with being told that Benford's law is the mathematical form of the Distribution Of Distributions, which sounds like only a qualified wizard ought to be allowed to say it. [Fibonacci sequence....just in case, that's every number being the sum of the two numbers before it, as in 1-1-2-3-5-8; as in the seeds on sunflower heads, for example.] There's lots more of this, like the fact that the most common second digit in a batch of non-random numbers is zero and the least common is 9, so that there should be roughly 10 times more that begin with 10 than begin with 99. Thanks to Frances Green for the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Interesting post, Phoebe. The following is from Ron Knott's authoritative pages on the Fibonacci sequence, which, BTW has 2 links to my home pages :^) --- So the question is, why does this all-digits-equally-likely property not apply to the first digits of each of the following: - the Fibonacci numbers, - the Lucas numbers, - populations of countries or towns - sizes of lakes - prices of shares on the Stock Exchange Whether we measure the size of a country or a lake in square kilometres or square miles (or square anything), does not matter - Benford's Law will still apply. So when is a number random? We often meant that we cannot predict the next value. If we toss a coin, we can never predict if it will be Heads or Tails if we give it a reasonably high flip in the air. Similarly, with throwing a dice - " 1 " is as likely as " 6 " . Physical methods such as tossing coins or throwing dice or picking numbered balls from a rotating drum as in Lottery games are always unpredictable. The answer is that the Fibonacci and Lucas Numbers are governed by a Power Law. We have seen that Fib(i) is round(Phi^i/5) and Lucas(i) is round(Phi^i). Dividing by sqrt(5) will merely adjust the scale - which does not matter. Similarly, rounding will not affect the overall distribution of the digits in a large sample. Basically, Fibonacci and Lucas numbers are powers of Phi. Many natural statistics are also governed by a power law - the values are related to B^i for some base value B. Such data would seem to include the sizes of lakes and populations of towns as well as non-natural data such as the collection of prices of stocks and shares at any one time. --- I wouldn't phib to you... --Kurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 << Similarly, rounding will not affect the overall distribution of the digits in a large sample. >> Interesting stuff, Kurt. My first response was: Oh, no! Now I'll have to start imagining a Number-Cruncher with a long white beard (or, heh heh, long white hair and red nails) sitting at the edge of the Cosmos. Smiling here, of course. I've come to the gematria and the study of numbers late, so I am still in the state of amazed excitement about the elegance of it. Never had much commerce with numbers until a part of my brain creaked open and I saw them as a language. And I am still struggling with some of the concepts. I should have seen this a long time ago... about 30 years ago I signed up for MathI at a local college just because I felt I didn't understand mathematics (loved geometry when I was in high school, back in the dark ages)... I remember my euphoria the day I PROVED 2 + 2 = 4. That could have sent me off on this search for meaning. It didn't. Think I got a tour or something and got other-directed. However... I've poured over some of the numbers games you several on the list have posted, saved and savored them. Most of the time without understanding them... but I'm working at it. Happy New Year to all! 01010101010101 phoebe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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