Guest guest Posted July 7, 2001 Report Share Posted July 7, 2001 Greetings klyoung! Based on at least one account of some grains that were discovered in one of the pyramids having lasting for a couple thousand years and still able to germinate I'd say they can last at least a lifetime if they are stored properly. Your idea of using an airtight container should work just fine. Two more suggestions are to place your containers in as cool of a place (like a refrigerator) as you have. You also may want to consider mixing diatomaceous earth in with the grain as a natural agent that will prevent bug infestation. For the details on using d.e. I suggest contacting a natural food store that carries bulk grains. - jembrother@... --- klyoung2424@... wrote: > I have recently gotten a grain mill, and so now I am > thinking about > ordering big bags of grains off the internet since > our store here > only sells tiny bags of kamut and nothing else. > What I am wondering > is how long do grains last? I imagine you'd store > them in airtight > containers and they'd last quite awhile. > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Potatoes and sweet potatoes are tuber (underground stem) veggies. on 8/3/2003 1:42 PM, paultheo2000 at paultheo2000@... wrote: > 2.) For those who eat grains: how would you rank the various grains? > My ranking would be: > > 1.) Corn > 2.) Sweet Potatoes > 3.) Wheat Bran > 4.) Rye > 5.) Oatmeal > 6.) Whole Wheat > 7.) Regular Potatoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 I know potatoes are grains but they act in much the same way so I include them in the question. I included corn for the same reason. " Potatoes and sweet potatoes are tuber (underground stem) veggies. " -Zulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Corn IS a grain. on 8/3/2003 6:24 PM, paultheo2000 at paultheo2000@... wrote: > I know potatoes are grains but they act in much the same way so I > include them in the question. I included corn for the same reason. > > " Potatoes and sweet potatoes are tuber (underground stem) veggies. " > > -Zulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Grains are almost necessary if you do a low fat diet. My choice is corn - less gluten. I once made a cake of ground almonds, eggs. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: paultheo2000 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: [ ] Grains I have a few questions about grains. 1.) Who here eats grains?2.) For those who eat grains: how would you rank the various grains?My ranking would be:1.) Corn2.) Sweet Potatoes3.) Wheat Bran4.) Rye5.) Oatmeal6.) Whole Wheat7.) Regular Potatoes3.) The following article: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htmhas really caught my interest. I'm not saying I believe everything onmercola.com but the arguments there seem sound enough to a layman likemyself. If the theory here is correct it would definitely be a goodidea to cut out as many grains as you can from your diet. It mightalso explain why calorie restriction works--though I'm sure this hasbeen discussed before. 4.) On the rare occasions that I use bread (high fiber, 14 grains,biological) I do so only as a matter of convenience for eating othermore healthful foods. Ex: I don't enjoy eating salmon without somesort of bread. This leads me to my question: is there a way I can bakebread without using grains? Eggs, water, protein powder andflaxmeal/grinded nuts, extra virgin olive oil are all potentialingredients. Would something suched as boiled pumpkin or squash be avalid replacement for grains? Does anyone have a recipe for grainlessbread (sounds like an oxymoron)?Cheers, -Zulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Also it's foolish IMHO to eliminate a whole food group. We just don't know everything yet. Whole Grains contain some elusive nutrients that are hard to get elsewhere (such as Vit E, some zinc, and other trace elements). Grains also help one feel full. Some CR extremists have advocated eliminating grains to keep calories low but proceed with the thought that you never know what goodies you might be missing. Why not be moderate and eat some but less than you would ad lib ? Moderation, moderation, moderation. Also, search our archives for previous discussions about grains, and check the " CRON Checklist for Food Variety " , in our files. Variety, variety, variety. on 8/3/2003 8:31 PM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote: > Grains are almost necessary if you do a low fat diet. My choice is corn - less > gluten. > > I once made a cake of ground almonds, eggs. > > Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 To be honest, I don't see what's ~foolish~ about it if you've got the willpower to do it. When you keep grains in your diet you're necessarily cutting something else (vegetables, for example) which may be far more valuable to your health. Many people here, presumably, almost entirely eliminate sugars and saturated fats. There are however trace minerals in brown sugar, butter, etc. The question is whether these benefits are sufficient too balance the negative side effects. And if the article I read is correct, then grains are really no better than sugars and have the same impact on insulin (and possibly longevity). I've never heard of carbohydrates inducing satiety. The satiety index I've seen ranks most grains as very low. From what I understand satiety is also proportional to volume and grains are quite dense. Not to mention that the impact of grains on insulin may result in a person feeling hungrier not long after they've eaten. I understand the point you're making and I'm a great advocate of variety myself...I simply want to explore whether grains really are as bad as some sources claim. Previous to this I never realized that human beings can survive without ANY carbohydrates. Rejection of grains would certainly make sense from an evolutionary perspective as well. I would not be very surprised if a clean non-grain ad lib diet resulted in the same effects as a CRON diet. I shall definitely do some exploration in the archives. I was primarily interested in finding out if a non-grain bread recipe existed out there. As for me, I don't think I'll ever cut out grains entirely unless it's easily doable. That isn't to say I don't find the possibility fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 I started my own diet to curb HTN out of frustration, and I found the best was like an Ornish Diet. I essentially replicated what Dr Kempner discovered in the 30-40's. The main effect was sodium but allergies to gluten can have an effect, and fats as well. The rice, fruit and ffmilk diet that I started with ahs been expended with steamed veggies but mostly I follow a warlord diet pyramid - first book. Very few meats, egg yolks. And I avoid corn syrup for sure. Secondly, fats/oils are only an alternate form of energy except for a few grams of essential fatty acids which are hard to not get. Low fat is < 30% by def, ornish is <20% sat fat <10%, but tin fact <20 % is not easy. I average about 23%. The almond cake was good - tasted more like brownies. That was in a period I was trying an atkin's diet. Regards, ----- Original Message ----- From: paultheo2000 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:00 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Grains jwwright, Why the low fat diet? On CR you probably can't consume too many fats,but do you consume fats as a low percentage or your daily caloricintake also?Was the almond cake any good?-Zulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Sweet potato probably has highest number of most vitamins of anything there...those I still think of it as a veggie myself. paultheo2000 wrote: I have a few questions about grains. 1.) Who here eats grains? 2.) For those who eat grains: how would you rank the various grains? My ranking would be: 1.) Corn 2.) Sweet Potatoes 3.) Wheat Bran 4.) Rye 5.) Oatmeal 6.) Whole Wheat 7.) Regular Potatoes 3.) The following article: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm has really caught my interest. I'm not saying I believe everything on mercola.com but the arguments there seem sound enough to a layman like myself. If the theory here is correct it would definitely be a good idea to cut out as many grains as you can from your diet. It might also explain why calorie restriction works--though I'm sure this has been discussed before. 4.) On the rare occasions that I use bread (high fiber, 14 grains, biological) I do so only as a matter of convenience for eating other more healthful foods. Ex: I don't enjoy eating salmon without some sort of bread. This leads me to my question: is there a way I can bake bread without using grains? Eggs, water, protein powder and flaxmeal/grinded nuts, extra virgin olive oil are all potential ingredients. Would something suched as boiled pumpkin or squash be a valid replacement for grains? Does anyone have a recipe for grainless bread (sounds like an oxymoron)? Cheers, -Zulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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